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11 minutes ago, Beaujangles said:

http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=5889

 

I read this...it mentions Mercury, Carbon Dioxide and Ammonia. At the bottom it mention liquid Nitrogen for freezing cells. I am not a chemist but maybe someone has some suggestions?

 

I'd guess that this is due to lipids, the vaccine presumably delivers lipid coated mRNA ..and whatever else they choose to stick in there. Of course, the exact composition is a trade secret.

 

Would you let a stranger inject you with an unknown substance? Probably not.. However if the stranger sticks a white coat on and is called 'doc' it's OK?

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You wont believe this.   I just went down Lidls to get some steak.   Security guard calls me out as I walk past & I ignore him. Gets my steak walks to the credit only till

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What I referred to is a paradox. Most people have a real hard time dealing with the suggestion late 1960s was culturally and scientifically more advanced than today 2020. In 1969, they may have used pretty basic calculators to land men on the moon - but they did it! Could it be done today? In my view, no. Here is the bottom line: Today I.T. advanced a whole lot in the sense of stored data and mass communication. However, hard science has regressed, in my view. We couldn't land a man on the moon nowadays because we lack the equivalent of the elite scientists who pioneered Apollo and Soyuz. This isn't my view alone. What we see today is State funded research that follows an agenda - conforming to certain expectations. Boxed in a framework. What I encountered (all in all) taught me to be highly skeptical of modern research - hence the Covid phenomenon. Take the tests: People testing positive as we know, but actually quite healthy.Scientific? Just seems bizarre to me. I may be deviating a bit but for ages now I've noticed a major decline in hard science. If science was being taught in classrooms (as in the late 1960s) I think probably society would be better prepared to question dodgy Covid "science". You also wonder how many politicians ever studied biology or physics. Industrially, educationally and socially we are regressing. That's part of the problem. At least that's how I see it.

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I'm sick of people telling me to 'have a safe Christmas and new year'.  The next person who says it, I'm gonna turn round and say to them, 'Sorry. I'm base jumping off active volcanoes during the festive season. So can't promise I'll be safe. But I'll be fucking merry. Remember when we used to be merry? But you, you have a fucking safe xmas. Hope you're super safe. Enjoying safety, I mean really savouring it.' 

 

People are turning into that Nazi villain from Marathon Man:

 

 

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24 minutes ago, Shining-one said:

What I referred to is a paradox. Most people have a real hard time dealing with the suggestion late 1960s was culturally and scientifically more advanced than today 2020. In 1969, they may have used pretty basic calculators to land men on the moon - but they did it! Could it be done today? In my view, no. Here is the bottom line: Today I.T. advanced a whole lot in the sense of stored data and mass communication. However, hard science has regressed, in my view. We couldn't land a man on the moon nowadays because we lack the equivalent of the elite scientists who pioneered Apollo and Soyuz. This isn't my view alone. What we see today is State funded research that follows an agenda - conforming to certain expectations. Boxed in a framework. What I encountered (all in all) taught me to be highly skeptical of modern research - hence the Covid phenomenon. Take the tests: People testing positive as we know, but actually quite healthy.Scientific? Just seems bizarre to me. I may be deviating a bit but for ages now I've noticed a major decline in hard science. If science was being taught in classrooms (as in the late 1960s) I think probably society would be better prepared to question dodgy Covid "science". You also wonder how many politicians ever studied biology or physics. Industrially, educationally and socially we are regressing. That's part of the problem. At least that's how I see it.

 Amazing that someone with your undoubted intelligence thinks people walked on the moon 51 years ago.

I'm absolutely baffled.

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1 hour ago, Shining-one said:

I believe the erosion of free education sent us backwards

i worry that "free" things are not as good quality as things that are "paid" for 

 

what knowledge and information are the extremely wealthy young folk who attend 200 grand per year private schools receiving that FREE education doesn't teach "free" students

 

 

 

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39 minutes ago, Shining-one said:

What I referred to is a paradox. Most people have a real hard time dealing with the suggestion late 1960s was culturally and scientifically more advanced than today 2020. In 1969, they may have used pretty basic calculators to land men on the moon - but they did it! Could it be done today? In my view, no. Here is the bottom line: Today I.T. advanced a whole lot in the sense of stored data and mass communication. However, hard science has regressed, in my view. We couldn't land a man on the moon nowadays because we lack the equivalent of the elite scientists who pioneered Apollo and Soyuz. This isn't my view alone. What we see today is State funded research that follows an agenda - conforming to certain expectations. Boxed in a framework. What I encountered (all in all) taught me to be highly skeptical of modern research - hence the Covid phenomenon. Take the tests: People testing positive as we know, but actually quite healthy.Scientific? Just seems bizarre to me. I may be deviating a bit but for ages now I've noticed a major decline in hard science. If science was being taught in classrooms (as in the late 1960s) I think probably society would be better prepared to question dodgy Covid "science". You also wonder how many politicians ever studied biology or physics. Industrially, educationally and socially we are regressing. That's part of the problem. At least that's how I see it.

Elite scientists ? You mean the Nazis who built NASA ? Operation paperclip ? Those 'pioneers'

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Reciting the Iliad in Greek is pretty cool, but Bojo probably would have screwed ancient Greece too, and they wouldn't have had Wikipedia Early Life sections back then to notice wolves in sheeps clothing.

