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I was thinking - do you reckon Piers Morgan and the Good Morning Britain team will be interviewing the two NHS staff who had the adverse reactions to the vaccine?

 

You would think the media would be in a bidding war to interview them.  

 

I wonder how much they have been paid to keep quiet.  I wonder just how much of a 'history' they are creating of their previous allergic reactions to downplay the danger of an experimental vaccine.

 

This is biowarfare and I am not being dramatic,

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8 minutes ago, Noctua said:

I was thinking - do you reckon Piers Morgan and the Good Morning Britain team will be interviewing the two NHS staff who had the adverse reactions to the vaccine?

 

You would think the media would be in a bidding war to interview them.  

 

I wonder how much they have been paid to keep quiet.  I wonder just how much of a 'history' they are creating of their previous allergic reactions to downplay the danger of an experimental vaccine.

 

This is biowarfare and I am not being dramatic,

There will be zero reference to it. 

The fact they are starting the role out on 80yr+ olds who in the majority are probably in care homes, is because there will be no way of knowing if they die from the jab or not (and if they do the gates crew will be happy with result) and families will just be told they died of something else or Covid got to them first. 

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On 12/7/2020 at 11:17 PM, Illmatic said:

 

Haha never heard of that but would be an interesting little fact.

 

It could give them a chance to cause a little bit of havoc but it doesn't change the fact that they can't fuck with bitcoin in the same way as they can regular currency, short of bringing down the internet which of course you couldn't rule out. Enough to make it a decent investment IMO

actually bro they can mess with bitcoin every single transaction is registered it aint decentralised like people believe it is oops, why do you think people who wised up tumbled and mixed there coins and sent them to an undisclosed wallet. cos otherwise every bitcoin transaction can be followed off the block chain. i do invest in crypto and i actually learnt this from the forums stay safe 

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On 12/8/2020 at 12:53 AM, magu said:

The coming power outages and internet crashes will be the ''wipe the slate clean'' event they are looking to use to install the crypto of their choice/s...plus the total debasement of bitcoin and every other non state sanctioned and controlled crypto.....as an aside...thunder snow in edinburgh and atmospheric explosions in new york state and elsewhere recently 23 miles up.....perfect emp  height....maybe a trial run ? smh

regards to the crypto aspect if your foolish enough to leave your coins on the exchange rather than cold wallet yeah could well be, but they cannot touch it with all the power downs lost internet if its in a cold storage like say the nano x wallet

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14 hours ago, alexa said:

 

These 91 year old's are half looking young these days and this one still drives :classic_ohmy:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9032041/Pensioner-91-national-treasure-interview-late-Covid-vaccine-appointment.html

 

 

What's the big deal? I'm soon 50 and looking like a teenager, oh, twenty.  People live longer nowadays generally. It depends on person and age is just a number. But ok, back to the topic.

 

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14 hours ago, alexa said:

 

These 91 year old's are half looking young these days and this one still drives :classic_ohmy:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9032041/Pensioner-91-national-treasure-interview-late-Covid-vaccine-appointment.html

 

Crikey, they are fitter looking than I am!

Having worked in elderly care for years, I have never seen such robust, fit people in their 90's. 

Whatever they're on, I want some too 😂

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1 hour ago, angelwitch-freeman said:

What's the big deal? I'm soon 50 and looking like a teenager, oh, twenty.  People live longer nowadays generally. It depends on person and age is just a number. But ok, back to the topic.

 

Well all's I can say is Good Luck to him, he's gonna need it.

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15 hours ago, alexa said:

 

These 91 year old's are half looking young these days and this one still drives :classic_ohmy:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9032041/Pensioner-91-national-treasure-interview-late-Covid-vaccine-appointment.html

 

 

From his upper class, aristocratic accent and demeaner I do believe this person is Martin Robert Kenyon, listed in the Peerage, born 11 November 1929, making him 91 years

 

https://thepeerage.com/p48996.htm#i489955

 

It's possible his 3 x Great Grandfather was Lloyd Kenyon, 1st Baron Kenyon, Attorney General, Master of the Rolls and Lord Chief Justice.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_Kenyon,_1st_Baron_Kenyon

 

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These days are long gone...

 

On C4's nineties series 'The Word' there was a segment called "I'll do anything to get on TV".

 

"You wanna be on TV? You'll have to do anything we say, including snogging grannies."

 

All the women in care homes without any physical contact for months who are currently used for propaganda reminded me of this.

 

Apologies in advance. I'll grab my coat...

 

 

 

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A riposte to the creatures in the WHO

Scientists Question Safety of Vaccines (WHO Global Vaccine Safety Summit December 2019)

0.29 seconds ''without good science we can't have good communication''

If you don't have the 'science' then why are you rolling out vaccines on a massive scale?

 

0.58 seconds ''we really don't have good safety monitoring systems''

If you don't have good safety monitoring systems then how can you assess if the vaccines are safe or not?

 

1 minute 10 seconds ''we are not able to give clear cut answers about the deaths that have occurred with particular vaccines''

If your vaccines are killing people and you can't understand why then why are you using them?

