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31 minutes ago, Shining-one said:

What I have no answer for is how to reverse the overall decline of education that finally provided fertile ground for pseudo-science. Personally, I believe the erosion of free education sent us backwards. So, 20 years ago, people would have challenged what's accepted today as gospel. It could prove very difficult to reverse the processes now taking place because younger people became conditioned to the way society now is. That is, they suffer high unemployment, no welfare system and pretty poor labour rights. Uni education isn't what it used to be and lagging in science. We have a very fertile ground for extremist ideology and third world dictatorship. Possibly to reverse the situation would require turning back the clock. Sadly history appears to show social and technological progress isn't a straight upward line, but a variable curve. We live in a new Dark Age where labour and money are the primary social pillars. Also worth considering how social media added to the decline in personal initiative and industry.

 

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On 12/23/2020 at 4:06 AM, Rolandson said:

Why does this vaccine not freeze? -70 degrees Celsius,it has to be frozen when it is a liquid. What is actually in it. 

http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=5889

 

I read this...it mentions Mercury, Carbon Dioxide and Ammonia. At the bottom it mention liquid Nitrogen for freezing cells. I am not a chemist but maybe someone has some suggestions?

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Interesting JRE podcast with two LA restaurant owners. They know something is wrong, but they're not quite grasping the full appalling nature of what's happening yet. Good to see people stirring though and good to see questions being asked on a show this big. Certainly seems like the Yanks are doing a bit better than us here in Europe, despite stereotypes about dumb Americans.

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11 minutes ago, Beaujangles said:

http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=5889

 

I read this...it mentions Mercury, Carbon Dioxide and Ammonia. At the bottom it mention liquid Nitrogen for freezing cells. I am not a chemist but maybe someone has some suggestions?

 

I'd guess that this is due to lipids, the vaccine presumably delivers lipid coated mRNA ..and whatever else they choose to stick in there. Of course, the exact composition is a trade secret.

 

Would you let a stranger inject you with an unknown substance? Probably not.. However if the stranger sticks a white coat on and is called 'doc' it's OK?

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What I referred to is a paradox. Most people have a real hard time dealing with the suggestion late 1960s was culturally and scientifically more advanced than today 2020. In 1969, they may have used pretty basic calculators to land men on the moon - but they did it! Could it be done today? In my view, no. Here is the bottom line: Today I.T. advanced a whole lot in the sense of stored data and mass communication. However, hard science has regressed, in my view. We couldn't land a man on the moon nowadays because we lack the equivalent of the elite scientists who pioneered Apollo and Soyuz. This isn't my view alone. What we see today is State funded research that follows an agenda - conforming to certain expectations. Boxed in a framework. What I encountered (all in all) taught me to be highly skeptical of modern research - hence the Covid phenomenon. Take the tests: People testing positive as we know, but actually quite healthy.Scientific? Just seems bizarre to me. I may be deviating a bit but for ages now I've noticed a major decline in hard science. If science was being taught in classrooms (as in the late 1960s) I think probably society would be better prepared to question dodgy Covid "science". You also wonder how many politicians ever studied biology or physics. Industrially, educationally and socially we are regressing. That's part of the problem. At least that's how I see it.

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I'm sick of people telling me to 'have a safe Christmas and new year'.  The next person who says it, I'm gonna turn round and say to them, 'Sorry. I'm base jumping off active volcanoes during the festive season. So can't promise I'll be safe. But I'll be fucking merry. Remember when we used to be merry? But you, you have a fucking safe xmas. Hope you're super safe. Enjoying safety, I mean really savouring it.' 

 

People are turning into that Nazi villain from Marathon Man:

 

 

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24 minutes ago, Shining-one said:

What I referred to is a paradox. Most people have a real hard time dealing with the suggestion late 1960s was culturally and scientifically more advanced than today 2020. In 1969, they may have used pretty basic calculators to land men on the moon - but they did it! Could it be done today? In my view, no. Here is the bottom line: Today I.T. advanced a whole lot in the sense of stored data and mass communication. However, hard science has regressed, in my view. We couldn't land a man on the moon nowadays because we lack the equivalent of the elite scientists who pioneered Apollo and Soyuz. This isn't my view alone. What we see today is State funded research that follows an agenda - conforming to certain expectations. Boxed in a framework. What I encountered (all in all) taught me to be highly skeptical of modern research - hence the Covid phenomenon. Take the tests: People testing positive as we know, but actually quite healthy.Scientific? Just seems bizarre to me. I may be deviating a bit but for ages now I've noticed a major decline in hard science. If science was being taught in classrooms (as in the late 1960s) I think probably society would be better prepared to question dodgy Covid "science". You also wonder how many politicians ever studied biology or physics. Industrially, educationally and socially we are regressing. That's part of the problem. At least that's how I see it.

 Amazing that someone with your undoubted intelligence thinks people walked on the moon 51 years ago.

