Coronavirus Mega-Thread.

[motleyhoo]

18 hours ago, Given To Fly said:

 

here the 'revolutionaries' are hook, line and sinker.

even though this graffiti is by irish republican marxists (RSYM are the youth wing of the IRSP/INLA) they are normally anti-mainstream and critical as fuck over everything ... except this. it's cringe.

 

 

That's the hypocrisy of uneducated "revolutionaries".  When there's no crisis they're telling you the govt is all liars ad criminals and needs to be overthrown.  As soon as there's a crisis they're beating up anyone who doesn't follow the govt's instructions and calling everyone not going along "dangerous to society".

 

Just look at Hollywood.  They've been telling us for 4 years that Trump and all of his staff are fascist nazi white supremecy lying thugs.  Now they're attacking anyone who does not believe the Pandemic message being put out by the same people they told us before were the liars.  There should be a new Psychiatric disease named for these people.

 

 

[Noctua]

1 hour ago, chocomel said:

 

Can you imagine, if we had to wear one of those and go to a protest....it'll be buzzing like crazy.

 

Good point - it should be implanted instead and send an electronic shock :) 

[motleyhoo]

5 hours ago, 777law said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8386235/Coronavirus-man-says-ex-head-MI6-Sir-Richard-Dearlove.html
 

manmade

 

I just call BS on these kind of stories.  Even if it was man-made, who really cares, since it was not even 1/10 as infectious or dangerous than the seasonal flu.  You'd think a man-made virus would at least be more lethal than a bad cold.  We're now learning that nearly all of the elderly people who died were in nursing homes and were old and ill enough that they were going to die this year anyway.  So, where's the scary virus?  Where's the real pandemic?

 

Surely, someone connected to MI6 knows that the virus did not destroy the world's economy, and the virus did not do any of the other insane things that have been done to us since February.  The virus did not massively exaggerate the statistics. All of these things were done by people.

 

 

 

 

[Noctua]

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Wearing face coverings to be made compulsory on public transport in England from 15 June, Shapps says 

Face coverings on public transport will be compulsory from 15 June in England to help stop the transmission of coronavirus as more people go back to work, Grant Shapps, the transport secretary, has said.

The government will require people to wear face coverings on buses, trains, tubes and other modes of public transport from that date, when non-essential shops are likely to reopen.

However, it will not apply to people entering shops, despite the current guidance saying face coverings should be worn in enclosed public places.

 

 

What's the legal definition of a face covering?  A scarf?

 

So if I wash my hands and sing Happy Birthday twice and wear a scarf on the train, then the incredibly dangerous pandemic won't get me?

[Noctua]

Just to counter that previous post of mine...

 

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MAY 4, 2020

Expert reaction to review of evidence on face masks and face coverings by the Royal Society DELVE Initiative

 

The DELVE Initiative, from the Royal Society, has conducted a review of evidence surrounding the use of face masks and coverings.

 

Dr Ben Killingley, Consultant in Acute Medicine (Clinical Lead) and Infectious Diseases, University College London Hospital, said:

“Regarding the analysis of the evidence base – the report is overly optimistic about the value of face coverings and it is incorrect to conclude that the evidence shows that face covering can reduce viral transmission in the community.  There is in fact no good evidence that face coverings achieve this.  

 

 

Nice to see we are still being guided by the science.

[Orange Alert]

Here we go, from the 15th June everyone has to wear a mask on the buses and trains in the UK.

 

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TRANSPORT SECRETARY Grant Shapps has pleaded with commuters and travellers to now wear face coverings on public transport, emphasising that the new restriction would be mandatory.

 

As of Monday June 15, face coverings will become mandatory on public transport.

Government guidance has encouraged people to avoid tubes, trains and buses in order to reduce the risk of infection.

Transport Secretary Grant Shapps highlighted the measures everyone around the UK should now adopt as the coronavirus restrictions are eased.

He told the daily briefing: "Face coverings do not mean surgical masks which we must keep for medical purposes.

"It means the kind of face covering you can easily make at home.

"There'll be exemptions to these rules for very young children, disabled people and those with breathing difficulties.

"But broadly, as we come through this phase, we're doing what many other countries are doing."

