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Businesses going bust by the hour because of a mainly asymptomatic virus.

 

I don't believe the media wish to expose the level of hardship inflicted on citizens who have

already lost their jobs worldwide. I dread to think the number of people going hungry in 2021.

 

The Café de Paris is a London nightclub, located in the West End, beside Leicester Square on Coventry Street, Piccadilly. Opened in 1924, it became one of the leading theatre clubs in London.

 

 

 

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This business with France closing the border to the UK has really fucked up our day at work today.

 

But on reflection, I don't blame them (France) for reacting the way that they have.

 

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and now I'm reminded of earlier this year when the UK went into lockdown.

 

WHY DID WE NOT CLOSE OUR OWN BORDERS LIKE THIS??

 

We continued to allow people to enter the UK by air, by boat or by vehicle through the Channel Tunnel.

 

Maybe now we'll start turning these dinghies full of illegal immigrants around and send them back.

 

Or maybe not.

 

This is all bullshit. Has anyone actually presented any evidence of this 'new mutant strain' of virus?

 

Is this all an excuse to just further cripple transport links between the UK and EU ahead of Brexit?

 

Is the UK about to become the next 'pariah nation', to be blamed for this new 'third wave' of Covid?

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

This business with France closing the border to the UK has really fucked up our day at work today.

 

But on reflection, I don't blame them (France) for reacting the way that they have.

 

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and now I'm reminded of earlier this year when the UK went into lockdown.

 

WHY DID WE NOT CLOSE OUR OWN BORDERS LIKE THIS??

 

We continued to allow people to enter the UK by air, by boat or by vehicle through the Channel Tunnel.

 

Maybe now we'll start turning these dinghies full of illegal immigrants around and send them back.

 

Or maybe not.

 

This is all bullshit. Has anyone actually presented any evidence of this 'new mutant strain' of virus?

 

Is this all an excuse to just further cripple transport links between the UK and EU ahead of Brexit?

 

Is the UK about to become the next 'pariah nation', to be blamed for this new 'third wave' of Covid?

 

 

 

Think about it... If you're the Cult and you've successfully suckered 99% of the human population into believing the first official Covid fairy-tale, why not go for broke and pull a new fake virus story out of your arse? You know they'll swallow that too.

 

Hell, at this point if you told them a magic purple tea pot was launched into orbit in 1596 by Elon Musk, who time travelled back to save humanity by coding the tea pot to beam a special message to warn us about Covid in advance, they'd fkn believe it at this point.

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6 minutes ago, DarianF said:

 

Think about it... If you're the Cult and you've successfully suckered 99% of the human population into believing the first official Covid fairy-tale, why not go for broke and pull a new fake virus story out of your arse? You know they'll swallow that too.

 

Hell, at this point if you told them a magic purple tea pot was launched into orbit in 1596 by Elon Musk, who time travelled back to save humanity by coding the tea pot to beam a special message to warn us about Covid in advance, they'd fkn believe it at this point.

 

Then the BBC will write a nice article about how we can talk to conspiracy theorists who don't believe Elon Musk time travelled and launched a teapot into space.

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7 hours ago, Shining-one said:

I study psychology and neurology very seriously and that includes access I have to Soviet research. Few people realise how "real" psychosomatic illness is. Even the familiar panic attacks are often mistaken for actual heart attacks by medics. In 2012 in Sri Lanka, there was also a huge wave of symptoms pretty identical to Covid. At least 2000 hospitalised. It was finally put down to psychogenic mass hysteria. That is, physical symptoms of flu caused by hysteria. In the same way, symptoms such as rashes, temperature and internal pain can be caused by neurotic hysteria. I believe part of the Covid symptom phenomenon is real but a huge part of it is psychosomatic, hysterical reaction.

This is an interesting area. Could you start a separate thread on it with any material?  Lockdown effects cause increased risk of systemic problems from what I’ve already read. I thought it was more to do with isolation itself but from what you are saying it is more how one would cope with it or that impending feeling of doom either from a deadly virus from their view or a tyrannical government from ours.  Either way knowing more about coping mechanisms and understanding it would help. 

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34 minutes ago, Illmatic said:

 

Yes they were good points! Take all the advice and use it to more effectively talk with friends and family brainwashed by the BBC 😂

Dropping little seeds of information is better than lots in one go too. People like to think they came to the conclusions themselves. No one likes to have views pushed onto them.   

