Coronavirus Mega-Thread.

[Avoiceinthecrowd]

3 minutes ago, Beaujangles said:

 

My evidence comes from those who have taken the questionnaire, people who were more than qualified for the positions. The questions in the questionnaires related to empathy. Why would I have a link to my conversations with these people? It was personal interaction, and the divulging of facts from people who were dumbfounded by what they saw and what the resulting assessment said.  I personally know jail guards who have been employed for some time who also see a new breed of jail guards coming into their jails.  I know cops wives who say that their husbands are against much of this new control. ( usually older cops but not all) I have watched one cop be fired for daring to speak out. No I am sorry I don't have a link to these facts.... but this is a forum and we come here to speak of what we know...to share our experiences. Maybe somewhere on the net you can find a link to the questionnaires... I'm sure they are out there somewhere.

I hunt and trap with retired provincial police and they usually are aware of these things. Thats why I requested a link. 

[Beaujangles]

2 minutes ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

I hunt and trap with retired provincial police and they usually are aware of these things. Thats why I requested a link. 

 

Aware of what things? The questionnaires? The hidden places on uk coasts? I assume you are Canadian when you use the word 'provincial'?  If your friends are retired, how would they necessarily know the latest situations? Friends?

Edited December 26, 2020 by Beaujangles

[Avoiceinthecrowd]

3 minutes ago, Beaujangles said:

 

Aware of what things? The questionnaires? The hidden places on uk coasts? I assume you are Canadian when you use the word 'provincial'?  If your friends are retired, how would they necessarily know the latest situations? Friends?

My apologies. I thought you were Canadian. You would be surprised how well informed retired cops are.

[Avoiceinthecrowd]

1 minute ago, oddsnsods said:

Wack a mole time..

Is that you sock then I take it, looking to stir shit up are we?

 

6 post trolley so obvious, dicktating how the thread should be run.

 

Bit obvious.

 

 

 

I have no power in this forum.

[Guest]

With due respect .... enough please .... and back to topic thank you!

 

[Beaujangles]

7 minutes ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

My apologies. I thought you were Canadian. You would be surprised how well informed retired cops are.

 

 

Regardless of my nationalities, I know many who are in the jail guard system and the current police system IN CANADA. I also know the corruption from within and the organizations that portray as good when they are evil. You would be quite surprised what I know... so when someone tries to second guess me and what i know it becomes a little ( to say it politely) irksome. I also know that certain police type and other so called 'verified insiders' police these type forums. I am not saying that you are one...but I really do know how it works and the lengths people will go for money. There are mercenaries hiding in plain sight and existing in so called 'bonafide social groups' Maybe you can divulge which of these groups your 'hunting and trapping' friends frequent? maybe we can find out who is behind the covid 19 agenda and how its delivered to the unsuspecting public.

Edited December 26, 2020 by Beaujangles

[Ziggy Sawdust]

4 minutes ago, ink said:

With due respect .... enough please .... and back to topic thank you!

 

 

6 minutes ago, ink said:

With due respect .... enough please .... and back to topic thank you!

 

 

[Avoiceinthecrowd]

1 minute ago, Beaujangles said:

 

 

Regardless of my nationalities, I know many who are in the jail guard system and the current police system IN CANADA. I also know the corruption from within and the organizations that portray as good when they are evil. You would be quite surprised what I know... so when someone tries to second guess me and what i know it becomes a little ( to say it politely) irksome. I also know that certain police type and other so called 'verified insiders' police these type forums. I am not saying that you are one...but I really do know how it works and the lengths people will go for money. There are mercenaries hiding in plain sight and existing in so called 'bonafide social groups' Maybe you can divulge which of these groups your 'hunting and trapping' friends frequent? 

Mostly they try to keep their wives happy. They continue to get news from active police. Most are really pissed at the turn of events.

[Beaujangles]

Covid bullshit is out of control... police are perpetuating it. Tell your 'hunters/trappers' to advise those inside the force ( interesting word that) to stop abusing power and violating rights. This covid bullshit needs to stop...and they need to do their part... 

[Guest]

Mod Note:

 

This is NOT a general chat thread.

It has already had to be closed to be cleaned up once today.

Off topic of covid will either be moved or removed .... there is a whole forum structure for all and any interactions .... this one is for covid related information and discussion.

 

Thank you.

[Avoiceinthecrowd]

Just now, Beaujangles said:

Covid bullshit is out of control... police are perpetuating it. Tell your 'hunters/trappers' to advise those inside the force ( interesting word that) to stop abusing power and violating rights. This covid bullshit needs to stop...and they need to do their part... 

They know.

[AndyJ]

[DarianF]

3 hours ago, zarkov said:

Science is not based on supposition, guesswork or assumption. It is based on observable and provable fact.

To prove pathogenicity you have to be able to isolate/purify the whole intact particles that are causing the pathogenicity and do this repeatedly and with accuracy. (Firstly other factors such as environmental conditions should be ruled out! Toxins, malnutrition)

 

The isolated particles have to then be introduced to healthy cells so that it can be established that pathogenicity can accurately be attributed as caused by the specified particles.

With bacteria this methodology is not so much of a problem as various filters and centrifugation techniques can be employed whereby the bacteria can be isolated and then viewed directly on a slide using a powerful light microscope.  This method uses direct observation.

 

So called pathogenic virus particles on the other hand use indirect observation - i.e. They cannot be directly observed even with a powerful light microscope but instead go through an elaborate process to determine apparent identity and  pathogenicity. At no stage is the process directly observable.

When a "virus" particle is suspected as the cause of some ailment or disease then the apparent experts set about the tasks in the following manner:

A tissue or fluid sample is taken from the symptomatic organism.
It is important to be aware that at all times this must occur in a perfectly sterile environment whereby no contaminants will skew the results.

