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16 hours ago, Shining-one said:

Apparently Boris did his degree in Latin. Not knocking that as such. I knew one or two very smart people who studied Latin. The snag is though it doesn't cover what you'd expect for leading a country. Except maybe comparing 280 A D. to western civilization in 2020.

 

When all you have to do is read a script, handed to you by your masters, then a Latin degree is enough.

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9 hours ago, The Illuminator said:

 

Repeating gossip? What are you doing? Care to share any evidence to back up your ramblings?

 

Flu has been eradicated because of the measures weve taken? And you have the audacity to talk about other people promoting gossip. You are so far out of your depth it's not funny.

 

 

Why does masks and stuff eradicate flu but not SARS cov2? Why has countries like japan China korea not seen any statisically significant difference in their deaths even though they been wearing masks for decades?

 

I am one of these health care professionals you referenced who has a Msc and Mpharm after their name.

 

"CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010" [ https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html ].

 

So where were all these lockdown freaks and mask pushing morons when all these flu deaths were happening? Never heard a whisper from them.

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The first time I was made aware of the deaths annually from the flu was several decades ago. Often I wondered why the media and press in general were mute on this statistic. As I observe them now using lesser numbers to generate fear and panic I am left wondering if the ansence of concern in the past was deliberate.

 

I imagine how the masses would have reacted to the covid death stats had they been annually informed of the deaths to be expected from flu annually all those decades past. Cant shake the feeling this has all been planned a very long time ago and the annual flu deaths were witheld from mainstream publication for this plan.

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"In some cases, wearing a mask might help protect you from the human influenza A and B viruses — the ones responsible for most seasonal outbreaks of flu (influenza). But the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) generally suggests that only health care workers who are in close contact with people with influenza wear masks. The CDC doesn't recommend that people in public areas wear masks to protect themselves from influenza."

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/swine-flu/expert-answers/flu-mask/faq-20057878

 

 

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13 hours ago, Orange Alert said:

 

 

 

They cancelled 'TOTP', so they could get rid of all the 'stained' dressing rooms. They cancelled 'Tomorrow's World', so all of their sheeple slaves wouldn't throw themselves into nearby volcanoes. 

 

8 hours ago, Illmatic said:

The mask argument falls apart before you even get to efficacy. Why are they mandated but any old piece of cloth is OK? Why is nobody instructed how to actually use them rather than fumbling around with it and potentially using the same one for weeks on end? Why no biohazard bins for masks if they are potentially crawling with Covid? They're meant to demoralise you and shut you up, human muzzles.

 

The primary motive for the mask aspect of this psyop is simply to make it 'seem' real. As almost everyone on here has already said, if you didn't have a TV and were going about your business as usual, then would you have no idea anything was 'supposed' to be wrong. Having most of the sheeple wearing masks corrects this problem. I reckon it was a tough decision for the PTB to make, as they wouldn't normally approve of people wearing masks.  

 

4 hours ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

I recall watching the towers collapse at 911. The year following this we posted the evidence that the event was a false flag ad nauseum. This was in the days of Libertyforum.  Views to these threads were very numerous and one could easily be forgiven for thinking the masses would rise up and bring the perps to justice. The years passed and that agenda plowed ahead as if no one had ever had a dissenting opinion on this matter. I remember thinking how royally screwed we would all be if they got away with that. Now, here we are experiencing the logical conclusions of our failure to act.

 

I 'began' to wake up in 2006, so that was before my time. However, I am sure that mass consciousness has shifted an awful lot since 2010. Whether that is 'enough' or not is another matter. Furthermore, if the PTB weren't concerned about it, then they wouldn't now be fighting tooth and nail to control social media or sending their cannon fodder on here for me to ritually discipline.

 

3 hours ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

Actually this topic is relevant to this thread as it applies to the sinister motives said to be behind the criminal misuse of ventilators during the casedemic. But you are correct, this is a very deep rabbit hole worthy of its own discussion focus.

 

We did say, back in April, that some 'Covid cadavers' probably were going 'missing in action'.

