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So apparently Aberdeen Royal Infirmary is filled with covid patients and ambulances are having to wait.

I waited to question this and have asked several staff who I know and they confirmed there are no beds available, it's chaotic.

 

Hmm!!

 

So sounds like folk are being hospitalised for the flu to make it look worse than it is.

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24 minutes ago, alexa said:

 

I'm out of likes. 👍

 

Thank you - it a shame words are not contemplated and comprehended in their meaning and power or how in turn meaning reflects on volition.

 

The gravity of ignorance is of such consequence that to the masses, it is unimaginable.

Hard to believe the gift of the internet was in everyones grasp and they did not understand the meaning of the word plight or ever delve into and through history.

 

Please archive what is important to you.

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What we need to be aware in the UK is that they are now trying to change the Human Rights which we are not discussing so far. Whatever changes they are making, it won't be good for us and we may not be able to say it's discrimination. One to watch out for. I'm sure there are some barristers who are looking into it though.

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1 hour ago, allymisfit said:

So apparently Aberdeen Royal Infirmary is filled with covid patients and ambulances are having to wait.

I waited to question this and have asked several staff who I know and they confirmed there are no beds available, it's chaotic.

 

Hmm!!

 

So sounds like folk are being hospitalised for the flu to make it look worse than it is.

Remember.  Beds are always short or non existent in our underfunded nhs this time of year. They've also removed 10000 beds from the system for covid spacing 'reasons.' Staff are having to isolate if they get a cough or cold having previously been forced to work unless actually dying

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2 minutes ago, kj35 said:

Remember.  Beds are always short or non existent in our underfunded nhs this time of year. They've also removed 10000 beds from the system for covid spacing 'reasons.' Staff are having to isolate if they get a cough or cold having previously been forced to work unless actually dying

Ooh that's a good point! 

The media is totally milking it here.

 

Thanks :D 

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10 minutes ago, kj35 said:

It's paywalled.  Can anyone unlock it?

 

It let me view it free, first load. Then it paywalled me. Damn it, I should have taken a screenshot. From memory, it said something like David Icke and Alex Jones should have a say in the vaccine selection, eliminating placebos - or something like that. Mocking tone of course. Typical MSM crap.

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Copied from the financial Times

 

 

Guess whose Christmas isn’t cancelled? Boris and Carrie could still legally have a rather merry Christmas if they wanted to.Well not this year! Because — lucky all of us — several forces appear to have combined to liven things up really quite a lot. Turning on the radio has never felt more like an episode of Black Mirror and, frankly, we needed that kind of excitement to round off 2020. And what could liven things up more at Christmas time than Christmas being cancelled? (OK yes aside from our borders closing and a new “Super-Covid” mutant virus strain and an even more panicky round of panic-buying and a fast-approaching no-deal Brexit?) But despite the headlines, not everybody’s Christmas has been cancelled. For a start, of course, if you’re not in a Tier 4 area, you can still mix with two other households on Christmas Day itself. And, because of the “linked household” — ie support bubble — exemption, what that in fact means is that up to six households can in fact legally mix if each of those households is linked up with another. (If this is all a bit confusing, barrister Adam Wagner has done a good job of explaining it on his YouTube channel.) As Boris Johnson pointed out during his press conference on Saturday night, that doesn’t mean people should actually be aiming to mix that much. But they could do, legally speaking. Even if you are in Tier 4, you can still get together with another household if you’re in a support bubble with them. Boris also mentioned this during the press conference on Saturday, saying this rule would remain in place “for those of particular risk of loneliness or isolation”. And we all know that includes people who live alone or single parents — for good reason. But what we hadn’t noticed until now is that it also includes another group of people. The odd thing about this group is that we haven’t heard them being mentioned by either the prime minister or other government ministers in press conferences or any media appearances. And you would have thought an exemption that applies to, by our estimates, about three-quarters of a million households in the UK might have come up. After all, not everyone has the time to wade through the pages of ever- changing coronavirus legislations (or even the capacity to work out what they actually mean). Fret not though, because you don’t actually have to when you have FT Alphaville (h/t to a Kelly relative for drawing our attention to this). Take a look at the highlighted bit here: How many of you knew about this exemption? Our impression is that it is not widely known about, and yet it means that any household that includes a baby who was under the age of 1 on December 2 (when this new exemption came into law) is allowed to form a support bubble with another household of any size, and in any tier. Even if that household includes multiple other adults and/or children, it still appears to be allowed. Now, we imagine that if you’re the one whose job it is to set the rules, you probably are aware of all these exemptions. And, Christmas cracker question: can you think of anyone who sets the rules who has a baby under the age of one (as well as an unknown number of other children above the age of one)? © Getty Images That’s right. Boris Johnson and Carrie Symonds’ baby Wilfred Lawrie Nicholas Johnson was born on April 29 of this year, and thus their household is allowed to bubble up with another household of any size, both over Christmas and indeed at any time. Now we wouldn’t want to comment on whether Boris’s own family would want to spend some time with him over Christmas, but what about Carrie’s? Downing Street told us the prime minister would remain at Downing Street on Christmas Day, but declined to comment on whether he and Ms Symonds would be joined by members of a support bubble, or indeed whether they had made use of the linked household exemption that applies to them since it came into law on December 2nd. Downing Street also declined to comment on where the prime minister and his fiancée would be spending the days after Christmas, saying such details are not usually disclosed about the prime minister. But we do find it quite odd that a rule that applies to (again per our estimates) well over a million adults hasn’t been properly communicated to the public. Even Larry the Number 10 Cat doesn’t seem to have understood the implications: We’re not quite sure we understand the rationale for the exemption. If it’s about giving mothers with postnatal depression a break, we can kind of understand that, but we are talking here about those who have partners (or at least one other adult living with them) so one would hope that in the majority of these cases, that partner can provide at least some support. And if this is the rationale, what about exemptions for other depressed people? Surely new parents living together are not the highest-risk category for those suffering from “loneliness or isolation”? We are of course not so cynical as to be suggesting that the rules have been deliberately tailored to give the prime minister’s family some leeway (what do you take us for). We just wanted to make sure you understood the rules so that you can have a happy Christmas while avoiding a criminal record. Enjoy your walks with one other person and your freezing outdoor swims and your last unrationed imports and your merry grouse-shooting (yes the “outdoor activity” loophole is still in place in Tiers 1, 2 and 3). 