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1291405/Grant-Shapps-coronavirus-latest-news-UK-mask-public-transport-COVID-19-daily-briefing

 

 

 

[Mitochondrial Eve]

The timing of the George Floyd riots is impeccable. Whilst nobody is looking, not only does the UK government extend the review period of the coronavirus restriction review period from 21 to 28 days, but also Neil Ferguson admits, in a roundabout way, that UK lockdown measures have not been effective when compared with non-lockdown Sweden.

 

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/490659-ferguson-undermined-uk-lockdown/

'Professor Lockdown' Ferguson, UK's Covid-19 czar, admits crippling restrictions MADE NO DIFFERENCE – where’s the outrage?

The British scientist known as Professor Lockdown has undermined the draconian policy he unleashed on the world by confessing that Britain hasn’t fared any better in tackling the disease than the laid-back Scandis.

 

Professor Neil Ferguson probably woke up this morning breathing a massive sigh of relief because he hadn’t been ripped to shreds again in the British newspapers for this second time in just under a month – this time over his startling admission that there has been no significant difference in the levels of Covid-19 suppression when comparing the UK and Sweden. 

 

During his evidence to the House of Lords Science and Technology Committee on Tuesday, he said: “They [Swedish scientists] came to a different policy conclusion based really on quite similar science. I don’t agree with it but scientifically they’re not far from scientists in any part of the world.”

 

He then acknowledged that the Swedish authorities had “got a long way to the same effect” without a full lockdown. 

 

In other words, in the type of roundabout waffling way you’d expect from a bumbling boffin, the scientist – dubbed ‘Professor Lockdown’ after he cajoled Boris Johnson into bringing the British economy to a screeching halt  – reckons Sweden has essentially coped very well without being forced into any draconian lockdown, thank you very much.

 

So where was the indignation about how his recommendations f**ked up the economy and made people prisoners in their own homes? It certainly wasn’t to be seen splashed across any British front pages. Indeed, it was hard enough to find much, if any, coverage of this very significant news story on Wednesday. 

 

It was buried inside the Daily Telegraph on page seven, running across a third of a page or less, with a very accurate subheading stating in clear black and white: “Professor admits radical Scandinavian policy worked as well as British policy of shutting down.” 

 

The evidence from the two countries’ differing approaches has left the professor with little escape route. UK (full lockdown/businesses shut down): 579 Covid-19 deaths per million of population. Sweden (softer restrictions/businesses kept open): 442 deaths per million. 

 

But why make such a startling confession now, when he could have wriggled away by saying it’s too early to assess the data as the disease is still running its course? The cynic in me wonders if Dr Ferguson’s matter-of-fact admission that a full lockdown probably didn’t make a blind bit of difference was fueled by ulterior motives. Seeing as his own reputation is already in tatters, was it a warped act of revenge against Boris Johnson for being forced to fall on his sword after being caught breaking lockdown with his married lover? 

 

Or here’s one for conspiracy theorists: instead of wanting to throw BoJo under the bus, could it have been a case of wanting to hide something else that’s about to come down the track? With America now burning in the wake of the atrocious murder of George Floyd, the confession at this juncture reminds me somewhat of how a British government spin doctor sent out a memo only 30 minutes after the second plane hit the Twin Towers on 9/11 with the cynical recommendation that“it’s now a very good day to get out anything we want to bury.” 

 

At the moment, the biggest accusation they could face is needlessly making a hames (for those of you who aren’t Irish, this means a ‘big mess’) of the economy. Even Sweden’s state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell has since said that, while he regrets not implanting stricter measures to stop the spread of Covid-19, he “still would not have gone as far as other European countries did.” 

 

But the Swede being plagued with self-doubt sounds much more like someone racked with guilt about “what ifs?” like an Oskar Schindler type of character who was pictured crying at the end of the Spielberg film because he was convinced he could’ve done better. 

 

According to Aric Dromi, CEO of the Sweden-based Tempus Motu Think Tank, both the UK and Sweden’s response to Covid-19 is “ego driven and lacking in strategy.” He told me: “Differences in the social structure between the UK and Sweden should have made a bigger impact between the numbers infected. The Swedish economy, for example, far from being protected by remaining open, has still been badly damaged as it relies heavily on exports, despite the lack of a lockdown. For both countries, it represents a human sacrifice on the altar of economics, and it is wholly unacceptable.”

