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13 minutes ago, Nemuri Kyoshiro said:

 

That's what they do in prison. They call it 'pruno'. I made one of those kit beers years ago. Came in a big tin. Wasn't too bad as it happens.

I get beer from Wilko. Woodford Wherry, same as they sell in some of the shitty wetherspoons. I get the wine online, Solomon Grundy or beaverdale kits. Works out around a quid a bottle. If I drink 3 quids worth I can't remember going to bed and wake up extremely dry 😂

 

Certainly is a good hobby, but it's a slippery slope of you don't take it easy!

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You wont believe this.   I just went down Lidls to get some steak.   Security guard calls me out as I walk past & I ignore him. Gets my steak walks to the credit only till

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1 minute ago, allymisfit said:

 

I remember just a few years ago they were saying it was completely pointless and you're better off just washing your hands. It actually causes more problems that it apparently prevents!

 

My old place of work never had them. The manager hated the stuff. 

Now with the crap going on, it's installed everywhere.

 

My first job (in a print shop) was mucky and they used to supply Swarfega for hand washing. That stuff would get anything off your hands and leave them nice and soft.

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1 minute ago, Martin1234 said:

I get beer from Wilko. Woodford Wherry, same as they sell in some of the shitty wetherspoons. I get the wine online, Solomon Grundy or beaverdale kits. Works out around a quid a bottle. If I drink 3 quids worth I can't remember going to bed and wake up extremely dry 😂

 

Certainly is a good hobby, but it's a slippery slope of you don't take it easy!

 

Mine was from Boots. Tasted like paint stripper. Perfect student grog that was.

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5 minutes ago, Nemuri Kyoshiro said:

My first job (in a print shop) was mucky and they used to supply Swarfega for hand washing. That stuff would get anything off your hands and leave them nice and soft.

 

Economy thinners. Bring tears to your eyes if you had any nicks or cuts, but the best hand cleaner imaginable. Nothing could survive that.

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7 minutes ago, Nemuri Kyoshiro said:

My first job (in a print shop) was mucky and they used to supply Swarfega for hand washing. That stuff would get anything off your hands and leave them nice and soft.

 Left school in 1976, first job was in a small engineering firm. I remember Swarfega, bright green it was, brilliant stuff. I also remember how we would not take being dictated to by any one, not to this extent. I am sure we were made of tougher stuff back then, had minds of our own and not afraid to speak out. I am not saying we should go back to the way things were then. Rubbish piling up in the streets because the bin men were on strike. Power cuts due to electricians being on strike at the power stations. Dont think we would have taken all this covid bull shit then.

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1 minute ago, banjo dog said:

 Left school in 1976, first job was in a small engineering firm. I remember Swarfega, bright green it was, brilliant stuff. I also remember how we would not take being dictated to by any one, not to this extent. I am sure we were made of tougher stuff back then, had minds of our own and not afraid to speak out. I am not saying we should go back to the way things were then. Rubbish piling up in the streets because the bin men were on strike. Power cuts due to electricians being on strike at the power stations. Dont think we would have taken all this covid bull shit then.

 

I do hear this a lot, that people were more mentally robust in the olden days. This implies that the younger people today are not. But the older people gave birth too and brought up this younger generation. So what happened here? Why didn't the mental toughness or resilience get taught to the children?

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2 minutes ago, banjo dog said:

Only applies to the sheep

 

Yes!  And also doesn't apply to the actors, dancers and footballers...

 

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Some of these businesses and places will also be permitted to be open for a small number of exempt activities. A full list of exemptions can be found in the guidance on closing certain businesses and venues in England, but includes:

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  • for elite sports persons to train and compete (in indoor and outdoor sports facilities), and professional dancers and choreographers to work (in fitness and dance studios)
  • for the purposes of film and TV filming

 

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3 minutes ago, banjo dog said:

 Left school in 1976, first job was in a small engineering firm. I remember Swarfega, bright green it was, brilliant stuff. I also remember how we would not take being dictated to by any one, not to this extent. I am sure we were made of tougher stuff back then, had minds of our own and not afraid to speak out. I am not saying we should go back to the way things were then. Rubbish piling up in the streets because the bin men were on strike. Power cuts due to electricians being on strike at the power stations. Dont think we would have taken all this covid bull shit then.

Remember the firemen's strike? We had the army stationed nearby with their Green Goddesses. The locals would go out and take the squaddies tea and cakes. I remember the three-day week. I was in my first year at college and the heat was hardly ever on. We rigged up a propane stove and a couple of Tilly lamps to stay warm and to heat food which was mostly beans or tomato soup. And you're right. We would have taken to the streets in force if they'd tried this shit back then.

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Just now, Mr H said:

 

I do hear this a lot, that people were more mentally robust in the olden days. This implies that the younger people today are not. But the older people gave birth too and brought up this younger generation. So what happened here? Why didn't the mental toughness or resilience get taught to the children?

