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1 hour ago, zArk said:

3 weeks to flatten the curve. Prevent nhs from being overwhelmed

Build nightingale

 

Wtf happened then? 

 

Yes that's a problem, people lose sight of what's important and create arguments about things that don't matter.

 

I'm old fashioned, and in terms of this type of public health matter, the things for me that are important are, are how many people are dying FROM disease, how many people are seriously ill FROM the disease.

 

All this nonsense they have created just caused confusion, like phrases and metrics of people dying WITH covid. Why can't they say from? Because they can't prove causation. How do I know? Because I asked PHE they said they don't have information about causation.

 

So every little thing has to be picked apart. Where as it should be made very simple.

 

It's very frustrating.

 

Then when they lose the argument you will get the total figure thrown at you without any context -  70k deaths, do you not care? - and without any consideration of the deaths directly caused by lock down.

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1 hour ago, SimonTV said:

 

 

Maybe someone can explain what this was all about. I see so many videos that have the visual obfuscated and we just hear audio.  Does anyone have any facts about this video... I hate to gauge something just on guesswork. I hear the child...but what actually is going on?

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1 hour ago, HAARPING_On said:

This little piece of news is interesting....

 

https://www.pbctoday.co.uk/news/hr-skills-news/hospital-building-project/86943/

 

Firstly, where is the money coming from? (Apart from Rishi Sunak’s magic money tree)

 

Secondly , they must be expecting to see a lot of people in hospital in the years leading up to 2030...

 

Why on earth could that be? Are they expecting more “pandemics” perhaps???

 

 

I wonder what 'type' of hospitals... I guess if you're not dying from the vaccine or cold symptoms rebranded and put on a 'respirator' to 'help' you...then you will be taken to a psychiatric hospital for being insane.

 

Either way these new 'institutions' look very sinister to me.

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4 minutes ago, Noctua said:
  • Hancock said people may need to have a coronavirus vaccine every six months. He said:

I anticipate we will probably need to revaccinate because we don’t know the longevity of the protection from these vaccines. We don’t know how frequently it will be, but it might need to be every six months, it might need to be every year.

 

They don't know how long it will last, but they tell us it has been fully tested.  I see that's another reason not to take the vaccine, added to the already long list of reasons not to.

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22 minutes ago, Saved said:

Johnson seamlessly conjoining the NHS and the military. Over to the scientific expert and then over to the Brigadier in full garb.

 

How quickly the escalation towards their intended end game has happened.

 

And the people love it so.

Yip. And often I have heard people say, how could the Germans have been so god dam stupid letting hitler come to power. Ah they were just ill educated in those days it will never happen again!

 

History always repeats.

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Dad ranting to me, telling me to "just go back to your conspiracy theories" because his neighbour is a nurse and told him the hospital intensive care is full of 20-30 year olds with covid.

What a load of shit.

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5 minutes ago, Noctua said:
  • Hancock said people may need to have a coronavirus vaccine every six months. He said:

I anticipate we will probably need to revaccinate because we don’t know the longevity of the protection from these vaccines. We don’t know how frequently it will be, but it might need to be every six months, it might need to be every year.

 

Hell of a statement considering no long term testing has even been considered.

 

 

6 minutes ago, Mr H said:

 

Yes that's a problem, people lose sight of what's important and create arguments about things that don't matter.

 

I'm old fashioned, and in terms of this type of public health matter, the things for me that are important are, are how many people are dying FROM disease, how many people are seriously ill FROM the disease.

 

All this nonsense they have created just caused confusion, like phrases and metrics of people dying WITH covid. Why can't they say from? Because they can't prove causation. How do I know? Because I asked PHE they said they don't have information about causation.

 

So every little thing has to be picked apart. Where as it should be made very simple.

 

It's very frustrating.

 

Then when they lose the argument you will get the total figure thrown at you without any context -  70k deaths, do you not care? - and without any consideration of the deaths directly caused by lock down.

 

Context is the abstraction. Context contains the grain of truth that can be leveraged.

If you remove the context you can see the bare bones of the truth.

 

i.e.  The ONS all cause mortality over 30 years that SimonTV  posted yesterday shows that theres nothing out of the ordinary occurring.

 

If we remove any context of language and meaning an observe what has and is occurring.

We are in prison!