 

It all reminds me of when John Cleese in the ‘Gourmet Night’ episode of ‘Fawlty Towers’ told guests that there were only three different types of duck on the menu that night – with orange, with cherries or “surprise,” which turned out to be “duck without oranges or cherries.” And if you don’t like duck? As Basil Fawlty quipped, “Ah, well, if you don’t like duck, uhhh, you’re rather stuck.” 

 

At the end of the day, it might still be too early to fully know which was the right way to go, which begs the question: Why did Prof. Ferguson jump the gun and heap such fulsome praise – no pun intended here – on the Swedish model? Whatever way you spin it here, he has, once again,  “undermined” the lockdown just like he did “after violating quarantine he designed to meet married lover.” 

 

He might’ve been dubbed “Dr Strangelove” after that embarrassing slip up – but now he just comes across as a nutty professor after his latest confession. These strong words might just come back to haunt BoJo when he next goes before the electorate. With a crippled economy thanks to the draconian measures, he’s going to find the next election will be all about his mishandling of Covid-19, and specifically, “the economy, stupid.”

[motleyhoo]

This is all being done for psychological purposes to give the appearance that there's actually a pandemic when it is really all fake.  To counter the psy-op, everyone must wear their mask with a hole cut in the middle of it, so all the "believers" will get that psychological visual cue that the whole thing is stupid.  If the people wearing masks with holes are not getting sick, it will be obvious no virus is spreading around.

 

 

[Jack]

5 minutes ago, Noctua said:

Just to counter that previous post of mine...

 

 

 

Nice to see we are still being guided by the science.

I  think it's the Unions requesting this

[Orange Alert]

10 minutes ago, Noctua said:

 

 

What's the legal definition of a face covering?  A scarf?

 

So if I wash my hands and sing Happy Birthday twice and wear a scarf on the train, then the incredibly dangerous pandemic won't get me?

 

It could be anything if Grant Shapps is saying to make them at home.

[labrats]

2 hours ago, rideforever said:

 

Okay but who will keep such Principles in place?
Say there is a group of people who wish to do evil and co-operate to do so, who will stand up to them ?
And who will be responsible for nuclear waste disposal ... most people would simply forget about it as it is "far away" ... but if it goes off it is not far away from anyone ?  How is that dealt with ?

 

I must admit, I have to agree, there has to be systems in place and functional, it's when it turns to tyranny that it then becomes an issue.

[eddy64]

6 minutes ago, Orange Alert said:

 

It could be anything if Grant Shapps is saying to make them at home.

 

 

its all psychological manipulation to make people go back to work by giving them a mask 'crutch' to lean on when they're hesitant to use a bus or train.

[Jack]

theres still a lot of fear in people, maybe the only way to persuade people if theres a presumed "safe test" mask coverings

Another reason for masks now is that they are preparing you for sectors.

Simple nudge theory.

you can only do this if you have this.

you can only go out if you have track and trace,

you can only go on a plane if you have immunity passports.

 

Edited June 4, 2020 by Jack

[AndyJ]

I had my first confrontation regarding the bullshit going on in the supermarkets today. There are 3 supermarkets in my area and occasionally my wife has joined me shopping. We have joined the Nazi queuing, understanding we can go in together when two other people exit. Today, Tesco staff said they are no longer accepting two people from the same household into the store at the same time. I just couldn't resist telling the staff member that is a ridiculous policy because what difference does it make when you have a supermarket full of people whether or not there are two people from the same household in there? If everyone is observing the distancing "rules" what the hell is the difference? Just seems nonsensical to me. The weird thing was I categorically stated I wasn't blaming the staff, just expressing my view that the new policy is nonsense. But the staff member went full victim mode and started banging on about "We have families too". I don't know what relevance that had to me pointing out how stupid the new store policy was,  but there we go. I think this is the challenge to overcome when you know what's really going on, trying not to take all this crazy shit personally. I've got to try not to judge these people who just blindly follow the silly "rules" without questioning them but some days are easier to do that than others! 

