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You wont believe this.   I just went down Lidls to get some steak.   Security guard calls me out as I walk past & I ignore him. Gets my steak walks to the credit only till

Some images of today's demonstration in London (not taken by me personally).                

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1 minute ago, alexa said:

 

I wonder why, maybe it destroys the effect of the vaccine. 

This will be the next thing they will banning.

Yes I can see all the alcohol in supermarkets covered up and taped off , but I hope they don't , I like to chill out with some Italian beer 🍺 now and then .

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23 minutes ago, SimonTV said:

Arizona Mother Arrested After Beating Her COVID-Positive Children for Not Wearing Masks at Home

 

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/arizona-mother-arrested-beating-covid-positive-children-not-wearing-masks-home/

 

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King James Bible Matthew 18-6
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

 

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5 minutes ago, Sexpistol50 said:

Yes I can see all the alcohol in supermarkets covered up and taped off , but I hope they don't , I like to chill out with some Italian beer 🍺 now and then .

 

I enjoy an occassional beer, but I shall be stashing a large bottle of Glenlivet, for medicinal purposes, just in case....

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2 minutes ago, Velma said:

I enjoy an occassional beer, but I shall be stashing a large bottle of Glenlivet, for medicinal purposes, just in case....

 

This is my excuse, go use your own 🍹😅

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On 12/29/2020 at 3:36 PM, Mitochondrial Eve said:

 

 

The notifiable disease figures concerning Covid-19 are very interesting but is only part of the story. There are also corresponding reports for notifiable organisms which includes SARS-CoV-2.

 

The notifiable disease reports show that only minimal cases of Covid-19 have been reported since it became notifiable at the beginning of March 2020.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/notifiable-diseases-weekly-reports-for-2020

 

I have been through all the weekly reports and manually totalled up all the Covid cases from w/e 8th March 2020 when it started to enter the figures. I have arrived at a figure of 13,789 (to week 51) which is hopefully correct.

 

This suggests that the numbers of cases notified to local Health Protection Teams are significantly lower than the case numbers being announced. The case numbers on the Covid-19 dashboard currently stand at 2,329,730.

 

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases

 

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The numbers of notified cases are also lower even than death rates from Covid-19 which currently stand between 70,000 to 80,000.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

 

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However, there are reports also for notifiable organisms / causative agents which is where the SARS-CoV-2 figures can be found which are far higher - typically in the thousands or tens of thousands per week.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/notifiable-diseases-causative-agents-report-for-2020

 

The more recent SARS-CoV-2 reports are broken down into a lot of different categories so I haven't gone through each one and totalled them up like I did with Covid-19. I think it is enough to see, at a glance, that there are huge numbers involved.

 

In light of the above, I think the reports raise questions:

 

  • The criteria for reporting Covid-19 has a bar set very low - even if the disease is merely suspected rather than confirmed by laboratory testing, it should be reported. Does it therefore necessitate symptomatic cases?

  • What is the explanation as to why the instances of Covid-19 being reported as a notifiable disease differ so hugely from the numbers of cases stated on the Covid-19 dashboard?

  • Do these reports suggest that, whilst SARS-CoV-2 is deemed to be very prevalent, this doesn't necessarily translate into Covid-19 (the disease)?

 

I expect that the authorities will assert that the numbers being reported on the coronavirus dashboard equate with the SARS-CoV-2 numbers rather than (or combined with) the Covid-19 numbers. However, the dashboard is very clear that the cases being reported are for Covid-19 (as per the screenshots above) so this cannot be an adequate explanation.

 

Whilst the SARS-CoV-2 reports are likely where the numbers are coming from, it does raise questions as to whether the authorities and mainstream media are conflating (deliberately or otherwise) the organism which is alleged to cause the disease with the disease itself. It also raises questions as to whether SARS-CoV-2 even causes Covid-19 if 2,329,730 have tested positive for the organism whilst only 13,789 (0.59%) have the disease.

 

 

I am quoting myself but UK Column reported today on the notifiable disease reports (NOIDS). They contacted Public Health England for an explanation of the discrepancy between the Covid-19 figures in the reports and those being reported on the coronavirus dashboard.

 

There is a statutory duty for registered medical practitioners to "notify their Local Authority or Local Health Protection Team of suspected cases of certain infectious diseases". So the reply UK Column received from Public Health England was rather unconvincing.

