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1 hour ago, Odie Hatzcats said:


I believe that there were vastly less deaths of newborns (cot death etc) as the vaccinations were not being done!


That was the case noted earlier in the year, virtually no vaccinations of infants too place because people were staying away from hospitals so SIDs (sudden infant deaths) decreased dramatically.

I think people started to realise that correlation and causation are joined at the hip and inseperable in certain instances.

But I would not hesitate to state that vaccines are the cause ot SIDs.


The other noteworthy "correlation" is that when doctor strikes/hopsital strikes have taken  place in the past, the result is  an invariable lowering of the mortality rate, sometimes significant. If memory serves, up to  ~35% which in consideration of the numbers involved is significant, but bear in mind that this is variable, dependant on circumstance, location etc.


The psychological impact of BiT, SPiB et al from the sage team, Gov/media scare tactics and misrepresentations, ommissions and censorship has also effected the population at large esp the vulnerable who wont have necessarilly taken the best care of themselves during the past year & so would have conversely driven mortality upwards thereby countering the beneficial effect of negated hospital access.


The mind reels at the level of convolution involved.





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While Bolsonaro has pledged to make the coronavirus vaccine available to the public once Brazilian regulators give a green light to one of the inoculations under consideration, he has vocally rejected the mandatory vaccination drive, suggesting citizens could be placed under “house arrest” for turning down the jab, among other restrictions.


I'm struggling to see how this would change my life…

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10 hours ago, allymisfit said:

Hmm.. it feels to me this was done deliberately.

To have a country do things differently and then to show the world how bad not locking down and being strict on their restrictions was etc. Making people appreciate their lockdown even more.

The article states that Finland and Norway have higher immunity due to the restrictions etc..

But I thought that would have lowered the immunity to it? Am I missing something as I find this very confusing. 


I guess they felt that those who supported Sweden for not following the rest would have their minds changed now. 

A way to brainwash the anti-lockdown crowd.

However, what they don't realise is that the majority of us can see through this crap :D 


In Finland, 95% people use the masks in shops and everywhere. I dont know about sweden. They even put this cute piece of "art" in Helsinki (in march).  And those "protect yourselves" posters in every bus stop window, i was told by one person who working in printing industry, THEY MADE THOSE POSTERS NOVEMBER-DECEMBER 2019 ! Before all this "corona crisis" started (like in other countries too). So well, "stay strong"... sure.




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Belgian minister tweets EU's Covid vaccine price list to anger of manufacturers

Pharmaceutical companies complain of breach of confidentiality after amount EU has agreed to pay for leading vaccines goes public


Sarah Boseley Health Editor
Fri 18 Dec 2020 17.53 GMT



A Belgian minister has inadvertently blown the lid off a sensitive and commercial secret – the price that the EU has agreed to pay for the leading Covid vaccines.

Belgium’s budget state ecretary, Eva De Bleeker, posted the price list on Twitter, with the amounts of each vaccine that her country intends to buy from the EU. The tweet was quickly deleted, but not soon enough to prevent interested parties taking screenshots, which have now made it public knowledge.


While access-to-medicines campaigners were delighted at the transparency, pharmaceutical companies were not. Pfizer complained of a breach of confidentiality. “These prices are covered by a confidentiality clause in the contract with the European commission,” said Elisabeth Schraepen, the US drugmaker’s spokeswoman for the Benelux region to the Belgian daily Le Soir.

The price list revealed that the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine is the cheapest and Moderna is the most expensive – as was already known. But the details allow countries that may be negotiating with the vaccine manufacturers to take a harder line.

This is the list of what the EU is paying:

  • Oxford/AstraZeneca: €1.78

  • Johnson & Johnson: $8.50

  • Sanofi/GSK: €7.56

  • Pfizer/BioNTech: €12

  • CureVac: €10

  • Moderna: $18

“We can’t say anything about this case, everything about vaccines and prices are covered by confidentiality clauses, in the interests of society and also in the interests of negotiations ongoing,” said a spokesman for the EU commission at a news briefing.

Belgium is buying more than 33m vaccines for a total of €279m (£253m).

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Meanwhile, in Austria...


Austria’s latest lockdown, which comes into effect on 26 December, will include daytime curfews, the closure of non-essential shops, and schools switching to remote learning from 7 to 15 January.

Mass antigen tests being offered on the weekend of 16 and 17 January will give people the opportunity to “test themselves free” of restrictions, according to the interior minister, Karl Nehammer.

Those who test negative will be able to attend sporting events, concerts or restaurants from 18 January. Those who refuse to take a test will be required to stay in lockdown mode for another week.