 

1 minute 20 seconds ''there is some obfuscation at that level''

If you are about 'science' then why would you hide anything? Surely you should lay all the facts on the table so that science can be more accurate. By failing to do that you are anti-science

 

1.57 ''how do we build confidence in this?''

If you have identified that the ADJUVANTS eg aluminium are toxic to health then the question is not how you get people to maintain confidence in a toxic product the question is how you make your product non toxic or you remove it from the market altogether. Why would you look to build confidence in a product that you know is causing harm?

 

2 minutes 50 seconds ''[adjuvants] multiply the reactogenicity, in many instances, and therefore it seems to me that it is not unexpected if they multiply the incidence of adverse reactions that are associated with the antigen, but may not have been detected through lack of statistical power in the original studies''

If your studies lack the necessary data to identify the risks involved in your vaccine then how can you then make an accurate cost to benefit analysis? If they are causing adverse reactions and you don't fully understand why then why are you not pulling the products off the market and why did you use them in the first place?

 

3.20 you say you see local reactogenicity immediately after the vaccine is applied and therefore accept those as vaccine induced adverse reactions and yet sound dismissive of more long term effects which you describe as 'accusations'; that smacks of criminally negligent irresponsibility to me

 

5.07 ''better mechanistic understandings of how these things work''

if you don't understand the mechanisms of your own vaccines then why would you ever inject them not a live human being as you can't be sure what impact that will have on them? You are essentially using people as your guinea pigs

 

5.18 ''if you struggle with the length of follow up''

So you are admitting that you do not look at the long term impacts on the people you vaccinate

 

5.35 ''its also the subject population that you administer the adjuvant to...''

Yes that is why applying a one size fits all approach to medicine is deeply flawed and dangerous and criminally irresponsible

 

6.18 ''a child is being given different antigens from different companies, and these vaccines have different adjuvants and preservatives and so on....something crosses my mind...is there a possibility of these adjuvants, preservatives cross-reacting amongst themselves?''

Yes of course there is. There is also the possibility that vaccine ingredients could react synergistically with other environmental factors such as fluoride, glyphosate and even microwaves, so you have to ask yourself why this doesn't 'cross the mind' of the scientists who make the vaccines and the doctors who administer them? Are they retards or criminals?

 

6.36 ''has there ever been a study on the possibility of cross-reactions?''

 

from 6.48 Dr Chen then goes on to admit that they lack that data and want to give people barcodes which is an admission that upto now they haven't studied the possibility of cross-reactivity and also that even if they create barcodes and use them to look into that the people who are vaccinated during that time will still not have the protection of the knowledge of those studies and will be guinea pigs demonstrating that they are knowingly flying blind

 

7.40 Dr Chen welcomes the emergence of 'large data sets' which means large amounts of people who are acting as guinea pigs

 

8.47 ''in medical school you are lucky if you have a half day on vaccines''

If doctors are lucky to have a half day on vaccines then isn't it about time that we stopped referring to them as 'experts' on the subject of vaccines? I have had more than a half day on vaccines therefore i am more of an expert on vaccines than the GP's who are so eager to inject them into our children

 

 

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On 12/8/2020 at 3:09 PM, Maddmoo said:

Latest updates from the Mrs, removed the names and email addresses for their own good. 
 

Dear all,
 
We have been asked as a Care Group to develop a vaccination rota of volunteer staff to administer the vaccine. The rota is expected to be a mixture of clinical and non-clinical workforce, and training will be provided for all staff who volunteer. The rota has to be cost neutral for the department, so we will be expected to deliver within our establishment. Any staff who would like to volunteer should have clearance from their line manager that they are supportive and can be released for this.
 
There will be designated vaccination hubs across both Denmark Hill and PRUH sites – we are still waiting for confirmation of these hub bases, it is assumed Unit 2 will be the hub for Denmark Hill.
 
The request is for the Radiology Care Group to cover 48hrs per week over an 8 week period. We are suggesting a minimum of a 4-hour shift in the first instance, so rostering is more manageable across the department. We have also assumed our week 1 will start on Monday the 14th of December.
 
**** and ***** will coordinate the rota centrally for the Radiology Care Group, so please can you email them both with the hours you can cover over the next 8 weeks.
****@nhs.net  or ****@nhs.net
 
**** is away this week, but has requested we develop this rota to be developed in her absence.
 
We will update you with more information as and when we get it.
 
Thanks
 
 
*****
Head of ****
King’s College Hospital NHS Foundation Trust

 

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Make of all this what you will. 🙃

 

This sentence jumped out at me from your image:

 

"In accordance with these guidelines, tomorrow we will begin vaccinating people aged 80 and over (both inpatients who are being discharged and those with outpatient appointments) as well as care home workers and clinically vulnerable healthcare staff who are at serious illness from COVID-19."

 

Over 80s are the first group in line. How is this going to play out with the latter groups, over 65s, over 50s, the vulnerable, etc, who visit King's, I wonder?

 

Being self centered here, I've got an operation due at King's that's being kicked down the road due to this crap and I can foresee a scenario where they won't operate unless I take the vax...

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21 minutes ago, wingwang said:

Being self centered here, I've got an operation due at King's that's being kicked down the road due to this crap and I can foresee a scenario where they won't operate unless I take the vax...

 

Your allergic to egg's, is that right ?

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