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12 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

This business with France closing the border to the UK has really fucked up our day at work today.

 

But on reflection, I don't blame them (France) for reacting the way that they have.

 

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and now I'm reminded of earlier this year when the UK went into lockdown.

 

WHY DID WE NOT CLOSE OUR OWN BORDERS LIKE THIS??

 

We continued to allow people to enter the UK by air, by boat or by vehicle through the Channel Tunnel.

 

Maybe now we'll start turning these dinghies full of illegal immigrants around and send them back.

 

Or maybe not.

 

This is all bullshit. Has anyone actually presented any evidence of this 'new mutant strain' of virus?

 

Is this all an excuse to just further cripple transport links between the UK and EU ahead of Brexit?

 

Is the UK about to become the next 'pariah nation', to be blamed for this new 'third wave' of Covid?

 

 

 

Things are moving so fast that I'd now say for sure the UK is being used as the sacrificial lamb for the big reset. It has the perfect set-up with Brexit hanging over it. They can pull anything out of the hat - mutant! strains, new viruses, food/medical shortages, power/internet outage, road blocks, cash flow, 27 other countries not complying etc - and then impose solutions, blaming it all on (mythical) Brexit.

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9 minutes ago, Liberty said:

This is an interesting area. Could you start a separate thread on it with any material?  Lockdown effects cause increased risk of systemic problems from what I’ve already read. I thought it was more to do with isolation itself but from what you are saying it is more how one would cope with it or that impending feeling of doom either from a deadly virus from their view or a tyrannical government from ours.  Either way knowing more about coping mechanisms and understanding it would help. 

 

"Considering the damage inflicted by lockdown measures, including unemployment, poverty, delayed surgical procedures, delayed cancer diagnosis, neglected chronic disease, social isolation, and increased mental health burden and suicides, the Swedes could still fare better with their policy than more restrictive countries in the long run – while preserving the civil liberties of their citizens." https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/gp-opinion/was-the-swedish-approach-to-covid-19-really-a-mist

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New strain? It sounds like a mega medical term but "somatovegetative" nervous system means nervous reaction produces physical symptoms. Simple example, phobic stress = upset stomach. Headaches, palpitations, fever, acidic reactions can definitely be caused by anxiety. 

Here's where I disagree with modern medicine: Usually the approach used is based on biology but ignores neurology. Simple example: You have an upset stomach due to anxiety. You can choose to take a tablet and focus on the physical, biological symptoms. You can also choose to address the specific cause - a neurological condition. 

In the case of the covid vaccine, all research has been based on pure biology. Abnormal somatic processes visible in a lab. What little research is available on mass psychogenic hysteria has indeed been accepted as very valid by official medical organisations. Yet it was acknowledged with a shrug. 

My point: Treating just physical symptoms can cause the symptoms to morph and surface more aggressively. Behind the covid crisis I think lies a deeper, underlying cause because there is indeed mass hysteria. Of course I don't deny the reality of basic bacterial infection which exists but many neurologists in the USSR recorded an overlap. That is, many current diagnoses of covid may be psychosomatic and often just a strain of flu. In all cases panic is the worst possible approach.

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1 minute ago, DarianF said:

 

"Considering the damage inflicted by lockdown measures, including unemployment, poverty, delayed surgical procedures, delayed cancer diagnosis, neglected chronic disease, social isolation, and increased mental health burden and suicides, the Swedes could still fare better with their policy than more restrictive countries in the long run – while preserving the civil liberties of their citizens." https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/gp-opinion/was-the-swedish-approach-to-covid-19-really-a-mist

Everything they’ve done has been contrary to people’s health. The original slogans of  health v wealth winded me up. It’s well known the two go together. All the advice has been detrimental to health. I don’t know how some people can’t see it except for maybe there’s more but thinking they’re alone in their thoughts which is why it’s good to talk.  Now we also have months upon months of them doing the same thing over and over again and no better results whilst they lock places down,  lose business and them and their mates can do as they please. That’s one of the strongest arguments I think. The one rule for them and one rule for us. 