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"any household that includes a baby who was under the age of 1 on December 2 (when this new exemption came into law) is allowed to form a support bubble with another household of any size, and in any tier. Even if that household includes multiple other adults and/or children, it still appears to be allowed. Now, we imagine that if you’re the one whose job it is to set the rules, you probably are aware of all these exemptions. And, Christmas cracker question: can you think of anyone who sets the rules who has a baby under the age of one" That’s right. Boris Johnson and Carrie Symonds

absolute fucking bastards

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2 hours ago, Basket Case said:

DR. MICHAEL YEADON: MANDATORY AND COERCED VACCINATION WOULD BE AGAINST THE NUREMBERG CODE..

Talk Radio...cannot find it on yewtube.

Here on Bitchute; (2 minute clip) https://www.bitchute.com/video/kcIcNAMoxhWf/  

 

Yes -  the nuremberg code is the one that carries most weight imo.

 

As an aside, I am not convinced by the self elected UN's effort "the declaration of human rights"

They assert themselves as self appointed arbiters of morality. (Their actions suggest otherwise)

The title itself uses socialist collectivism "Human  to start which immediately negates the individual by addressing each one of us as a group - They insult!

The language employed is UCC legalese whereby the "person" is the commercial entity and as such is defined by the state. Again negating the individual and possibly our species.

 

"Equality" is another "useful" diversion which subverts the primary individuals rights, instead focusing on subjective issue.

If natural primary individual rights are observed, then all other "rights" are observed by default. 

As "law" stands our Principles are censored by omission !

 

...and thats another aspect that is non congruent with contemporary platitudes.

 

The idea that Law is above Principle in itself is anathema to the moral self rationalising individual.

 

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2 hours ago, kj35 said:

It's paywalled.  Can anyone unlock it?

Earlier this week we suggested the best way to counter vaccine fears and conspiracies was with creative-minded solutions, not authoritarian-sounding declarations about compulsory vaccination programmes. 

There were three main alternative strategies we offered.

One: Bigging up messaging that highlighted the public duty of getting vaccinated, something we believe would work wonders with all those inclined to signal their virtuous acts loudly across social media.

Two: Getting high-profile celebrities, officials and leaders to take the vaccine first so as to drum up public confidence in its safety. This would be akin to a “skin in the game” strategy and would be especially effective with the conspiracy-inclined if it featured those who have become central figures in conspiracy narratives such as Bill Gates, The Queen, Joe Biden etc etc. 