The mental toughness and resilience has gone from a lot of people my age, not just the young. People of all ages seem more docile and unable to think for them selves. if it's due to crap being sprayed on crops, chem trails, fluoride in water and a load more chemicals dumbing us down, I have no idea why it has worked so well on so many. I am not claiming to be more intelligent than others, far from it. Human society has changed and not always for the betterment of society. This is a subject that can be debated for many hours and is going off topic. Many apologies.

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5 minutes ago, Mr H said:

 

I do hear this a lot, that people were more mentally robust in the olden days. This implies that the younger people today are not. But the older people gave birth too and brought up this younger generation. So what happened here? Why didn't the mental toughness or resilience get taught to the children?

Good question. I did not endure the privations my parents suffered in WWII, and they didn't suffer the privations of their parents in WWI. So no, I am nowhere near as tough as my granddad was mentally or physically. But my parents always said they wanted us to have a better life than they did, and, to a large extent, they succeeded. They did not spoil us but we had more than they ever did when they were kids. And so it goes.

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Just now, banjo dog said:

The mental toughness and resilience has gone from a lot of people my age, not just the young. People of all ages seem more docile and unable to think for them selves. if it's due to crap being sprayed on crops, chem trails, fluoride in water and a load more chemicals dumbing us down, I have no idea why it has worked so well on so many. I am not claiming to be more intelligent than others, far from it. Human society has changed and not always for the betterment of society. This is a subject that can be debated for many hours and is going off topic. Many apologies.

This too. Good points.

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12 minutes ago, Noctua said:

Shops are going to be mental tomorrow.  From what I have read, summer exams are also unlikely to go ahead.  That's two years in a row that kids will be graded either on mock exams or their teacher's opinion of them.

 

 A re-run of panic buying of toilet rolls again?

 

 

 

 

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One thing I noticed last time is that all the people with warehouse jobs, supermarket jobs etc we’re proud to be key workers. I think their pride could be wearing off now!  I don’t think anyone is going to comply with this. Except for the very fearful few.  It’s our job to wind them up. 

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It seems to me the situation we have is the majority of people believe what I would call a global religion. That includes politicians. I suspect that, yes, there are new strains of flu but my actual position is people are acting through the influence of mass, group hysteria. I imagine the number of people exploiting the hysteria is much smaller. That is, I think we have a kind of mass, social breakdown. Very similar to the 15th century witch mania.
What really worries me I think is the how and why. For the last decade I've suspected something was going very wrong in society. Definite slides in democratic values. Lies over Iraq. Lack of accountability in politics. A slump in education. Dependence upon social media and a seeming alienation from science. Put simple, regression. Point is, if society loses respect for law and social rights, slides in education - we wind up like Russia in 1905. I mean, how many journalists are out there challenging the accepted narrative?
Course of action? Well, for sure current policy can't deliver in the long term. I imagine reality will eventually bite. In fact, there's a lesson from history. When Lenin came to power in 1917, he tried to choke capitalism by preventing commerce and trade. It was textbook Marx but it didn't work. The country started to collapse. Lenin had to backtrack. I suppose in our latter day case, these extremist policies will fail to sustain a functional system. And possibly some countries will abandon the currrent course.

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Watching a film on dvd based on a true story. A group of USSR gulag prisoners escape from a Siberian camp. They go during a full blizzard so the guards can't see them. Straight through the woods and onwards by foot to Mongolia. Point? There were some tough people back then. Real endurance. Also the film Alive is an eye opener. That's when the Uruguayan airplane crashes in the Andes. Survivors had to battle extreme cold and hunger.

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Yeah I read the long walk, sounds very similar. I also enjoyed reading 27 hours (not seen film) and one of my fave books of all time, into the wild - my fave quote being

 

"“So many people live within unhappy circumstances and yet will not take the initiative to change their situation because they are conditioned to a life of security, conformity, and conservatism, all of which may appear to give one peace of mind, but in reality nothing is more damaging to the adventurous spirit within a man than a secure future. The very basic core of a man's living spirit is his passion for adventure. The joy of life comes from our encounters with new experiences and hence there is no greater joy than to have an endlessly changing horizon, for each day to have a new and different sun.”
 Christopher McCandless

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25 minutes ago, Nemuri Kyoshiro said:

It may come to that. Seriously. I can't see them even relinquishing control unless it is by force.

 

They need majority compliance. Honestly the further into this we get I am becoming more and more optimistic. The whole thing is just a farce now, their own incompetence will ruin them. Many many people are sick of this, but the "sheep" are hanging on to the idea they will vaccinate granny and normal life will resume. Once they can no longer believe in that slowly but surely the penny will finally begin to drop.

 

We have to be patient, the pushback will come once people are ready. Unfortunately things may get quite a bit worse before that point but massive cracks are beginning to show in this charade. We need to stop being scared and start laughing at them. These "elites" are nothing but a bunch of clowns.

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