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50 minutes ago, Noctua said:

Regarding the analysis of the evidence base – the report is overly optimistic about the value of face coverings

lol 

 

overly optimistic  

 

hes so polite and professional 

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The masks everyone is wearing do not even stop viruses, they're designed to stop bacteria.  Even if Corona/Covid is real, it is not a bacteria, it's a virus.  Those medical masks Doctors and Nurses wear in hospitals are the same thing, they're only designed to stop bacteria. 

 

Doctors and nurses know this, but they are not being given a voice and are instead being censored.

 

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2 hours ago, rideforever said:

 

Okay but who will keep such Principles in place?
Say there is a group of people who wish to do evil and co-operate to do so, who will stand up to them ?
And who will be responsible for nuclear waste disposal ... most people would simply forget about it as it is "far away" ... but if it goes off it is not far away from anyone ?  How is that dealt with ?

 

 

That would be why people should read it.

Once the moral ideal settles in the mind, is understood then the answers can be worked out.

It then becomes clear that everyone would be responsible for themselves and treat each other as they wish to be treated. We all would keep moral principles in place. Those who behave immorally would be shunned or not dealt with - they would separate themselves from a society that bases itself on moral principle!

True education and moral comprehension has been sidelined in favour of obedience training and not thinking independantly.

Ultimately why would we not all stand up to any form of oppression, That is our right, the right that life bestows - most don't do that now because we have all be programmed to obey, & conform to tyranny!

There is also no reason why many small competing private security firms could not be created by people to do what they are supposed to do now but for the protection of all rather than for the protection of tyrants. Each would keep each other in check as is the true nature of competition and competing would imply negation of monopolisation.

It isn't perfect but not discussing and getting involved or exploring it as a viable alternative will not progress the pragmatics further!

Peoples jobs might be similar to that of today - who knows how the social and economic landscape would change if tyranny were to be removed from the equation!

Waste disposal would be ideally organised with those of sufficient expertise to deal with it. roads would be built by road-builders etc Just no requirement for government. At worst a minarchy might be a good starting point because people are easily frightened by the unknown, but as Larken Rose points out this is always a step in the wrong direction towards control.

I take it you haven't read the book?

 

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Just wear one of these. Kids will love you. :classic_laugh:

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OR this...

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They are kindly upsaling a pair of ears to go with it as well.

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I've seen people wearing a surgical mask on their elbow, have you?

I think it's called elbow mask.

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Communities used to take care of their own unfortunate through a myriad of local charities, and this system worked well for many generations.  The Great Depression was used as a Problem->Reaction->Solution pretext to regulate local charities out of business in favour of govt controlled "programs".   When I was a kid back in the 60's, both of the hospitals in my town ran their own free health clinics for poor people, which were staffed by off-duty doctors and nurses, with supplies donated by charities and hospitals.  The corporations lobbied to have this system regulated out of existence and replaced with private insurance and medicare, both of which have been responsible for sending health care prices spiralling through the stratosphere.

 

Before the govt got involved, as a proxy for big business, my mother paid for my routine doctor visits by writing a check or paying cash.  Once big business took over and govt got involved, even routine doctor visits have become so expensive that insurance is needed just to pay for a 10 minute visit.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Orange Alert said:
1 hour ago, Noctua said:

 

 

 What's the legal definition of a face covering?  A scarf?

 

Dark sunglasses mask my face partially

I may destroy my wifes stockings and go full bankrobber - the statists would respect that ;)

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1 hour ago, motleyhoo said:

This is all being done for psychological purposes to give the appearance that there's actually a pandemic when it is really all fake.  To counter the psy-op, everyone must wear their mask with a hole cut in the middle of it, so all the "believers" will get that psychological visual cue that the whole thing is stupid.  If the people wearing masks with holes are not getting sick, it will be obvious no virus is spreading around.

 

ive been asking at local schools if any keyworker children or parents have gotten covid19 and if any spread through schools has occurred

 

not 1 occurrance

 

after 9 weeks no spread of covid19. no isolating keyworkers

 

additionally only 1 of my work mates was off with illness, 2 days later back at work and no spread. 9 weeks 30 of us, each in contact with thousands of boxes and packets mostly from xhina and only 1 incidence

 

nowt in news about keyworker children in school being ill  and what about couriers and supermarket workers

 

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24 minutes ago, chocomel said:

Just wear one of these. Kids will love you. :classic_laugh:

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OR this...