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"A more recent example of mass hysteria also involved schools. In mid-November of 2012, strange flu-like symptoms struck a school in the country of Sri Lanka. In addition to intestinal problems and fits of coughing, some children (and a handful of teachers) experienced rashes and headaches. In the small town of Gampola alone, more than 1,000 people were admitted to local hospitals. The area experienced widespread panic as the mysterious illness seemed to spread to other schools and centers of population. No medical cause could be found and the "illness" vanished as quickly as it had appeared. Not finding any other explanation, medical professionals concluded that those afflicted had been the victims of some type of mass hysteria strong enough to produce observable physical symptoms. "

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3 minutes ago, Liberty said:

Everything they’ve done has been contrary to people’s health. The original slogans of  health v wealth winded me up. It’s well known the two go together. All the advice has been detrimental to health. I don’t know how some people can’t see it except for maybe there’s more but thinking they’re alone in their thoughts which is why it’s good to talk.  Now we also have months upon months of them doing the same thing over and over again and no better results whilst they lock places down,  lose business and them and their mates can do as they please. That’s one of the strongest arguments I think. The one rule for them and one rule for us. 

 

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When Do We Start Coming out of the Covid-19 Mass Hysteria?

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“Men . . . go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.” So wrote Scottish journalist Charles Mackay in his 1841 book Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds, which for good reason to this day remains in print.

The Covid-19 hysteria, scientifically called mass psychogenic illness, that began in March has yet to peak. And if some have it their way it will continue indefinitely, merely going, in medical terminology, from epidemic to endemic. That is, it will never fully go away no matter what. We apparently finally have some medicines that work with countless more being tested, doctors have gotten better at applying treatments, vaccines are being administered in what is by far record time, and yet the media and public health community onslaught shows absolutely no sign of abating. "

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10 minutes ago, Shining-one said:

New strain? It sounds like a mega medical term but "somatovegetative" nervous system means nervous reaction produces physical symptoms. Simple example, phobic stress = upset stomach. Headaches, palpitations, fever, acidic reactions can definitely be caused by anxiety. 

Here's where I disagree with modern medicine: Usually the approach used is based on biology but ignores neurology. Simple example: You have an upset stomach due to anxiety. You can choose to take a tablet and focus on the physical, biological symptoms. You can also choose to address the specific cause - a neurological condition. 

In the case of the covid vaccine, all research has been based on pure biology. Abnormal somatic processes visible in a lab. What little research is available on mass psychogenic hysteria has indeed been accepted as very valid by official medical organisations. Yet it was acknowledged with a shrug. 

My point: Treating just physical symptoms can cause the symptoms to morph and surface more aggressively. Behind the covid crisis I think lies a deeper, underlying cause because there is indeed mass hysteria. Of course I don't deny the reality of basic bacterial infection which exists but many neurologists in the USSR recorded an overlap. That is, many current diagnoses of covid may be psychosomatic and often just a strain of flu. In all cases panic is the worst possible approach.

I agree.  It is an interesting area. Anxieties cause inflammation which causes the symptoms. 

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Heard on radio on way home from work, the death toll in the U.K has now reached 67,616. The infection rate in London is doubling every 6 days. All on 21/12---2+1+1+2=6. An awful lot of 6es about today. Also heard Johnson say we can look forward to a very different world in this country after Easter. Read into that what you will. To me that sounds very ominous. All on the darkest day of the year. Saturn and Jupiter in alignment. As D.I has said it's no accident Saturn sounds like Satan. And today is the day the ancients celebrated SATANalia.

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1 minute ago, Liberty said:

I agree.  It is an interesting area. Anxieties cause inflammation which causes the symptoms. 

My guess is there is an actual virus but we know symptoms can have biological or neurological cause. Or both! After some years now buried in neurology research, I tend to recognise anxiety when I see it. That is, the way people draw away from you, or fidget. Mostly I worry what damage it's doing to childrens' mental health. They are being taught to fear social contact. Likewise I see children in large groups chatting after school with no masks which shows you will never stop human beings interacting. I believe bacteria will always be part of life and impossible to eliminate. Governments can't police so many millions of people. We so need to develop our own immunity to bacteria which is why I oppose quick fix vaccines. After months of extremist, repressive measures governments so far can't boast of any actual success. They appear not to understand the most basic laws of science. Attempts to capitalise on mass fear amongst the public may well backfire. 

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