Three: Launching counter-conspiracies that would challenge the accepted conspiratorial view that it’s the vaccine that should not be trusted rather than the virus itself. Like the idea that the vaccine is actually here to save us from Alien colonisation. 

It didn’t take long for the system to provide.

In a weird on-air rendition of the game of chicken, Piers Morgan started the ball rolling on Wednesday when he challenged Matt Hancock, the UK health secretary, to take the vaccine live on air with him if it helped to reassure the public about its safety. Hancock agreed, providing the act was approved since Morgan didn’t qualify as priority case, being a healthy middle-aged man.

Nicola Sturgeon has now supposedly followed suit, promising to also join in with the live spectacle and Boris Johnson might too, according to the Daily Mail. 

On the same day, the Washington Post’s Alyssa Rosenberg argued that Biden and Harris should get vaccinated live on TV too, saying:

Biden and Harris can use their inoculations to take the public inside the vaccine development and delivery process and, in doing so, build confidence in an unprecedented scientific accomplishment. Such a concrete demonstration of the vaccines could also help Americans recommit to the public health measures that will be a bridge between our current disaster and the new normal we all hope will be here soon.

Soon after that former US president Barack Obama’s declared that he would be happy to take the vaccine publicly too. And he is now also being joined by former presidents George Bush and Bill Clinton.

o the big question now is: will this sort of thing actually reassure the public? A Gallup poll earlier in November had found 42 per cent of Americans had doubts about the vaccine. 

The initial feedback from the doubters is “no it won’t”, because “how do we know they’re not getting a placebo”?

Our own preferred control for this vulnerability (at least in the dystopian world of 2020) is of course enlisting well-known conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones and David Icke to pick out the samples to be used from batches which would otherwise be destined for general public consumption. The delivery and administration of the sample should then be supervised by 12 honest individuals picked at random from among the public in a similar way juries are constructed. 

What’s not to like? 

Not much. Apart from . . . one small thing: the clear and present danger that any overly successful adoption by the rich and privileged leads the conspiracy minded to conclude that was actually the plan all along.

That is to say they begin to believe their fears were intentionally cultivated so as to ensure the vaccine could and would be harmoniously distributed to the rich and the privileged first. 

Yep, there’s no end to the potential game theoretical strategising. We assume 2020 will be enough to keep behavioural economists busy for many decades

 

 

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41 minutes ago, Liberty said:

Earlier this week we suggested the best way to counter vaccine fears and conspiracies was with creative-minded solutions, not authoritarian-sounding declarations about compulsory vaccination programmes. 

There were three main alternative strategies we offered.

One: Bigging up messaging that highlighted the public duty of getting vaccinated, something we believe would work wonders with all those inclined to signal their virtuous acts loudly across social media.

Two: Getting high-profile celebrities, officials and leaders to take the vaccine first so as to drum up public confidence in its safety. This would be akin to a “skin in the game” strategy and would be especially effective with the conspiracy-inclined if it featured those who have become central figures in conspiracy narratives such as Bill Gates, The Queen, Joe Biden etc etc. 

Three: Launching counter-conspiracies that would challenge the accepted conspiratorial view that it’s the vaccine that should not be trusted rather than the virus itself. Like the idea that the vaccine is actually here to save us from Alien colonisation. 

It didn’t take long for the system to provide.

In a weird on-air rendition of the game of chicken, Piers Morgan started the ball rolling on Wednesday when he challenged Matt Hancock, the UK health secretary, to take the vaccine live on air with him if it helped to reassure the public about its safety. Hancock agreed, providing the act was approved since Morgan didn’t qualify as priority case, being a healthy middle-aged man.

Nicola Sturgeon has now supposedly followed suit, promising to also join in with the live spectacle and Boris Johnson might too, according to the Daily Mail. 

On the same day, the Washington Post’s Alyssa Rosenberg argued that Biden and Harris should get vaccinated live on TV too, saying:

Biden and Harris can use their inoculations to take the public inside the vaccine development and delivery process and, in doing so, build confidence in an unprecedented scientific accomplishment. Such a concrete demonstration of the vaccines could also help Americans recommit to the public health measures that will be a bridge between our current disaster and the new normal we all hope will be here soon.

Soon after that former US president Barack Obama’s declared that he would be happy to take the vaccine publicly too. And he is now also being joined by former presidents George Bush and Bill Clinton.

o the big question now is: will this sort of thing actually reassure the public? A Gallup poll earlier in November had found 42 per cent of Americans had doubts about the vaccine. 