51BrEoxaLTL._AC_UL115_.jpg

They are kindly upsaling a pair of ears to go with it as well.

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I've seen people wearing a surgical mask on their elbow, have you?

I think it's called elbow mask.

That's not a bad subversion - oh my, Thatcher masks, Blair, saddam, donald, boris (the cunt), dawkins, ferguson, queen liz(ard), andy, epstein, ha ha ha!

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47 minutes ago, zarkov said:

Ultimately why would we not all stand up to any form of oppression

 

Reality is reality, you know.  It is what it actually is whether it is convenient for you or not.
It is what it is.
Many people have utopian ideas and they say "why wouldn't it work" ... as if surprised or something.
But the answer is very obvious.
It is not done because it cannot be done, because it doesn't work, because we are not ready.
Period.
Anyone can dream up world peace or ... whatever ... whatever dream you have, it just pops in your mind.
But in the real world things are not like that.  It rains sometimes.
Sometimes you fail and fall on your face because there are many things you don't know.
It's really strange when people dream up a utopia and think they are just going to deploy it on this world, as if this whole world is like a canvas that you personally are going to decide about.
Like it's all about you and your own dream.
Rather than a shared space for countless people and other creatures.
Rather than a place for all of life, rather than some place for your ideas only.
It is what it is.  You are where you are.
And so on ...

 

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1 hour ago, eddy64 said:

 

 

its all psychological manipulation to make people go back to work by giving them a mask 'crutch' to lean on when they're hesitant to use a bus or train.

 

I think that is good point you raise. From your observations are people that frightened?  

 

My view is that the government want to continue the state of emergency which is hightened by the need to make your mask at home, creating the illusion that things are on a knife edge and if you buy a mask the hosiptals will be without, like hospitals don't have priority nor get direct supply from the manufacturers. You would think the NHS has to go to B&Q or Screwfix to buy masks.  My local hardware shop in Italy got a new stock of 3M masks in this week and they are made in the UK. There is no shortage of surgical masks here, they can be bought in the supermarkets and the local council gives them away for free.

 

Commuters are going to find wearing masks stifling in the Summer months and the deep level tube lines in London will be even more unpleasent to travel on.  The rule to wear masks on public transport will be another inconvenience to make people more eager to get the vaccination when it comes.

 

 

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27 minutes ago, rideforever said:

 

Reality is reality, you know.  It is what it actually is whether it is convenient for you or not.
It is what it is.
Many people have utopian ideas and they say "why wouldn't it work" ... as if surprised or something.
But the answer is very obvious.
It is not done because it cannot be done, because it doesn't work, because we are not ready.
Period.
Anyone can dream up world peace or ... whatever ... whatever dream you have, it just pops in your mind.
But in the real world things are not like that.  It rains sometimes.
Sometimes you fail and fall on your face because there are many things you don't know.
It's really strange when people dream up a utopia and think they are just going to deploy it on this world, as if this whole world is like a canvas that you personally are going to decide about.
Like it's all about you and your own dream.
Rather than a shared space for countless people and other creatures.
Rather than a place for all of life, rather than some place for your ideas only.
It is what it is.  You are where you are.
And so on ...

 

 

I can agree somewhat with your demeanor - but as long as life exists then there is always hope, because life and morality are synonymous.

Laissez-faire  or voluntaryism or other variants of libertarianism are far from Utopian   - it simply removes or relegates the psychopaths from power - authoritarianism is an immoral act in itself and therefore illegitimate but this unfortunately is what governance is based on.

Not accepting the current state of societies mechanisms is not a utopian thought process it merely recognises the benefit of other approaches  such as libertarianism.

No mention of world peace here  nor idealism. Everything  worthwhile is hard work of that I have no doubt.

Mans existence does not have to be based on coercion. Information is the key for many - how else do people become ready for positive change?

 

 

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42 minutes ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

I'm not wearing the mask without the rest of the costume. 

 

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Ijust want a light sabre to go with my shopping trolley that flashes green then amber and red to confuse the covidista .

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