The sample is prepared by breaking down the constituent components; this can be achieved chemically or mechanically. Again in a state of perfect sterility which often ignores chemical contamination.

The suspected viral matrix is then added to a sucrose solution that has a specific gravity and viscosity prior to centrifugation where it is spun for an extended period. The rotation separates the ultra fine particles out according to density and mass which is called a density gradient.

 

It is assumed that the density gradient will specifically isolate all the exact same particles along each band of the gradient. This is not the case since the matrix will contain 100’s if not 1000’s of different particles comprised of  haphazardly derived “viral” material, bacterial, fungal, moulds, yeasts and genetic material belonging to the host cells which will also be present in the matrix, including all cellular excreta irrespective of sterility of environment.

With such an unknown quantity of ubiquitous particulates, organelles etc, specific isolation at any particular gradient band should be logically seen as improbable as there is no directly observable method to determine exact purity conclusively. Molecular sieves result in less clarity than centrifugation since size rather than density is the determining factor.

 

These are the methods employed to supposedly isolate particulates in a substrate.

They are classed as indirect.  i.e. No direct observation takes place! The scale is far too small.

 

Using a syringe an extraction from a specific band is removed from the centrifugation and then combined with resins and once set it is sliced very thinly and mounted on a suitable surface and placed into a vacuum chamber where electrons are fired at the slice.

Electron micrographs are obtained of the particulates that have been processed. Visual characterisation. Once established then chemical characterisation can proceed.

Transmission Electron Microscope (TEM)  is a method of indirect observation.

Koch outlined a methodology for isolation of bacterial microbes and the logical step was to follow the same principles. They were adapted by other proponents of virology (rivers et el) where they adjusted the parameters to accommodate inherent limitations.

The process simply - sample > isolation/purification (whole intact) > characterisation and identification (tem etc) > replication > reinfection of healthy tissue > resample > isolation/purification > characterisation and identification.

 

All chemical and mechanical processes adulterate the focal substrate, distort and ameliorate the findings.  All essentially part of an indirect process (abstraction).

 

Each part of the process is a layer of abstraction.

 

Indirect process provides no tangible evidence, more fodder to be processed and statistically manipulated/politicised

 

This is state and nature of science and politics today.

 

Edit:

Viruses will never be isolated according to any tangible proceedure.

True isolation is avoided because ultimately pathogenicity will be conclusively disproven

 

 

 

How to isolate viruses in a lab

https://www.futurelearn.com/info/courses/introduction-to-microbiology/0/steps/51422

[oddsnsods]

3 minutes ago, ink said:

Mod Note:

 

This is NOT a general chat thread.

this one is for covid related information and discussion.

 

Thank you.

 

Thanks Ink.

 

A reminder of how many healthy people under the age of 60 have allegedly died of this deadly covid1984 pandemic.

Remember that can be dying of any cause after having a test within 28 days.

 

 

Its gone up by about 50 last time I checked several months ago..

 

Another gov source claims 50 people have have caught covid in the last week nationally.

make of it what you will.

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/947077/NOIDS-weekly-report-week51-2020.pdf

 

[Shake]

8 hours ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

Number of homeowners leaving London hits 4 year high as 74,000 exit during pandemic
https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/number-homeowners-leaving-london-hits-23222433

Good. I can maybe have a place of my own 

[EnigmaticWorld]

5 minutes ago, Shake said:

Good. I can maybe have a place of my own 

 

Possibly, but I would leave cities if I was you too, they're unhealthy in my opinion. I understand that people flock to cities for work though.

[oddsnsods]

Boiling the bioethical frog

 

https://thecritic.co.uk/boiling-the-bioethical-frog/

 

Great article!

 

[DarianF]

9 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Possibly, but I would leave cities if I was you too, they're unhealthy in my opinion. I understand that people flock to cities for work though.

 

Buy up all the cheap vacant real estate, and rent it all out to the remaining suckers. Use the rental income to pay off a lovely house in the peaceful countryside.

[DarianF]

Here we go!

 

Call for mandatory vaccines for Australian workers

https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-vaccine-rollout-business-owners-call-for-mandatory-vaccine-rule-for-workers/4167c60a-db33-460e-88e9-88981e96820a

[Shake]

I am in a urban city at the moment... not exactly the most friendliest of places but I'll get through

 

i would happily do a trade... those who have a second plus home can stay there, while I can move into a place of my own and try and find some work. 

 

I can but dream 

[Beaujangles]

1 minute ago, Shake said:

I am in a urban city at the moment... not exactly the most friendliest of places but I'll get through

 

i would happily do a trade... those who have a second plus home can stay there, while I can move into a place of my own and try and find some work. 

 

I can but dream 

 

Maybe there is a Real Estate thread that can be posted in - to keep things on topic here?

[Shake]

Just now, Beaujangles said:

 

Maybe there is a Real Estate thread that can be posted in - to keep things on topic here?

Its to do about this topic because of the mention people are leaving the urban sprawl to go somewhere else. 

 

I am am not into real estate, just a place on my own. 

[DarianF]

 

[Beaujangles]

1 minute ago, Shake said:

Its to do about this topic because of the mention people are leaving the urban sprawl to go somewhere else. 

 

I am am not into real estate, just a place on my own. 

 

Yes..and police are integral to the current alleged pandemic, as was being talked about earlier. Just making a point.

[vinny79]

9 minutes ago, DarianF said:

Here we go!

 

Call for mandatory vaccines for Australian workers

https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-vaccine-rollout-business-owners-call-for-mandatory-vaccine-rule-for-workers/4167c60a-db33-460e-88e9-88981e96820a

Updated 733pm

 

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