 

Now that I think about it, we have to be the dumbest generation ever. We have the tools to notice patterns and to see what motivates those in power, but we still don't bother.

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15 minutes ago, Ziggy Sawdust said:

 Amazing that someone with your undoubted intelligence thinks people walked on the moon 51 years ago.

I'm absolutely baffled.

 

I was thinking that. I mean, it's an extraordinary claim: We flew to the moon, fucked around for a bit, did a live stream and then flew all the way back. 

 

Surely anyone in their right mind would be sceptical about such an outlandish claim. I know I am. When someone claims to have flown to the moon and back, they better have some extraordinary proof. Especially when it comes from the same establishment that drafted the Operation Northwoods proposal. Deceit and trickery was very much a strategic reality in those days (still is, obviously). 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Oakwise said:

 

I was thinking that. I mean, it's an extraordinary claim: We flew to the moon, fucked around for a bit, did a live stream and then flew all the way back. 

 

Surely anyone in their right mind would be sceptical about such an outlandish claim. I know I am. When someone claims to have flown to the moon and back, they better have some extraordinary proof. Especially when it comes from the same establishment that drafted the Operation Northwoods proposal. Deceit and trickery was very much a strategic reality in those days (still is, obviously). 

 

 

1960's technology looks shockingly cumbersome 

i find it very hard to believe mankind managed to travel to the moon in that awful looking tin can of a spaceship 

and wearing that goldfish bowl helmet spacesuit for radiation protection too makes me laugh 

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, oneantisworthtenofyou said:

1960's technology looks shockingly cumbersome 

i find it very hard to believe mankind managed to travel to the moon in that awful looking tin can of a spaceship 

and wearing that goldfish bowl helmet spacesuit for radiation protection too makes me laugh 

 

I agree. Very dubious. 

 

You would also expect more trial and error in such a huge undertaking. Powered flight took about seventeen years to make it across the Atlantic. Yet they expect us to believe they flew 440,000 miles to the moon and back on such a short learning curve? It clearly doesn't add up. 

 

Something worth considering: There wasn't a long established history of terra-lunar travel; but there was a long established history of humans tricking other humans. Hoaxing is a clear reality with many cases throughout history. And when you consider that it's undoubtedly easier to hoax a moon landing than actually achieve it, you invariably reach the conclusion that the 1969 moon landing was a hoax. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Ziggy Sawdust said:

 Amazing that someone with your undoubted intelligence thinks people walked on the moon 51 years ago.

I'm absolutely baffled.

 

True....but then noone walks in an alien low-g environment but perfects instead the art of stafe jumping (aka bunny hopping)  ftw. Faster than the moon buggies when speed is built up and a sharp blade is carried. :classic_blink:

 

 

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5 hours ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

Preparations for a big extermination event to come was hinted at when back in the early 2000s they were stockpiling and storing hundreds of thousands of plastic containers big enough to hold 3 bodies each. At a loss to understand what other purpose they might serve it was assumed by many that these were to be used as caskets. This, as far as I'm concerned was my first evidence of a great horror to come.

 

Weren't they also off loading Guillotines at about the same time, also ?

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4 hours ago, oneantisworthtenofyou said:

1960's technology looks shockingly cumbersome 

i find it very hard to believe mankind managed to travel to the moon in that awful looking tin can of a spaceship 

and wearing that goldfish bowl helmet spacesuit for radiation protection too makes me laugh 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

Reciting the Iliad in Greek is pretty cool, but Bojo probably would have screwed ancient Greece too, and they wouldn't have had Wikipedia Early Life sections back then to notice wolves in sheeps clothing.

 

Now that I think about it, we have to be the dumbest generation ever. We have the tools to notice patterns and to see what motivates those in power, but we still don't bother.

Always said that in the internet we have at our disposal the greatest learning tool in the history of the world. Apart from maybe our brain.

The problem is the majority use technology to post photos of their lunch and animals in cute poses.

when I was a child I would have learnt more about a subject not just liked a photo of it.

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14 hours ago, Not-me said:

 

You are repeating gossip. The steps taken to limit the spread of covid-19 are fairly effective in limiting the spread of influenza. I am just amazed that you think healthcare workers are not aware of the differences between flu and covid-19, because that is your implication. 

 

 

 

Repeating gossip? What are you doing? Care to share any evidence to back up your ramblings?

 

Flu has been eradicated because of the measures weve taken? And you have the audacity to talk about other people promoting gossip. You are so far out of your depth it's not funny.

 

 

Why does masks and stuff eradicate flu but not SARS cov2? Why has countries like japan China korea not seen any statisically significant difference in their deaths even though they been wearing masks for decades?

 

I am one of these health care professionals you referenced who has a Msc and Mpharm after their name.

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2 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

My fam thinks I'm being a scrooge because I don't want to join a Christmas Zoom call. They know I don't even like posting photos on social media because I hate my biometrics being harvested, yet they want me on video. 2020 sucks.

 

Cellotape a picture of someone else in front of the camera and talk in a Bugs Bunny voice ? 

I'm sure that'll be fine :0) 

 

4 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

2020 sucks

 

Only a few more days to go... hang in there. 

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