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6 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

He wrote the book that was turned into the 'BladeRunner Film'

(and others.)

BC 

Philip K. Dick? My old physics teacher turned me on to him in my first year at grammar school. He was a sci-fi buff and always had a book open on his desk. The Man in the High Castle was the first one I read. Superb stuff.

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40 minutes ago, Jatta said:

I need my car washed but Boris has closed all the hand car washes, I'm a key worker and need to get to work safely but also have a disability preventing me from washing the car myself. I've driven to my ten nearest petrol stations and they either dont have automatic car washes or they are broken. Thanks Boris. 

Aren't there any local kids that you could pay to do it? Shame they did away with bob-a-job week.

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Bastard!

Covid news – live: No end date for lockdown, Boris Johnson says, as MPs to vote on new restrictions

While Mr Johnson has hinted restrictions could be eased from late February, the legislation allows them to remain in place until the end of March.

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2 hours ago, Mr H said:

 

Yip, I would say it will go on longer than this - the officials are saying they expect future pandemics.

 

People really need to digest this reality and accept it for what it is. Then take action that best suits them and their families for the next 5- 10 years or so. No time for heads in the sand. All the information is out there as to what will happen the next few years - little attempt to hide this.

 

 

 

Just to add to my post, I believe we are a third way through a 3 year transition period, demolishing the economy, society and life as we know it into the new normal.  Time is short to get into the best possible position for the long term.

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The law states that police and PCSOs can break up gatherings outdoors and constables use 'reasonable force' if necessary. 

Local authorities will also keep powers to control public gatherings and specific premises in their areas until July 17, rather than January 17 as previously. 

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38 minutes ago, Noctua said:

The law states that police and PCSOs can break up gatherings outdoors and constables use 'reasonable force' if necessary. 

Local authorities will also keep powers to control public gatherings and specific premises in their areas until July 17, rather than January 17 as previously. 

A PCSO using force? That's a laugh. They'd run a mile if somebody looked at them sideways. I often wondered what happened to park keepers, now I know,. They became PCSOs.

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2 hours ago, Captain Falcon said:

 

Boris didn't close any hand car washes, the frightened, gullible, acquiescent people who own the hand car washes closed them. Boris hasn't closed one shop or business since this whole scam started. 

The government can't lock anyone down, certainly not a whole country, what they can do however is create the conditions through propaganda and bullshit whereby people will lock themselves down. That's the most frustrating thing about this whole mess, we can end this shit by ignoring government "Guidance" and "instruction". The only thing the government have done since March is spout a load of shit. 

 

EXACTLY!  It's difficult to believe that this is the same people who gave the world the Poll Tax Riots, working class radicalism, the Luddites, the Tolpuddle Martyrs and so on.

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2 hours ago, SimonTV said:

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Surely the 2020 figure is nothing remarkable overall when you factor in the population increase? 

 

I do wonder why it drops precipitously around the turn-of-the-century and the decline in deaths continues for about 12 or so years, despite an immigration wave coinciding with that period, then starts going up again in around 2011.  My best guess is that it is down to three factors: ,(i). a positive covariance of historic birth rates with current death rates (in other words, if less babies were born in the late 1920s/early 1930s, this means less deaths in the period those people hit the typical mortality age, which is 2000 to 2010); (ii). lot of older British people started leaving the country in large numbers due to the social effects of Labour government immigration policies, while younger people came in to the country; (iii). at the same time, the Labour government started pumping money into the NHS, which may have meant more survived in hospital.

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1 hour ago, SimonTV said:

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Thanks for that table from SimonTV. I have a similar table (spreadsheet) but cannot seem to get it to fit on here.

My totals only differ very slightly.

The 1998 fig I have is 553,435, the table you provide states 541,589.

The 2019 fig I have is 530,857, the table you provide states 530, 841

Differences (especially for 2019) are insignificant BUT just wondered - perhaps I need to double / triple check.

GOOD to see your table as it helps with the following:

 

My "prediction" that total deaths will be probably around 612,000. I state that figure using monthly totals from ONS for Jan - Nov 2020, then adding my "estimated" total for Dec.  The Dec total is not published until 26th Jan.  I note that the table quoted estimate is lower at 561,529. (An even BETTER number for my argument!)

 

In 1993 (there was a flu epidemic) and the total that year was 578,512.

 

Bearing in mind that the UK population in 1993 was 10,000,000 (10 million) LESS than now then the total of 612,000 is not unexpected.

 

Reason 578,512 (deaths) was 1% of total population in 1993.

1% of the extra 10,000,000 is 100,000 so adding the 100,000 to the 578,512 gives expected value of 678,512.

THAT means THIS YEAR's TOTAL is less than what would be expected for a flu!

 

Population UK in 1993 was 57,602,278.

Population UK in 2020 was 67,886,004 (Farage and others may claim it is even more than that!).

OR

Assume as for 1993 that 1% of total population is to die from "flu" then 1% of 67,886,004 is 678,860. mmm, very close to figure above AND higher than THIS YEAR's expected value of 612,000.

 

Any comments and checks on my arithmetic greatly appreciated BUT CLEARLY we can see from the numbers that there is NO PANDEMIC - yes I know we on here know that!

 

I may be mistaken but I think a similar situation with death numbers also applies to America!

 

 

 

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