[chocomel]

1 hour ago, zArk said:

 

DANG! I don't know if this real but I thought I was being creative....someone else beat me to it. Hilarious.

 

[chocomel]

47 minutes ago, Orange Alert said:

Here we go, from the 15th June everyone has to wear a mask on the buses and trains in the UK.

 

WTF!

 

[zArk]

50 minutes ago, Noctua said:

Regarding the analysis of the evidence base – the report is overly optimistic about the value of face coverings

lol 

 

overly optimistic  

 

hes so polite and professional 

[motleyhoo]

The masks everyone is wearing do not even stop viruses, they're designed to stop bacteria.  Even if Corona/Covid is real, it is not a bacteria, it's a virus.  Those medical masks Doctors and Nurses wear in hospitals are the same thing, they're only designed to stop bacteria. 

 

Doctors and nurses know this, but they are not being given a voice and are instead being censored.

 

[serpentine]

Who is supplying the millions of masks that will be needed?

[zarkov]

2 hours ago, rideforever said:

 

Okay but who will keep such Principles in place?
Say there is a group of people who wish to do evil and co-operate to do so, who will stand up to them ?
And who will be responsible for nuclear waste disposal ... most people would simply forget about it as it is "far away" ... but if it goes off it is not far away from anyone ?  How is that dealt with ?

 

 

That would be why people should read it.

Once the moral ideal settles in the mind, is understood then the answers can be worked out.

It then becomes clear that everyone would be responsible for themselves and treat each other as they wish to be treated. We all would keep moral principles in place. Those who behave immorally would be shunned or not dealt with - they would separate themselves from a society that bases itself on moral principle!

True education and moral comprehension has been sidelined in favour of obedience training and not thinking independantly.

Ultimately why would we not all stand up to any form of oppression, That is our right, the right that life bestows - most don't do that now because we have all be programmed to obey, & conform to tyranny!

There is also no reason why many small competing private security firms could not be created by people to do what they are supposed to do now but for the protection of all rather than for the protection of tyrants. Each would keep each other in check as is the true nature of competition and competing would imply negation of monopolisation.

It isn't perfect but not discussing and getting involved or exploring it as a viable alternative will not progress the pragmatics further!

Peoples jobs might be similar to that of today - who knows how the social and economic landscape would change if tyranny were to be removed from the equation!

Waste disposal would be ideally organised with those of sufficient expertise to deal with it. roads would be built by road-builders etc Just no requirement for government. At worst a minarchy might be a good starting point because people are easily frightened by the unknown, but as Larken Rose points out this is always a step in the wrong direction towards control.

I take it you haven't read the book?

 

[chocomel]

Just wear one of these. Kids will love you.

 

OR this...

They are kindly upsaling a pair of ears to go with it as well.

 

I've seen people wearing a surgical mask on their elbow, have you?

I think it's called elbow mask.

Edited June 4, 2020 by chocomel

[motleyhoo]

Communities used to take care of their own unfortunate through a myriad of local charities, and this system worked well for many generations.  The Great Depression was used as a Problem->Reaction->Solution pretext to regulate local charities out of business in favour of govt controlled "programs".   When I was a kid back in the 60's, both of the hospitals in my town ran their own free health clinics for poor people, which were staffed by off-duty doctors and nurses, with supplies donated by charities and hospitals.  The corporations lobbied to have this system regulated out of existence and replaced with private insurance and medicare, both of which have been responsible for sending health care prices spiralling through the stratosphere.

 

Before the govt got involved, as a proxy for big business, my mother paid for my routine doctor visits by writing a check or paying cash.  Once big business took over and govt got involved, even routine doctor visits have become so expensive that insurance is needed just to pay for a 10 minute visit.

 

 

 

[zarkov]

1 hour ago, Orange Alert said:

1 hour ago, Noctua said:

 

 

 What's the legal definition of a face covering?  A scarf?

 

Dark sunglasses mask my face partially

I may destroy my wifes stockings and go full bankrobber - the statists would respect that ;)

[KillBill]

 

[motleyhoo]

9 minutes ago, zarkov said:

 

Dark sunglasses mask my face partially

I may destroy my wifes stockings and go full bankrobber - the statists would respect that ;)

 

What type of virus would a fishnet mask stop?  LOL!!