I'm absolutely baffled.

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1 hour ago, Shining-one said:

I believe the erosion of free education sent us backwards

i worry that "free" things are not as good quality as things that are "paid" for 

 

what knowledge and information are the extremely wealthy young folk who attend 200 grand per year private schools receiving that FREE education doesn't teach "free" students

 

 

 

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39 minutes ago, Shining-one said:

What I referred to is a paradox. Most people have a real hard time dealing with the suggestion late 1960s was culturally and scientifically more advanced than today 2020. In 1969, they may have used pretty basic calculators to land men on the moon - but they did it! Could it be done today? In my view, no. Here is the bottom line: Today I.T. advanced a whole lot in the sense of stored data and mass communication. However, hard science has regressed, in my view. We couldn't land a man on the moon nowadays because we lack the equivalent of the elite scientists who pioneered Apollo and Soyuz. This isn't my view alone. What we see today is State funded research that follows an agenda - conforming to certain expectations. Boxed in a framework. What I encountered (all in all) taught me to be highly skeptical of modern research - hence the Covid phenomenon. Take the tests: People testing positive as we know, but actually quite healthy.Scientific? Just seems bizarre to me. I may be deviating a bit but for ages now I've noticed a major decline in hard science. If science was being taught in classrooms (as in the late 1960s) I think probably society would be better prepared to question dodgy Covid "science". You also wonder how many politicians ever studied biology or physics. Industrially, educationally and socially we are regressing. That's part of the problem. At least that's how I see it.

Elite scientists ? You mean the Nazis who built NASA ? Operation paperclip ? Those 'pioneers'

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Reciting the Iliad in Greek is pretty cool, but Bojo probably would have screwed ancient Greece too, and they wouldn't have had Wikipedia Early Life sections back then to notice wolves in sheeps clothing.

 

Now that I think about it, we have to be the dumbest generation ever. We have the tools to notice patterns and to see what motivates those in power, but we still don't bother.

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15 minutes ago, Ziggy Sawdust said:

 Amazing that someone with your undoubted intelligence thinks people walked on the moon 51 years ago.

I'm absolutely baffled.

 

I was thinking that. I mean, it's an extraordinary claim: We flew to the moon, fucked around for a bit, did a live stream and then flew all the way back. 

 

Surely anyone in their right mind would be sceptical about such an outlandish claim. I know I am. When someone claims to have flown to the moon and back, they better have some extraordinary proof. Especially when it comes from the same establishment that drafted the Operation Northwoods proposal. Deceit and trickery was very much a strategic reality in those days (still is, obviously). 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Oakwise said:

 

I was thinking that. I mean, it's an extraordinary claim: We flew to the moon, fucked around for a bit, did a live stream and then flew all the way back. 

 

Surely anyone in their right mind would be sceptical about such an outlandish claim. I know I am. When someone claims to have flown to the moon and back, they better have some extraordinary proof. Especially when it comes from the same establishment that drafted the Operation Northwoods proposal. Deceit and trickery was very much a strategic reality in those days (still is, obviously). 

 

 

1960's technology looks shockingly cumbersome 

i find it very hard to believe mankind managed to travel to the moon in that awful looking tin can of a spaceship 

and wearing that goldfish bowl helmet spacesuit for radiation protection too makes me laugh 

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, oneantisworthtenofyou said:

1960's technology looks shockingly cumbersome 

i find it very hard to believe mankind managed to travel to the moon in that awful looking tin can of a spaceship 

and wearing that goldfish bowl helmet spacesuit for radiation protection too makes me laugh 

 

I agree. Very dubious. 

 

You would also expect more trial and error in such a huge undertaking. Powered flight took about seventeen years to make it across the Atlantic. Yet they expect us to believe they flew 440,000 miles to the moon and back on such a short learning curve? It clearly doesn't add up. 

 

Something worth considering: There wasn't a long established history of terra-lunar travel; but there was a long established history of humans tricking other humans. Hoaxing is a clear reality with many cases throughout history. And when you consider that it's undoubtedly easier to hoax a moon landing than actually achieve it, you invariably reach the conclusion that the 1969 moon landing was a hoax. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Ziggy Sawdust said:

 Amazing that someone with your undoubted intelligence thinks people walked on the moon 51 years ago.

I'm absolutely baffled.

 

True....but then noone walks in an alien low-g environment but perfects instead the art of stafe jumping (aka bunny hopping)  ftw. Faster than the moon buggies when speed is built up and a sharp blade is carried. :classic_blink:

 

 

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5 hours ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

Preparations for a big extermination event to come was hinted at when back in the early 2000s they were stockpiling and storing hundreds of thousands of plastic containers big enough to hold 3 bodies each. At a loss to understand what other purpose they might serve it was assumed by many that these were to be used as caskets. This, as far as I'm concerned was my first evidence of a great horror to come.

 

Weren't they also off loading Guillotines at about the same time, also ?

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