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11 minutes ago, Not-me said:

 

You are repeating gossip. The steps taken to limit the spread of covid-19 are fairly effective in limiting the spread of influenza. I am just amazed that you think healthcare workers are not aware of the differences between flu and covid-19, because that is your implication. 

 

 

 

Wrong.

 

"Because some of the symptoms of flu and COVID-19 are similar, it may be hard to tell the difference between them based on symptoms alone, and testing may be needed to help confirm a diagnosis. Flu and COVID-19 share many characteristics, but there are some key differences between the two"

 

And the unreliable tests?

Similarities:

Both COVID-19 and flu can have varying degrees of signs and symptoms, ranging from no symptoms (asymptomatic) to severe symptoms. Common symptoms that COVID-19 and flu share include:

  • Fever or feeling feverish/chills
  • Cough
  • Shortness of breath or difficulty breathing
  • Fatigue (tiredness)
  • Sore throat
  • Runny or stuffy nose
  • Muscle pain or body aches
  • Headache
  • Some people may have vomiting and diarrhea, though this is more common in children than adults

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Not-me said:

 

Old Mactruther had a farm, e i e i o.

With an ad hominem here, an ad hominem there, here a sodding ad hominem, there yet another one....blah blah.

 

You people must really be afraid to have your views challenged. Shut me up with argument.

Insults and stuff just make me laugh.

 

Have you run out of a medication by any chance? Are you on whizz?

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My whole gripe about masks is based on the approach. Democracies where freedom is valued "explain" and try to encourage measures where a crisis is assumed. Personally I respect the obvious fear some people have so I avoid causing upset to them. Many are terrified. However, what's wrong is the actual contempt shown by governments for personal choice and freedom. Trying to force untested vaccinations as well as fining people for meeting with others. Dictating our life and even censoring views of those who disagree with obligatory vaccination. Apparently this goes as far as removal of arguments that oppose orthodox ideology - it targets many highly qualified researchers as well as worried parents. As I say, democracies recommend and seek public co-operation. Democracies don't fine, intimidate or force people into submission by fear. My grandad before he died fought in WW2 to save future generations from what people now appear to accept as "normal". I think it's saddening to see so many people losing what former generations fought to secure them.

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1 hour ago, Not-me said:

 

I don't disagree with any of that. I've seen too many mask wearers wearing blue masks caked in a thousand times worn shite.

Me too.  Then they keep touching it and then touching everything in sight! Bring back the days of tissues and bins. Not this disgusting sneezing in your arm pit. These people are spreading more germs than anyone. It does turn my stomach. Never been good with snot. 

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1 hour ago, DarianF said:

 

Okay. I'll take your word for it. But I'm sure the PCR testing was rigorous. 😎

 

Can’t we lose this guy. Surely the forum is about exploring information from around the globe, not a platform for some pretentious bi-ped to toss sarcasm, attempted wit and innocuous interjections into the mix. Please go and find a new user name and post your pseudo academia's onto a forum that gives a shit. 

Merry Christmas - go help Mother peel the sprouts. 

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12 minutes ago, Not-me said:

 

Yeah, but that doesn't work at an immediate friends and family level. I've seen and heard enough and I am amazed that you haven't.

 

Oh I have.

A mate of mine who worked 40 years in the NHS (and his wife) just a few months ago had one of their sons unable to breath!

They phoned up everyone and were told "Well it is covid and there is nothing we can do."

My mate put up with that for an hour or so but his boy was struggling to breath and so they pestered the 111 service and got paramedics out, who said "Well it is covid and there is nothing we can do."

 

In the middle of the night his son was dieing and so he took him to ER and they said "Well it is covid and there is nothing we can do."

 

But my mate knew better and close enough forced then to treat his son for the asthma he has always had and been treated for in the past!

His boy stayed over night and left with a NEGATIVE test the next day.

 

You need to wake up mate as that could have been your child and if you didn't do what my mate did then your child would have died of covid.

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9 minutes ago, Chris K said:

 

Can’t we lose this guy. Surely the forum is about exploring information from around the globe, not a platform for some pretentious bi-ped to toss sarcasm, attempted wit and innocuous interjections into the mix. Please go and find a new user name and post your pseudo academia's onto a forum that gives a shit. 

Merry Christmas - go help Mother peel the sprouts. 

 

I'm shocked he's been allowed to remain on here.

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6 minutes ago, Odie Hatzcats said:

 

Oh I have.

A mate of mine who worked 40 years in the NHS (and his wife) just a few months ago had one of their sons unable to breath!

They phoned up everyone and were told "Well it is covid and there is nothing we can do."

My mate put up with that for an hour or so but his boy was struggling to breath and so they pestered the 111 service and got paramedics out, who said "Well it is covid and there is nothing we can do."