 

1 hour ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

The first time I was made aware of the deaths annually from the flu was several decades ago. Often I wondered why the media and press in general were mute on this statistic. As I observe them now using lesser numbers to generate fear and panic I am left wondering if the ansence of concern in the past was deliberate.

 

I imagine how the masses would have reacted to the covid death stats had they been annually informed of the deaths to be expected from flu annually all those decades past. Cant shake the feeling this has all been planned a very long time ago and the annual flu deaths were witheld from mainstream publication for this plan.

 

The PTB liked the flu killing off loads of elderly and weak folks every winter, so never did anything meaningful to tackle it. Simple as that. In my opinion, you are overthinking here. 😀

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2 hours ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

The first time I was made aware of the deaths annually from the flu was several decades ago. Often I wondered why the media and press in general were mute on this statistic. As I observe them now using lesser numbers to generate fear and panic I am left wondering if the ansence of concern in the past was deliberate.

 

I imagine how the masses would have reacted to the covid death stats had they been annually informed of the deaths to be expected from flu annually all those decades past. Cant shake the feeling this has all been planned a very long time ago and the annual flu deaths were witheld from mainstream publication for this plan.

 

Think you're giving them too much credit there. I reckon it's just that in the past death and disease especially among the elderly was rightly regarded as a normal part of life. Through the cult of Covid they managed to convince everyone that this is not the case and we must strive to beat death

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Boris doesn't strike me as a bad person as such. He's very typical of a slightly dizzy uni academic. He became quite ill and is now convinced Covid is a huge threat. I don't see him as part of a group of fascists. He just believes the spin. I was once impressed he defended a mugging victim in London and intervened to help. That at least shows a bit of bottle. Maybe the truth is Bozza would have been better off teaching Latin at a uni dep - he has taught kids at school. When thinking of the 15th century witch persecution, I gather there were many ways evil manifested itself through people. Some people were simple and fearful so reported witches due to their hysteria. Others were caught up in the bureaucratic system. A few others knew the witch cult was fiction but used it to gain promotion. This is why I view the Covid phenomenon as very dangerous. It could cause huge suffering to countless people. If, for example, radical opposition groups akin to the IRA appear, we could all be viewed as extremists. That is, a witch hunt. My view is things are likely to get very heated in the near future. There is so far no sign at all civil liberties will return to normal and social tensions will simmer in months to come.

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1Boris academically is obviously not a stupid person. But i think ultimately he is evil and cowardly.

 

He had the chance if he had the courage of his convictions to do a trump and call out the msm and talk "to the people" via social media when the majority voted and supported him clearly now wrongly. But he is too interested in not pissing off his loyal party supporters and keeping in the press good books lol. 

 

This is why they are clearly all controlled. Every primeminister i can think of left office with their name in tatters. So why would you then not set out a 20 year plan to tackle corruption and just try and do the right thing. Is this just power corrupting? Puppets. 

 

I don't think he has ever had a job or run a buisness? Outside journalismThen you look at his family i wouldn't usually but considering they are so eager to whore themselves out its clear who his ilk is. His dad has always been an arsehole in the public eye and then you look at his books on population and whatnot. But he is potrayed as friendly stanley. 

 

Boris was like a clarkson figure. A bit naughty and had a sense of humour and liked to push the boundaries. He took the piss out of burqkas which i think is completely acceptable to take the piss out of any religion personally in a civilised country. But even politically he was always weak. 

 

I heard a commentator who is seemingly awake cant remember his name said that boris likes projects and has jumped on this green new deal. I find it hard to believe that he doesn't know the background and the inner engineering of this great reset build back better nonsense. 

 

James delingpole has impressed me more than anyone else who is semi mainstream. He is seen as a joke among his peers now. Despite his thoughts on isreal which i believe he is naive of rather than a zionist i think he is worth a topic. I dont detect any shilliness from him only integrity but i am probably going to be dissapointed down the line. At least he discusses with people he disagrees with and does not try to constantly score points. 

 

I see a man that feels like i do. In desperate pain over what is happening. Sorry for the spelling im slightly drunk. 

 

Merry christmas allnight 

 

 

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And i know a lot of people dont like trump but you know what i meant about telling the media to donone so dont start.