The initial feedback from the doubters is “no it won’t”, because “how do we know they’re not getting a placebo”?

Our own preferred control for this vulnerability (at least in the dystopian world of 2020) is of course enlisting well-known conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones and David Icke to pick out the samples to be used from batches which would otherwise be destined for general public consumption. The delivery and administration of the sample should then be supervised by 12 honest individuals picked at random from among the public in a similar way juries are constructed. 

What’s not to like? 

Not much. Apart from . . . one small thing: the clear and present danger that any overly successful adoption by the rich and privileged leads the conspiracy minded to conclude that was actually the plan all along.

That is to say they begin to believe their fears were intentionally cultivated so as to ensure the vaccine could and would be harmoniously distributed to the rich and the privileged first. 

Yep, there’s no end to the potential game theoretical strategising. We assume 2020 will be enough to keep behavioural economists busy for many decades

 

 

Lmfao my sides!! They really do not understand us at all! The great extent of their professional think tanking is "hey, let's double down on our propaganda to people who have become immune to our propaganda!"

 

1. We're not the group that likes to virtue signal across social media (and many of us are banned anyway).

 

2. We don't trust "high profile celebrities" or hold them in any regard or put any merit in what they do or say.

 

3. "Launching counter conspiracies", so they admit to lying to the very people who suspect (know) they are being lied to, and who do not trust them in the first place.

 

Idiotic isn't the word for it! All we want is truth and decency. The very things they are inherently incapable of.

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The COVID Finder General for Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon is caught breaking Scottish CV law by not wearing a face covering in a pub when not seated.

 

NICOLA Sturgeon breaks her own Covid law by chatting to pensioners in a pub without wearing a face mask.

The First Minister apologised over the embarrassing blunder at a funeral wake.

Ms Sturgeon — who repeated rules on covering up during a parly speech today — said of her gaffe in Edinburgh: “This was a stupid mistake and I’m really sorry.”

The First Minister admitted she was "kicking herself" and said she was “in the wrong” and had no excuses after breaching her own Covid rules.

Under a law passed by SNP ministers, customers in hospitality settings must cover up unless seated at a table.

After we flagged up the snap to the Scottish Government, Ms Sturgeon said: “Last Friday, while attending a funeral wake, I had my mask off briefly. This was a stupid mistake and I’m really sorry.

“I talk every day about the importance of masks, so I’m not going to offer any exc­uses. I was in the wrong, I’m kicking myself and I’m sorry.”

The photograph showing Ms Sturgeon leaning on the back of a chair with her left hand was taken at the Stable Bar and Restaurant.

 

sturgeon-watermark.png?strip=all&w=956

Full story at https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/6442097/nicola-sturgeon-sorry-mask-covid-breach/

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2 hours ago, Orange Alert said:

The COVID Finder General for Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon is caught breaking Scottish CV law by not wearing a face covering in a pub when not seated.

 

NICOLA Sturgeon breaks her own Covid law by chatting to pensioners in a pub without wearing a face mask.

The First Minister apologised over the embarrassing blunder at a funeral wake.

Ms Sturgeon — who repeated rules on covering up during a parly speech today — said of her gaffe in Edinburgh: “This was a stupid mistake and I’m really sorry.”

The First Minister admitted she was "kicking herself" and said she was “in the wrong” and had no excuses after breaching her own Covid rules.

Under a law passed by SNP ministers, customers in hospitality settings must cover up unless seated at a table.

After we flagged up the snap to the Scottish Government, Ms Sturgeon said: “Last Friday, while attending a funeral wake, I had my mask off briefly. This was a stupid mistake and I’m really sorry.

“I talk every day about the importance of masks, so I’m not going to offer any exc­uses. I was in the wrong, I’m kicking myself and I’m sorry.”

The photograph showing Ms Sturgeon leaning on the back of a chair with her left hand was taken at the Stable Bar and Restaurant.

 

sturgeon-watermark.png?strip=all&w=956

Full story at https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/6442097/nicola-sturgeon-sorry-mask-covid-breach/

 

 

Out of likes .....  this will go viral hopefully.

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Tesco..........always the first :classic_rolleyes:

 

Tesco tells shoppers they can only make three purchases of eggs, rice, soap and toilet roll amid fears that food shortages will run until after Christmas

Delays at the Port of Dover and stricter Covid measures spark panic buying fears

Tesco maintains it has 'good availability' of fresh products imported from France 

Restrictions in place for flour, pasta, toilet roll, baby wipes and anti-bac wipes

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