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5 minutes ago, zarkov said:

Mans existence does not have to be based on coercion. Information is the key for many - how else do people become ready for positive change?

 

But you have to answer these questions with a good heart and wise reason and with a wide view.  Asking is easy.
Perhaps the answers will not be to your liking, but still inside you ... reason can prevail.
The choice to honest is the only choice we have.
For instance, I am here in this body ... is this coercion?  Perhaps I would like to be 6'5 and a billionaire. Am I coerced?
What about if I have lunch on the menu is chicken and veg.  The chicken doesn't want to die.  The vegetables also don't want to die, why do you think roses have thorns?  So I kill them all and eat them, and my immune system goes to work of mass murder.
Okay ... so who is coerced here?
A much bigger view of the situation is necessary if you want answers.
Who am I anyway, do I even know?
And let alone the Men on this planet do laissez-faire ... what about the Tigers?  Ever seen a tiger killing - they are not stopping much for human rights are they.
In fact ... it is very interesting to engage with what is happening, it is illuminating.
 

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13 minutes ago, zarkov said:

how else do people become ready for positive change

 

thats exactly whats going on. the age of aquarius is upon the world. the new agers are part of the process of change. 

 

the new agers believe it to be positive change

the old agers see their world as worth preserving

 

the common folk stuck in the middle

 

but i do wonder when the star prophesy will be announced

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More on the Orange Vests of Italy:

 

The pandemic does not exist, it’s total bulls–t,” Pappalardo told a rally in Bari on Sunday, Italian news agency ANSA reported. “The coronavirus is not lethal, it only kills the already sick over 80s. Enough with the lies and falsehoods, you have terrified the Italian people,” he reportedly said.

Similar demonstrations were seen in Milan and small rallies in other regional capitals at the weekend. Speaking to a crowd of orange-vested supporters on Tuesday in Rome’s Piazza del Popolo — many of whom were defying a government order to maintain social distancing and to wear masks in busy public spaces — Pappalardo made similar claims, alluding to a high-profile doctor who said at the weekend that the virus “no longer exists clinically.”

“Now virologists also say that this coronavirus is nonsense,” Pappalardo told the crowd as he argued against the use of masks. In addition, Pappalardo called for Italy to return to using its former currency, the lira.
https://tendancecoatesy.wordpress.com/2020/06/03/italys-orange-vests-gilet-arancioni-protest-against-coronavirus-lockdown-measures/

 

on youtube with subs

 

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18 minutes ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

That made me laugh, Zarkov. ?

 

(I just only seem to get 1  or 2 likes to give out every few hours - it's a conspiracy).

 

same here - infamy infamy - even the forums got it infamy ;)

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20 minutes ago, rideforever said:

 

But you have to answer these questions with a good heart and wise reason and with a wide view.  Asking is easy.
Perhaps the answers will not be to your liking, but still inside you ... reason can prevail.
The choice to honest is the only choice we have.
For instance, I am here in this body ... is this coercion?  Perhaps I would like to be 6'5 and a billionaire. Am I coerced?
What about if I have lunch on the menu is chicken and veg.  The chicken doesn't want to die.  The vegetables also don't want to die, why do you think roses have thorns?  So I kill them all and eat them, and my immune system goes to work of mass murder.
Okay ... so who is coerced here?
A much bigger view of the situation is necessary if you want answers.
Who am I anyway, do I even know?
And let alone the Men on this planet do laissez-faire ... what about the Tigers?  Ever seen a tiger killing - they are not stopping much for human rights are they.
In fact ... it is very interesting to engage with what is happening, it is illuminating.
 

 

Why should I or anyone else be coerced to pay taxes (If I dont pay I get coerced through threat of or actual imprisonment or fines) to fund governments spending of billions facilitating arms deals with weapons of death in the name of defense while they project themselves falsely as benevolent or, while they wage war on other nations in the face of mass protest! or create drugs that are deceitfully passed off as the answer to all our ills through pyramidal sales structures using trickery and guile and waged upon the unsuspecting masses!

As with AGW fraud and CV19, deceit is the narrative used to peddle fear. The fear of such threats is coercion foisted on a manipulated mass who seek safety and security, who would lead a rationally balanced life had not a corrupt & tyrannical system beguiled them into acceptance.

 

To passively accept the artificial limitations imposed upon us denies the purpose of life. Each perspective is genuine and valid. Mine, as is Yours.