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Boris was pretty much subjected to mockery due to being wound up by a Russian comic. This guy impersonated an ambassador to Armenia. Boris was likewise easily baited to demonise Russia in the phone chat. The fake ambassador asked if it was safe to drink tea with Putin, or could it be poison?
Interesting that hysteria and paranoia has been centred upon Russia prior to the Covid hysteria. We hear tales of election manipulation, poisonings, hacking and, of course, oppression of gay people. I have lived and studied in Russia. Democracy there has fallen behind the more open Gorbachev era. Despite that I remain baffled as to how Russia could have somehow swung a whole US population to vote for Trump. Just not possible. It shows how paranoid and hysterical society was even prior to Covid. Also, given my background in Russian as a field of study, I've been accused of being a sort of "plant". Last time I was over there was in 2008 teaching English. Wouldn't go back now as there's too much tension. To my mind democracy is much needed in Russia but we need democracy in other countries too. Vibrant elections and politicians being accountable to the voters. Constitutional citizen rights. In fact I'm baffled as to how come the E.U. Social Charter was never used to squash Covid civil rights violations. I thought Europeans were supposed to have freedom of thought and movement as well as protest. What was the point of the Charter if it's lame?

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On 12/24/2020 at 3:50 PM, Concerned Citizen said:

 

A VERY GOOD set of FACTS epsom. THANKS for putting that together.

You won't mind, I am sure, that I use your set of facts / ONE QUESTION on a little leaflet that I intend putting out in a couple of places locally. Will also quote your set of facts to others that I send stuff to (and also being blanked by).

 

Thanks---with pleasure.

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On 12/24/2020 at 4:01 PM, Not-me said:

 

It tells you that the mask is not 100% effective, nor is it claimed to be. They use them in hospitals and have done so for a very long time. They limit.

 

If a 75% effective mask wearing person encounters another 75% effective mask wearing person, the collective overall effectiveness is massively improved............

 

Why Masks Work BETTER Than You'd Think - YouTube

 

Studies of Surgical Masks Efficacy

by Chris of the family Masters

Aug 12 2020

As a person who went to medical school, I was shocked when I read Neil Orr’s study, published in 1981 in the Annals of the Royal College of Surgeons of England. Dr. Orr was a surgeon in the Severalls Surgical Unit in Colchester. And for six months, from March through August 1980, the surgeons and staff in that unit decided to see what would happen if they did not wear masks during surgeries. They wore no masks for six months, and compared the rate of surgical wound infections from March through August 1980 with the rate of wound infections from March through August of the previous four years. And they discovered, to their amazement, that when nobody wore masks during surgeries, the rate of wound infections was less than half what it was when everyone wore masks. Their conclusion: “It would appear that minimum contamination can best be achieved by not wearing a mask at all” and that wearing a mask during surgery “is a standard procedure that could be abandoned.”

I was so amazed that I scoured the medical literature, sure that this was a fluke and that newer studies must show the utility of masks in preventing the spread of disease. But to my surprise the medical literature for the past forty-five years has been consistent: masks are useless in preventing the spread of disease and, if anything, are unsanitary objects that themselves spread bacteria and viruses.

  • Ritter et al., in 1975, found that “the wearing of a surgical face mask had no effect upon the overall operating room environmental contamination.”

  • Ha’eri and Wiley, in 1980, applied human albumin microspheres to the interior of surgical masks in 20 operations. At the end of each operation, wound washings were examined under the microscope. “Particle contamination of the wound was demonstrated in all experiments.”

  • Laslett and Sabin, in 1989, found that caps and masks were not necessary during cardiac catheterization. “No infections were found in any patient, regardless of whether a cap or mask was used,” they wrote. Sjøl and Kelbaek came to the same conclusion in 2002.

  • In Tunevall’s 1991 study, a general surgical team wore no masks in half of their surgeries for two years. After 1,537 operations performed with masks, the wound infection rate was 4.7%, while after 1,551 operations performed without masks, the wound infection rate was only 3.5%.

  • A review by Skinner and Sutton in 2001 concluded that “The evidence for discontinuing the use of surgical face masks would appear to be stronger than the evidence available to support their continued use.

