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8 minutes ago, Athenry04 said:

Some mongs on my facebook feed have now had the jab, the messages of support on their posts are just scary. It's all going to plan thus far...

I deleted mine at the start of all this because of the amount of cowardly men scared little men on my feed. I knew it would get worse. Good insight for you though if you can disconnect your emotions on how the normies are acting. Too much retardness for me to deal with. 

 

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Could also give us an update if any of them die in the coming months. 

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1 minute ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

It's a valid point, but people don't expect much privacy in a public setting where everyone can see you anyway. It's the intrusive crap that is spilling into our own homes that annoys me the most.

i find street security cameras intrusive imo they will be used to control people a great deal more than zoom or skype 

 

i expect to enjoy the same human rights wherever i am the location shouldn't matter 

 

i have avoided social media since its conception myspace facebook twitter etc i always held the view that folk that use

that kind of media are not computer literate that is why they are posting their real identity all over the net on facebook 

thinking its a great idea 

 

for me i don't see the point hiding from zoom or skype when i will walk down the street and be identified by multiple

street cameras that could place me at the scene of an event that i have nothing to do with and could be used

as circumstantial evidence against me 

 

zoom on the other hand most likely will sell my search habits so i can be better targeted with advertising 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Fluke said:

I deleted mine at the start of all this because of the amount of cowardly men scared little men on my feed. I knew it would get worse. Good insight for you though if you can disconnect your emotions on how the normies are acting. Too much retardness for me to deal with. 

 

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Could also give us an update if any of them die in the coming months. 

 

Defo man, they are due to be going back for second shot at some point in New Year, the smugness from them is shocking,but I'm keeping a close eye on their pages. I doubt they'd post any adverse reactions anyway, as the damage it would do to their belief system would be too much for them to take. But so far, they appear to be ticking over ok.

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4 minutes ago, oneantisworthtenofyou said:

i find street security cameras intrusive imo they will be used to control people a great deal more than zoom or skype 

 

i expect to enjoy the same human rights wherever i am the location shouldn't matter 

 

i have avoided social media since its conception myspace facebook twitter etc i always held the view that folk that use

that kind of media are not computer literate that is why they are posting their real identity all over the net on facebook 

thinking its a great idea 

 

for me i don't see the point hiding from zoom or skype when i will walk down the street and be identified by multiple

street cameras that could place me at the scene of an event that i have nothing to do with and could be used

as circumstantial evidence against me 

 

zoom on the other hand most likely will sell my search habits so i can be better targeted with advertising 

 

 

 

 

I find public surveillance creepy too, especially social distancing surveillance that will no doubt be used to stop protests.

 

This concerns me a lot though:

 

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When we're at a point where we have no privacy in our own homes then we're going to be totally enslaved.

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3 hours ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

It's the intrusive crap that is spilling into our own homes that annoys me the most.

From the very first days of telephones it has been possible to make the handpiece microphone "hot" remotely. This technique is called hookswitch bypass.

 

Basically what this means is that a remote operator or anyone privy to this mechanism could override the hookswitch of a telephone meaning they could listen into a room or meeting or office or bedroom while the owners of the phone were confident the phone was on hook and inactive.

 

I trust most will see the incredible power wielded by those betraying the confidence of subscribers this way.

 

Music compositions, impending business deals, infidelities, crimes, associations, plans etc, anything discussed or transpiring near such hot mikes was compromised.

 

To this day the method is still employed to gain an unfair advantage or to blackmail or any other number of applications. Worst even are the cameras on cell phones that can easily be activated without the knowledge of the owner.

 

It has always been my belief that this unscrupulous ability has been a major cornerstone of tyrannical advancement in our world of blind trust in the integrity of these systems.

 

Technically one could logically assume that everyone owning a cell is carrying a snitch in his/her pocket. All others tethered to a landline suffer this same issue unknowingly.

 

Imagine the number of people that could be listening in as the phone on the nightable transmits a person's orgasmic grunts to some remote listener.

 

Also this is how they could monitor compliance with face masks in the home and elsewhere.

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3 hours ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

When we're at a point where we have no privacy in our own homes then we're going to be totally enslaved.

We never did.

Imagine if you could dial up any number in the world and seemlessly activate the cameras and microphones on these devices by entering a code. Think of the fantastic power you would have knowing everyone's most intimate secrets.

 

You could steal original music, sabotage a competotor's business strategy, steal copyrights before they get patented, obtain information that would make you a successful medium and the list goes on forever.

 

Of course you would often stumble across criminal activity. You might also discover where people have buried their little treasures. Easily one of the most impressive confidence abuses ever known to man.

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1 hour ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

We never did.

Imagine if you could dial up any number in the world and seemlessly activate the cameras and microphones on these devices by entering a code. Think of the fantastic power you would have knowing everyone's most intimate secrets.

 

You could steal original music, sabotage a competotor's business strategy, steal copyrights before they get patented, obtain information that would make you a successful medium and the list goes on forever.

 

Of course you would often stumble across criminal activity. You might also discover where people have buried their little treasures. Easily one of the most impressive confidence abuses ever known to man.

 

This is true, but most of the tech they can spy through isn't mandatory.

 

I guess there isn't much difference at this point though as someone could spy on you through a light bulb if they can get a clean line of sight to it, and I don't see many people that would be willing to have no light bulbs, unless they're camping out in the sticks.

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5 hours ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

I find public surveillance creepy too, especially social distancing surveillance that will no doubt be used to stop protests.