 

 

 

 

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Ive had a quick skim through the 4hr GAVI vaccine alliance conference today about raising money for GAVI. Some things I notice and would like to share, the first thing I cant ignore is the theme of ‘global’ and ‘centralisation’ which of course is perfect for NWO. One line that was relevant to the theme of things was something about needing ‘quality health services available to all by 2030’, as we know 2030 is a significant year. The other year that seems to have a deadline is 2025. Other things were more than one vaccine was needed, that was from a glasosmithkline representative, obvs after more money. Leaders saying everyone in all countries will need these vaccines. Satan, sorry I mean to bill gates makes an appearance towards the end and says the vaccines will be first for health care workers and the vulnerable, he didn’t actually say anything about mandatory, just those who need it. Maybe he now knows he won’t be able to impose it to the masses. You’ll notice boris Johnson was the big promoter of this conference and donation for GAVI, boris Johnson had a call with bill gates just a couple of weeks ago... overall the usual predictable crap

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1 hour ago, Seeker said:

Ive had a quick skim through the 4hr GAVI vaccine alliance conference today about raising money for GAVI. Some things I notice and would like to share, the first thing I cant ignore is the theme of ‘global’ and ‘centralisation’ which of course is perfect for NWO. One line that was relevant to the theme of things was something about needing ‘quality health services available to all by 2030’, as we know 2030 is a significant year. The other year that seems to have a deadline is 2025. Other things were more than one vaccine was needed, that was from a glasosmithkline representative, obvs after more money. Leaders saying everyone in all countries will need these vaccines. Satan, sorry I mean to bill gates makes an appearance towards the end and says the vaccines will be first for health care workers and the vulnerable, he didn’t actually say anything about mandatory, just those who need it. Maybe he now knows he won’t be able to impose it to the masses. You’ll notice boris Johnson was the big promoter of this conference and donation for GAVI, boris Johnson had a call with bill gates just a couple of weeks ago... overall the usual predictable crap

 

Appreciate you going through the  conference - Funding is an interesting point! 

 

The EU position is becoming  a pertinent issue as could the Euro!

The mere mention of the Lira must be a concern to them (see rideforevers quote below) not being in the direction that the global parasite class want !

It will be interesting to the fallout of this.

The bradbury Pound might also be an interesting proposition! 

Used in 1914

 

 

4 hours ago, rideforever said:

“Now virologists also say that this coronavirus is nonsense,” Pappalardo told the crowd as he argued against the use of masks. In addition, Pappalardo called for Italy to return to using its former currency, the lira.


 

 

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7 hours ago, Sothic said:

 

Of  course they would; but let’s hope this carries on, with more and more people getting on the bandwagon.

 

Though the rioting is such a distraction (not to take away from the harm those fascistic aholes are doing) from the ‘pandemic’ that it’s not going to be easy.

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9 hours ago, zArk said:

 

thats exactly whats going on. the age of aquarius is upon the world. the new agers are part of the process of change. 

 

the new agers believe it to be positive change

the old agers see their world as worth preserving

 

the common folk stuck in the middle

 

but i do wonder when the star prophesy will be announced

So you're callin' me old?

 

Get off my lawn!

 

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13 hours ago, AndyJ said:

I had my first confrontation regarding the bullshit going on in the supermarkets today. There are 3 supermarkets in my area and occasionally my wife has joined me shopping. We have joined the Nazi queuing, understanding we can go in together when two other people exit. Today, Tesco staff said they are no longer accepting two people from the same household into the store at the same time. I just couldn't resist telling the staff member that is a ridiculous policy because what difference does it make when you have a supermarket full of people whether or not there are two people from the same household in there? If everyone is observing the distancing "rules" what the hell is the difference? Just seems nonsensical to me. The weird thing was I categorically stated I wasn't blaming the staff, just expressing my view that the new policy is nonsense. But the staff member went full victim mode and started banging on about "We have families too". I don't know what relevance that had to me pointing out how stupid the new store policy was,  but there we go. I think this is the challenge to overcome when you know what's really going on, trying not to take all this crazy shit personally. I've got to try not to judge these people who just blindly follow the silly "rules" without questioning them but some days are easier to do that than others! 

 

I totally get your point, but the don't disregard or underestimate the people who just blindly follow the silly rules.  They are the people the dictators need to implement their plan.  I am sure the vast majority of the population of Germany, or North Korea, or Japan , or China at various points in history didn't think they were complicit in the horrendous acts against civil liberties.  They were just blindly following the silly rules.

 

 

12 hours ago, KillBill said:

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Aaah, it's a good thing that virus can't get in through the nose.