 

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8 minutes ago, greatdayforfreedom said:

I'm just utterly  shocked by James Whale's ignorance and stupidity.  Listen from 1:14:30. 

 

 

 

Disgusting journalism. Attack the narrative not the person. If James wants to believe gov propaganda that's fine, but to insult his guest for a different view, is not fine.

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11 minutes ago, allymisfit said:

Dad ranting to me, telling me to "just go back to your conspiracy theories" because his neighbour is a nurse and told him the hospital intensive care is full of 20-30 year olds with covid.

What a load of shit.

They’ve probably got the flu and are scared out of their minds. That’s probably the case with most of these admissions. 3 years back I had a flu so bad I couldn’t get out of bed at all for a week. Literally was lifeless, thought I was gone.


Still I just saw it off at home and eventually recovered. In a time like this where most of humanity are sadly braindead fools it’s obvious why most would now think that’s COVID. Also the nocebo effect must kick in for a lot too.

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I can see next in line will be the footie.

 

That'll be put on hold and the plebs won't be able to pass the time watching any sport on the box. 

 

All of a sudden, covid is running rampant through elite sport. Funny that.

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3 minutes ago, MKZI said:

They’ve probably got the flu and are scared out of their minds. That’s probably the case with most of these admissions. 3 years back I had a flu so bad I couldn’t get out of bed at all for a week. Literally was lifeless, thought I was gone.


Still I just saw it off at home and eventually recovered. In a time like this where most of humanity are sadly braindead fools it’s obvious why most would now think that’s COVID. Also the nocebo effect must kick in for a lot too.

 

That's exactly what I said to him, but no apparently I am wrong.

 

Wasn't there an article about nurses lying about their hospitals being packed? Are they being bribed? 

I know many nurses who are being silent about it all, afraid to speak out.

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Just had an estate agent come around to sell my house and she was complete truther, knew everything about Bill Gates and Covid fraud and was chatting for a while about how brainwashed everyone is. You guessed it, she doesn't watch TV and thinks the masks wearers are crazy. Was very refreshing to meet someone that knew the truth like that. :)

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5 minutes ago, SimonTV said:

Just had an estate agent come around to sell my house and she was complete truther, knew everything about Bill Gates and Covid fraud and was chatting for a while about how brainwashed everyone is. You guessed it, she doesn't watch TV and thinks the masks wearers are crazy. Was very refreshing to meet someone that knew the truth like that. :)

 

They're out there, for sure.  The cashier at Tesco was the same this morning, going on about how the ambulances are all using their sirens all day every day as they go up and down the dual carriageway, but we have one of the lowest amounts of cases in the country and reckons it's all just fear tactics.  Was even saying how ridiculous it was that everywhere as shut but supermarkets carried on as normal, and that none of the staff have been sick over the winter, and she hadn't been sick at all since last winter despite being a full-time worker.  She was really happy about the increased level of hygiene in the shoppers though, which I had to laugh about.

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2 minutes ago, Saved said:

Finally, the London Nightingale hospital is going to be used - as a vaccination centre.

 

Exactly, these emergency structures have lain vacant all year without being dismantled despite zero use. 

Intent exposed!

 

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59 minutes ago, Noctua said:
  • Hancock said people may need to have a coronavirus vaccine every six months. He said:

I anticipate we will probably need to revaccinate because we don’t know the longevity of the protection from these vaccines. We don’t know how frequently it will be, but it might need to be every six months, it might need to be every year.

 

I thought inoculation was normally permanent, but it seems that is not the case:

 

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/04/how-long-do-vaccines-last-surprising-answers-may-help-protect-people-longer

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10 minutes ago, zarkov said:

 

Exactly, these emergency structures have lain vacant all year without being dismantled despite zero use. 

Intent exposed!