 

This concerns me a lot though:

 

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When we're at a point where we have no privacy in our own homes then we're going to be totally enslaved.

Well it is the communist ideal. No private or public.* No property ownership.*

*Except for a small minority who are afforded property rights and privacy. 

 

But look at it this way a whole bunch of people have bought those stupid voice activated boxes called alexa or whatever. They chose to and chose to keep them after the privacy issues were discussed publically

 

The figures say the people want to become serfs and dont mind a select few being above the laws for the civilians

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18 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

This is true, but most of the tech they can spy through isn't mandatory.

With the advent of covid we are hearing talk of following China's lead in making smartphones mandatory for everything. Consistent with the Orwellian newspeak they will assure you that you have a choice however the reality is that you will be denied services without it. I predict this denial of services and products for  refusal to comply will give rise to widespread black market practices.

 

If anything we have learned from communist totalitarianism is that it inevitably creates vast underground markets and practices. Things like a butcher trading prime cuts for opera tickets and such.

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4 minutes ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

A common rationale used to dismiss privacy concerns is that they have nothing to hide. Can anyone really have nothing to hide?

Privacy relates intimately with ownership and rights to share or not

Privacy is your body and mind

No private thoughts

No private decisions 

 

Twitter and fb promote rejurgitation of intimate thoughts with lack of contemplation

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

A common rationale used to dismiss privacy concerns is that they have nothing to hide. Can anyone really have nothing to hide?

 

Yeah I can't stand that silly argument. In a society where telling some truths is illegal, only a dishonest person would say "no need to worry if you have nothing to hide", or a person that has nothing of interest to say.

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1 minute ago, bamboozooka said:

thats what all the programmed oap's i know say

they don't give a shit they are actually doing it

Privacy may be shared intimately with a significant other as a gesture of special consideration. However, it appears that many people like to extend this intimacy to the ruling authorities for the same reasons.

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2 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Yeah I can't stand that silly argument. In a society where telling some truths is illegal, only a dishonest person would say "no need to worry if you have nothing to hide", or a person that has nothing of interest to say.

The trick is understanding the value a certain party may give to a thing another views as benign. Person has nothing to hide but places his phone on the table as he discusses all the unlawful tax exemptions his clients have asked him to apply to their returns. Not endorcing truth in taxes but this trusting tax specialist is selling out all his clients. Maybe not the best example but I hope it illustrates the mistake of blind trust.

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I have it on good authority that judges do not like police ticketting or hauling persons that can do a good job of defending themselves. Especially in matters of the current covid restrictions. Here we see the invasion of privacy as a tool to give police a pretty good idea who possesses the kind of evidence they dont want in court.

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7 hours ago, oneantisworthtenofyou said:

How will you deal with the facial recognition cameras in the streets up and down the country

do you have a strategy that will enable you to hide your identity from these cameras?

 

 

 

Point taken, and that is one of the reasons I left London years ago to live in a semi rural location in Spain, with very few cameras at all.

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They are rolling out Neil Ferguson again.

 

"Professor Neil Ferguson has given an extraordinary interview to Tom Whipple at The Times, in which he confirms the degree to which he believes that imitating China’s lockdown policies at the start of 2020 changed the parameters of what Western societies consider acceptable.

 

“I think people’s sense of what is possible in terms of control changed quite dramatically between January and March,” Professor Ferguson says. When SAGE observed the “innovative intervention” out of China, of locking entire communities down and not permitting them to leave their homes, they initially presumed it would not be an available option in a liberal Western democracy:

 

"It’s a communist one party state, we said. We couldn’t get away with it in Europe, we thought… and then Italy did it. And we realised we could."

 

There you go, confirmation from the darling of the Government's SAGE committee of a Communistic ploy to lock people down.

 

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- Professor Neil Ferguson, The Times
 
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How to report your neighbours for breaching Tier 4 coronavirus rules to police this Christmas
https://www.kentlive.news/news/kent-news/how-report-your-neighbours-breaching-4832511

 

This Mirror Group newspaper teams up with the police to encourage public denunciations and secret informants against their friends and neighbours, the modern version of the Soviet Union's 'whisperers'.

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12 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

How to report your neighbours for breaching Tier 4 coronavirus rules to police this Christmas
https://www.kentlive.news/news/kent-news/how-report-your-neighbours-breaching-4832511

 

This Mirror Group newspaper teams up with the police to encourage public denunciations and secret informants against their friends and neighbours, the modern version of the Soviet Union's 'whisperers'.

 

Bloody hell. 

 

This is George Orwell's 1984. Next they will be indoctrinating children in school to snitch on other

 children and adults alike, including their own parents eventually.  This makes me feel quite despondent.

 

From 1984

 

 "Nearly all children nowadays were horrible. What was worst of all was that by means of such organizations as the Spies they were systematically turned into ungovernable little savages, and yet this produced in them no tendency whatever to rebel against the discipline of the Party.

 

On the contrary, they adored the Party and everything connected with it…. All their ferocity was turned outwards, against the enemies of the State, against foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought-criminals. It was almost normal for people over thirty to be frightened of their own children." 

 

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6 minutes ago, Golden Retriever said:

"Nearly all children nowadays were horrible. What was worst of all was that by means of such organizations as the Spies they were systematically turned into ungovernable little savages, and yet this produced in them no tendency whatever to rebel against the discipline of the Party.

 

Makes me think of those Soviet statues that honour children that snitched on their families. Very dark stuff.

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