 

Also - that was a quick marketing turnaround!  Getting that slogan and image on a mask within days!  Impressive.

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35 minutes ago, Noctua said:

Have any of the governments actually read the back of a box of masks??

 

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And if they offer no protection, what benefit does anyone think the various crocheted varieties, home-made sock masks and sanitary towels we've seen adorning peoples' faces are going to give? It's just an avalanche of insanity. 

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10 hours ago, zarkov said:

To passively accept the artificial limitations imposed upon us denies the purpose of life. Each perspective is genuine and valid. Mine, as is Yours.

 

Well ... like I said the animals of this world kill and eat each other all the time ... we do as well.  So it is an inherently violent place.  In fact Earth is a kind of energy system, the plants convert one kind of energy, animals another, and we eat them all and also convert energy  - we need energy to live.

People who talk of being peaceful ... it's mostly bullshit ... because you are protected and appreciate the protection of your ancestors that have created this society - living in the wild is not very easy and the animals will kill you - they aren't like household pets you know.  They don't care, they are just hungry and they have claws and teeth.

So living in a protected place we can forget.

But ... maybe peace-talking-people are feeling something of a higher ilk ... but we are in a mixed world here, we must keep our own claws sharp whilst aiming higher.

Is there corruption, absolutely but that corruption needs to be continuously struggled against in society.  Just like in our own lives when we are lazy or ignorant in our own lives and we have to find a way of straightening the line so we can get the job done.  Lots of work to do.  Rest when you are dead.
And yes there is time to be peaceful, but we are enjoying that peace inside a  protected area and we must honour that and contribute.
Of course there is corruption, and a large part of it is the continuous delusion that life is going to be just fine without Government - that is actually an attack on reality ... just as corrupt as those at the top that wish to take more than their share.

 

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35 minutes ago, theo102 said:

Their value is in reducing the transmission rate when people who are infected wear them.

 

 

But that makes no sense.  A virus doesn't just travel one way.  If it is of no use protecting the wearer from outside air, how can it stop other people from the air the carrier breathes?

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46 minutes ago, Noctua said:

 

But that makes no sense.  A virus doesn't just travel one way.  If it is of no use protecting the wearer from outside air, how can it stop other people from the air the carrier breathes?

 

Because people can contract the virus through their eyes.

 

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Researchers Retract Botched Anti- Hydroxychloroquine Study Which Was Used To Attack Trump

 

An influential study which found anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine raised the risk of cardiac issues has been retracted by its three authors.

 

The study, published on May 22 in the UK's prestegious Lancet medical journal, relied on bogus data from a company called Surgisphere, which would not transfer the full dataset for an independent review, and "can no longer vouch for the veracity of the primary data sources."

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/researchers-retract-botched-anti-hcq-study-which-caused-who-halt-trials

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2 hours ago, rideforever said:

 

Well ... like I said the animals of this world kill and eat each other all the time ... we do as well.  So it is an inherently violent place.  In fact Earth is a kind of energy system, the plants convert one kind of energy, animals another, and we eat them all and also convert energy  - we need energy to live.

People who talk of being peaceful ... it's mostly bullshit ... because you are protected and appreciate the protection of your ancestors that have created this society - living in the wild is not very easy and the animals will kill you - they aren't like household pets you know.  They don't care, they are just hungry and they have claws and teeth.

So living in a protected place we can forget.

But ... maybe peace-talking-people are feeling something of a higher ilk ... but we are in a mixed world here, we must keep our own claws sharp whilst aiming higher.

Is there corruption, absolutely but that corruption needs to be continuously struggled against in society.  Just like in our own lives when we are lazy or ignorant in our own lives and we have to find a way of straightening the line so we can get the job done.  Lots of work to do.  Rest when you are dead.
And yes there is time to be peaceful, but we are enjoying that peace inside a  protected area and we must honour that and contribute.
Of course there is corruption, and a large part of it is the continuous delusion that life is going to be just fine without Government - that is actually an attack on reality ... just as corrupt as those at the top that wish to take more than their share.

 

 

I think everyone here comprehends the nature of this reality, the struggle for life  and,  that war is being levelled against us through the vessel of government. Government is the vessel for corruption. The practical considerations of Government could be fulfilled without their involvement. If so it might then be labelled as something else. Government is a state of mind;   The art of war (Sun Tzu)  exemplifies the practical enactments that have and are being directed at us in myriad of forms. Government  therefore is war.

It is no delusion that life would be fine without war!  War is antithetical to life. Ergo - Government is antithetical to life.

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