  • Lahme et al., in 2001, wrote that “surgical face masks worn by patients during regional anaesthesia, did not reduce the concentration of airborne bacteria over the operation field in our study. Thus they are dispensable.”

  • Figueiredo et al., in 2001, reported that in five years of doing peritoneal dialysis without masks, rates of peritonitis in their unit were no different than rates in hospitals where masks were worn.

  • Bahli did a systematic literature review in 2009 and found that “no significant difference in the incidence of postoperative wound infection was observed between masks groups and groups operated with no masks.

  • Surgeons at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden, recognizing the lack of evidence supporting the use of masks, ceased requiring them in 2010 for anesthesiologists and other non-scrubbed personnel in the operating room. “Our decision to no longer require routine surgical masks for personnel not scrubbed for surgery is a departure from common practice. But the evidence to support this practice does not exist,” wrote Dr. Eva Sellden.

  • Webster et al., in 2010, reported on obstetric, gynecological, general, orthopaedic, breast and urological surgeries performed on 827 patients. All non-scrubbed staff wore masks in half the surgeries, and none of the non-scrubbed staff wore masks in half the surgeries. Surgical site infections occurred in 11.5% of the Mask group, and in only 9.0% of the No Mask group.

  • Lipp and Edwards reviewed the surgical literature in 2014 and found “no statistically significant difference in infection rates between the masked and unmasked group in any of the trials.” Vincent and Edwards updated this review in 2016 and the conclusion was the same.

  • Carøe, in a 2014 review based on four studies and 6,006 patients, wrote that “none of the four studies found a difference in the number of post-operative infections whether you used a surgical mask or not.”

  • Salassa and Swiontkowski, in 2014, investigated the necessity of scrubs, masks and head coverings in the operating room and concluded that “there is no evidence that these measures reduce the prevalence of surgical site infection.”

  • Da Zhou et al., reviewing the literature in 2015, concluded that “there is a lack of substantial evidence to support claims that facemasks protect either patient or surgeon from infectious contamination.”

Schools in China are now prohibiting students from wearing masks while exercising. Why? Because it was killing them. It was depriving them of oxygen and it was killing them. At least three children died during Physical Education classes -- two of them while running on their school’s track while wearing a mask. And a 26-year-old man suffered a collapsed lung after running two and a half miles while wearing a mask.

Mandating masks has not kept death rates down anywhere. The 20 U.S. states that have never ordered people to wear face masks indoors and out have dramatically lower COVID-19 death rates than the 30 states that have mandated masks. Most of the no-mask states have COVID-19 death rates below 20 per 100,000 population, and none have a death rate higher than 55. All 13 states that have death rates higher 55 are states that have required the wearing of masks in all public places. It has not protected them.

“We are living in an atmosphere of permanent illness, of meaningless separation,” writes Benjamin Cherry in the Summer 2020 issue of New View magazine. A separation that is destroying lives, souls, and nature.
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* from Christopher Fry, A Sleep of Prisoners, 1951.

Arthur Firstenberg

August 11, 2020

 

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13 hours ago, Golden Retriever said:

 

I had the same situation a few days ago. I don't want to be on Zoom. I'm sure they can harvest facial and voice recogntion. Because I'm truly a tech dinosaur, I was able to bow out. 🙂

How will you deal with the facial recognition cameras in the streets up and down the country

do you have a strategy that will enable you to hide your identity from these cameras?

 

 

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2 minutes ago, oneantisworthtenofyou said:

How will you deal with the facial recognition cameras in the streets up and down the country

do you have a strategy that will enable you to hide your identity from these cameras?

 

 

 

It's a valid point, but people don't expect much privacy in a public setting where everyone can see you anyway. It's the intrusive crap that is spilling into our own homes that annoys me the most.

 

Edit: Not saying I support mass surveillance in public though, that sucks too.

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23 hours ago, Beaujangles said:

http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=5889

 

I read this...it mentions Mercury, Carbon Dioxide and Ammonia. At the bottom it mention liquid Nitrogen for freezing cells. I am not a chemist but maybe someone has some suggestions?

 

IIRC PEG - poly ethylene glycol - (anti-freeze) is another component in some of the concoctions and has a history of anaphylaxis.

 

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