 

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Covid-19 cases are identified through more than one route, which reduces the reliance on a single system of clinical notification. NOIDS reports are simply one (relatively minor) route for clinicians to report suspected cases of Covid-19, which may or may not be subsequently confirmed.

 

If something is considered a statutory duty, it is not optional and certainly cannot, in my view, be described as "relatively minor".

 

My MP, a few weeks ago, gave me a similar response when I queried the NOIDS reports with him. He waved away my concerns and said that he assumed that Covid-19 cases were being dealt with "outside of the usual channels". He refused to look into the matter any further.

 

I still maintain that they must be claiming all the SARS-CoV-2 cases as Covid-19 cases and ignoring the distinction between the two - the (alleged) organism as oppose to the disease - the latter of which I suspect must necessitate symptoms whereas the former does not.

 

Here is today's UK Column's report from today. The broadcast starts to cover the NOIDS reports from around 42:50.

 

 

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27 minutes ago, alexa said:

 

I wonder why, maybe it destroys the effect of the vaccine. 

This will be the next thing they will banning.

 

Then it will have to be down to the garden shed to make some strong home brew.

 

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3 hours ago, Sit down, Waldo said:

A glance online tells me around 500k people die in the UK each year.

 

Forgive the rounded figures & quick man maths, but if the population's around 70m & life expectancy is 70-odd, this figure doesn't seem quite right.

 

Am I missing something?

 

 

Some estimate that around 59 million people die each year — an average of 2 people every second.

On average, more than 160,000 people die every day.

Every 102 seconds, someone dies in the war.

▪ Every 61 seconds, someone dies at the hands of murderers.

▪ Every 39 seconds someone commits suicide.

▪ Every 26 seconds someone dies in a car accident.

▪ Every 3 seconds someone dies due to hunger.

▪ Every 3 seconds a child under 5 years of age dies.

 

I'll leave you do the math's on how many die in the UK, math's was never one of my strongest points. 🤔

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2 hours ago, Clubsandwich said:

Are there any countries that have escaped the madness? What’s Belarus saying - I would definitely consider a relocation.

 

ANTARCTICA🥶

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1 minute ago, Mr H said:

Wow this press conference is beyond belief! Are folks really going to suck this up?

I don't watch em, what's going down? Are they sending the drones out? Robo dogs? How are they going to track our comings and goings? 

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1 minute ago, Morpheus said:

I don't watch em, what's going down? Are they sending the drones out? Robo dogs? How are they going to track our comings and goings? 

 

He wants us all to stay inside our houses, 1 hr outside. He implied that at least till end of feb - but I doubt that very much. What a complete tool. 

 

Funniest part is it's going to be made law by first thing tomorrow morning, but then the MPs get their say after it's already been made law later in the afternoon! Ol Swayne will love that

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16 minutes ago, alexa said:

 

Some estimate that around 59 million people die each year — an average of 2 people every second.

On average, more than 160,000 people die every day.

Every 102 seconds, someone dies in the war.

▪ Every 61 seconds, someone dies at the hands of murderers.

▪ Every 39 seconds someone commits suicide.

▪ Every 26 seconds someone dies in a car accident.

▪ Every 3 seconds someone dies due to hunger.

▪ Every 3 seconds a child under 5 years of age dies.

 

I'll leave you do the math's on how many die in the UK, math's was never one of my strongest points. 🤔

The Office for National Statistics is the place to find stats on deaths. ONS figures showed an average daily death figure in England and Wales to be approx 1500 people (pre covid at least). Haven't looked at the current figures. Be interesting to see by how much the daily figure has changed and how the ONS are defining those deaths...

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I don't see the point in having these "Downing Street Press Conferences" if the media have pretty much spelled out what is going to be said beforehand in their 'build-up'.

 

It's almost like everything is running off a 'script'...

 

 

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1 minute ago, Mr H said:

 

He wants us all to stay inside our houses, 1 hr outside. He implied that at least till end of feb - but I doubt that very much. What a complete tool. 

 

Funniest part is it's going to be made law by first thing tomorrow morning, but then the MPs get their say after it's already been made law later in the afternoon! Ol Swayne will love that

1 hour outside? Are they fuckin mental? Don't answer that. Not sure of we do stay inside how they'll find the numbers to keep us locked up. Gobshites.  

 

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