 

From Wikipedia (grand total of people treated there is 54)

 

Occupancy[edit]

During the Easter weekend of 11–12 April, the hospital only had 19 patients because the existing London hospitals had sufficient capacity after increasing their combined intensive care capacity from 770 beds to 1,555.[19]

The number of people in London hospitals for COVID-19 (not just those in intensive care) peaked on 11 April, according to week-on-week change data.[20]

On 21 April, The Guardian reported that staff at the hospital had claimed that the hospital had been "obliged to reject people needing care because it cannot get enough of the nurses usually based in other hospitals to work there".[21] This allegation was rebutted by a Department of Health and Social Care spokesperson, who stated that no coronavirus patients were being refused treatment due to a shortage of staff as the new hospital was to provide overflow capacity if required.[21][22] As of 24 April 41 patients had been treated at the hospital.[23]

On 4 May, it was announced that the hospital would be put 'on standby', after treating 54 patients, as no new COVID-19 patients were expected to be admitted.[24] Operationally, it shut on 15 May, although it is expected that the hospital will remain available for use on a rent-free basis.[25] In December, it was revealed that all the beds and equipment inside the hospital had been removed.[26]

Vaccination centre[edit]

In January 2021, the ExCeL was reconfigured as a COVID-19 vaccination centre.[27]

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5 hours ago, zigzag said:

This photo is laughable at best.

There are no syringes in those syringe drivers either.

 

How many Anabel Sharma's in Leicester can there be?

 

Anabel Sharma

Managing Director

Anabel has been working within the NHS as a Business Manager for over 20 years.  She spent some time working with local PCT's to support failing practices,  and has been a leader of innovation and change. 

She left her GP Partnership in April 2020 and has now joined the ACHE team full time.

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1 hour ago, Mr H said:

70k deaths, do you not care? - and without any consideration of the deaths directly caused by lock down.

 

the ego will always create a polarisation , paranoia will rise and it will seek its own kind in others

 

unfortunately most people when their world is fragmented will prefer to allow the old survivalist to emerge rather than deal with the world as an adult

 

 

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24 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

 

Even if that's not actually true and it's a fake meme, it's not far removed from what they would actually do and it wouldn't surprise me anymore.

 

I can imagine the Sun headline: "Nookie ban in Oz".  

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1 hour ago, MKZI said:

They’ve probably got the flu and are scared out of their minds. That’s probably the case with most of these admissions. 3 years back I had a flu so bad I couldn’t get out of bed at all for a week. Literally was lifeless, thought I was gone.


Still I just saw it off at home and eventually recovered. In a time like this where most of humanity are sadly braindead fools it’s obvious why most would now think that’s COVID. Also the nocebo effect must kick in for a lot too.

I had a virus about then too.  Not usually a person to get colds etc.  but this one hit me sideways.  I must have coughed non-stop for 3 weeks/ 24hrs  and it lingered for around 6 weeks.  I coughed so much in the first fortnight that I got double bloodshot whites to the eyes and hubby had to decamp to the spare room and even then he was awake all night with me hacking away!  Horrible.

 

But I seriously think a lot of these "positives" are winter viruses.  The symptoms (if you have them) are getting pretty blurred now with good ol' winter 'flu and very heavy colds. A chap down the street was tested positive for "covid" and he isolated by going out in his little Boaty-McBoatface fishing boat in the middle of the Solent on New Years Eve!  He's either mad or hard as fuck 🤣  

 

Sadly I do have a friend who definitely has covid and if he survives it will be a miracle.  He is a cancer patient and therefore severely immunosuppressed, became ill and begged to go home on the "virtual ward" scheme but was re-admitted and ended up on a ventilator for 8 days.  Rallied, put on CPAP and then deteriorated again and is now back on ventilator with a last ditch hope of more steroids but his lungs are at 15% and are like concrete. Christ knows what his life will be like IF he survives. ☹️

 

Edit:   Just been out for a fast walk in the fog for my daily "exercise".  Just got home and found out that our pal has gone to a better place.  Thankfully his 3 children (who are grown up) were able to assist him with love on his last earthly journey.  Rest well fella.  😪❤️

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2 hours ago, allymisfit said:

My neighbours started being cold towards us when we refused to clap the last time.

 

We were the only people in the street who didn't give a crap, and I was a carer at the time. It made me feel sick!

 

I won't forget the day at work when the news crew came to film the staff clapping. Ffs was absolutely ridiculous!

"MAKE SURE YOU'RE SOCIAL DISTANCING AND DON'T LET THE RESIDENTS STAND TOGETHER. SPACE EVERYONE OUT!" ,< Managers freaking out, trying to make us look like we were well indoctrinated in the new system, whilst they franticallypaint rainbows everywhere (and left us short staffed on a floor that wasn't on view...but that's a whole different story! And a common one.)

 

The whole thing was so false for image! Really pissed me (and a lot of others) off. 

 

LOCK N LOAD! 🙉

 

 

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