 

In the middle of the night his son was dieing and so he took him to ER and they said "Well it is covid and there is nothing we can do."

 

But my mate knew better and close enough forced then to treat his son for the asthma he has always had and been treated for in the past!

His boy stayed over night and left with a NEGATIVE test the next day.

 

You need to wake up mate as that could have been your child and if you didn't do what my mate did then your child would have died of covid.

 

None of that is good. It's a bloody joke that people are fobbed off for something like that. But if he had asthma, maybe he should have mentioned it. Get your magnesium tablets.

 

My next door neighbour's neighbour had covid-19 + and has only just emerged looking about a stone lighter. I asked him if it was the flu and he was in no doubt as to how different it was.

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2 minutes ago, Barftime said:

 

None of that is good. It's a bloody joke that people are fobbed off for something like that. But if he had asthma, maybe he should have mentioned it. Get your magnesium tablets.

 

My next door neighbour's neighbour had covid-19 + and has only just emerged looking about a stone lighter. I asked him if it was the flu and he was in no doubt as to how different it was.

 

Oh no, another one.

First post too.

If the obvious trolls are not removed I'm leaving this forum.

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1 hour ago, Bombadil said:

For me personally the problem is not so much wether a mask is effective or not. The main problem now is that if there is real pandemic it would be logical for 5he government to regulate the type of masks used. Clearly an enormous difference between all makes. Too much profiteering and not enough done to guarantee as much effectiveness as possible.

Also any mask is only as effective as it seal. The space around the nasal to mouth area with for example standardised paper type masks is quite large.

yet again if this is all real, the government should really be clamping down on profiteering over health protection.

If you read the wording of these edicts, it says face covering, not mask. Either way, its flawed as we know prolonged mask wearing causes more damage in the long run. 

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30 minutes ago, Shining-one said:

My whole gripe about masks is based on the approach. Democracies where freedom is valued "explain" and try to encourage measures where a crisis is assumed. Personally I respect the obvious fear some people have so I avoid causing upset to them. Many are terrified. However, what's wrong is the actual contempt shown by governments for personal choice and freedom. Trying to force untested vaccinations as well as fining people for meeting with others. Dictating our life and even censoring views of those who disagree with obligatory vaccination. Apparently this goes as far as removal of arguments that oppose orthodox ideology - it targets many highly qualified researchers as well as worried parents. As I say, democracies recommend and seek public co-operation. Democracies don't fine, intimidate or force people into submission by fear. My grandad before he died fought in WW2 to save future generations from what people now appear to accept as "normal". I think it's saddening to see so many people losing what former generations fought to secure them.

With all due respect to your grandfather who I am sure was an honorable man I feel compelled to say that he was sent to slaughter by the very people he made the ultimate sacrifice to stop. If anything the loss of brave fighting men helped consolodite the deathgrip of the tyrants over the masses. In other words the freedoms we assumed to be the product of these sacrifices was illusion.

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14 minutes ago, Ziggy Sawdust said:

If the obvious trolls are not removed I'm leaving this forum.


Chill dude..
lt's nothing in the bigger picture.

BC

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1 hour ago, Golden Retriever said:

 

Wrong.

 

"Because some of the symptoms of flu and COVID-19 are similar, it may be hard to tell the difference between them based on symptoms alone, and testing may be needed to help confirm a diagnosis. Flu and COVID-19 share many characteristics, but there are some key differences between the two"

 

And the unreliable tests?

Similarities:

Both COVID-19 and flu can have varying degrees of signs and symptoms, ranging from no symptoms (asymptomatic) to severe symptoms. Common symptoms that COVID-19 and flu share include:

  • Fever or feeling feverish/chills
  • Cough
  • Shortness of breath or difficulty breathing
  • Fatigue (tiredness)
  • Sore throat
  • Runny or stuffy nose
  • Muscle pain or body aches
  • Headache
  • Some people may have vomiting and diarrhea, though this is more common in children than adults

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm

 

 

Jude Diggins, deputy director of nursing at the Royal College of Nursing, told Nursing Times she was hopeful there would be an increase in uptake across the profession this year.

Although she understood there would be some who were not suitable for the vaccine, Ms Diggins said: “This year more than ever the importance of flu jabs is paramount.”

She also noted that flu symptoms were “not that dissimilar” from Covid-19, explaining that if nurses had the flu vaccine it would “make it a little bit easier to either rule in or rule out” coronavirus. There you have it. Get the flu jab so you know if you’re ill you’ll have COVID-19 instead!  
https://www.nursingtimes.net/news/public-health/nursing-times-survey-reveals-views-on-flu-and-covid-19-vaccines-03-11-2020/

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