Covid: Austrians who pass antigen test to be exempt from lockdown | Coronavirus | The Guardian


So I guess this is a softer approach than the 'you must have a vaccine passport'.  But dna/data harvesting nonetheless.

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Heard on radio that Mike Pence, Trumps right hand man and his wife have had the vaccine live on T.V. He said the vaccine is safe and effective. He should know, he's a politician. I for one hope we go into lockdown in the new year. This will confirm once and for all that Boris is a fool. Only a fool does the same thing again and again hoping for a different outcome.

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I posted a BBC vid a few hours ago of Pence being 'jabbed' that has already been edited. The unedited one shows the doctor, hand shaking, briefly point the needle in the direction of Pence's arm whilst ensuring any view we had of the process was obstructed by his other hand! The original vid must be out there.

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On 12/17/2020 at 1:26 PM, zigzag said:

Seriously, I will lose my shit soon with this fuckery.

Just popped on Mumsnet (that utterly vile forum for mothers)

Here are some of the things they say.


'My niece is 13 and on Friday she was told to isolate by her school as the girl she sits next to tested positive. She lives in London where transmission is really high. I spoke to MIL today who said that my SIL has told her she is not allowed out of her room apart from going to the toilet or having a shower. All meals are left outside her door for her to collect and my SIL went shopping and spend £50 on snacks and drinks so she doesn't have to leave her room. MIL is really worried about her she keeps phoning her in tears. My SIL is autistic and takes everything very very seriously but surely confining a 13 yr old to her room for 10 days is going a bit far isn't it??'


'Bring in the army as we need to vaccinate 3 million peopple daily to get the 75% of the nation vaccinated by June 2021'


This one below deserves a medal I reckon. This one feels privileged! lolz!!!!

'Firstly I just feel incredibly privileged to have been offered the vaccine through work and that I am fortunate through geography to have a really proactive local vaccine centre

I though it might be useful to post some observations about the process and administration of the vaccine. I had mine along with a number of colleagues early this week at our local Trust which has three vax stations each doing five min slots from 8-8 mon - fri and 8-4 weekends. Our employer (Social Care) had registered details of staff with CQC and they issued an on-line link for staff to book.

All very easy - although the take up across our sites has been lower than I would expect. Also although the process seemed easy. I did observe a few issues when I was waiting for and having the vax. Early this week, everyone was interviewed by a clinician and anyone even hinting at an allergy ("well I did get a rash after eating some mussels in Fuengirola last year,.....) was turned away. Also people didn't have their paperwork and consent letters complete or had no ID. You need you NHS number

Finally, this Trust were booking you in for the next one exactly three weeks forward- so make sure you can attend that date.

Jab was pain free and I had maybe 24 hours of very low level ache. There's a compulsory 15 minute observation session after before yo can leave'



'The govt have proudly announced that there will be mass testing in secondary schools, colleges and special schools from January.

What the headlines don’t quite convey is that schools will be expected to set up and man their own testing centres and that this make-shift testing of close contacts of positives will replace close contacts having to isolate. The tests pick up about 50% of positive cases so I’m sure this will be fine.

Covidy kids will be getting the bus to school to queue up and be tested by people who have watched a video and a couple of online worksheets.

Even better, they want those people to be YOU!

“The document says that reasonable costs for additional workforce will be reimbursed.

It adds that a school may want to hire temporary staff, such as agency and contract workers, or draw on volunteers such as parents, retired teachers, Red Cross, St John Ambulance and community organisations.”

If you can’t help in person, perhaps you can support by talking positively about this effort on social media and parenting forums?

“Under a section labelled “social media guidance”, the document reads that “consistent, accurate and positive communication about testing activity is essential”.

They want to see “proactive public social media using agreed materials” and schools are encouraged to “monitor your existing social media channels, parents forums etc. and provide any feedback”.”

Come on folks, do your bit!'


I don't indulge in a place where you'd find those. It will make you ill by simply reading it!

Should have known....mums dot net. *doh*

Full of fear.


From my timeline, all is looking jolly good.

Vaccine plan is falling apart left, right and centre. LOL


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First 5 mins of David's latest video made me chuckle.

He said the elites are frantically trying to stump out fires, I literally imagined it, so funny.


I don't know if anyone is realising this but the beauty of psychopaths/narc is that they are not empathic i.e. unable to think about others/situation other than their own. This is a massive disadvantage especially now. They think that their plan is GOLD when it is not. I see this played out time and time again. And if you are a Kung Flu master, you will gently steer them in the direction that they'll keep on digging their own rabbit hole so deep enough that they don't know where the fuck they are. Sorry I am having a laughing fits as usual. It must be the Kung Flu symptom number..... oh I won't mention the number it might trigger those who are into numbers. LOL

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