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Many people are now wondering whether this will be just like getting the flu vaccine. 

The short answer is: No, not really.

One Pfizer trial participant told CNBC that after the second shot, he woke up with chills, shaking so hard he cracked a tooth. “It hurt to even just lay in my bed sheet,” he said. 

 

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Front-runners Pfizer and Moderna built their candidates with a new kind of technology that’s never before been licensed in the U.S.

Messenger RNA vaccines, called mRNA for short, aren’t like your normal flu vaccine. Typically, a vaccine puts a weakened or inactivated virus into our bodies to trigger an immune response, which then produces antibodies. Those antibodies are what ultimately protect us from getting infected if we ever encounter the real thing.

An mRNA vaccine, on the other hand, is essentially just a piece of genetic code that contains instructions for our body. The mRNA tells our cells to make a protein — the same protein that is the spike on top of the actual coronavirus. This is what triggers the immune response in these types of vaccines.

So even though some trial participants reported Covid-like symptoms, it is impossible to contract the coronavirus from the vaccine, because the mRNA vaccines that Pfizer and Moderna are making don’t use the live virus. 

 

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Didn't see Dr Hilary Jones on Good morning Britain. Did hear "Mad" Matt Hancock on Radio 4 say the same thing. "The vaccine will not stop any one getting the virus and they will be able to spread it to others". Why not just say it is useless and doesn't work. I have never heard any one spout crap like this creature. He obviously hasn't got a clue what he is talking about. He is just repeating what some one else is telling him to say. Minister for health, I would be surprised if he has got a first aid certificate. Some times wonder if he even believes what he is saying himself.

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7 minutes ago, banjo dog said:

Why not just say it is useless and doesn't work. I have never heard any one spout crap like this creature. He obviously hasn't got a clue what he is talking about. He is just repeating what some one else is telling him to say. Minister for health, I would be surprised if he has got a first aid certificate. Some times wonder if he even believes what he is saying himself.

 

 

He's no fool. He's totally corrupt and an absolutely hideous person.  He's done his job and will be

rewarded handsomely.

 

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Follow the rules, follow the rules, stay home, follow the rules, flatten the curve, follow the rules, protect the N.H.S, follow the rules, stay 2 metres away. Your eye lids are getting heavy. Follow the rules, stay alert, follow the rules, defeat the virus, follow the rules, protect the N.H.S, follow the rules, wear a mask. You are feeling sleepy. Follow the rules, protect those you love, follow the rules, protect the N.H.S, follow the rules, get vaccinated, follow the rules. You are fast asleep. When I snap my fingers you will be wide awake, follow the rules, follow the rules, follow the rules.

    OH FUCK OFF!!!!!!!!

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2 minutes ago, Golden Retriever said:

 

 

He's no fool. He's totally corrupt and an absolutely hideous person.  He's done his job and will be

rewarded handsomely.

 

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Yep, knight hood, peerage, more money than he will know what to do with. consultant fees for all sorts of companies for doing fuck all

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6 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

No they are saying ''we are rolling out an injection that we should not expect to have any effect on lockdowns or mask wearing and we shouldn't expect it to lower infection rates during flu season either''

Sir Patrick Vallance warns Brits could still be wearing face masks NEXT winter because it will 'take quite a long time' to vaccinate everyone and jabs might not stop the virus spreading

  • The chief scientific adviser said people must still follow social distancing rules
  • No proof that vaccination will stop people transmitting the coronavirus
  • Studies have only proven so far that jabs can prevent Covid-19 disease 
  • Britain today became the first country in the world to vaccinate citizens 

By Sam Blanchard Senior Health Reporter For Mailonline

Published: 12:33, 8 December 2020 | Updated: 13:49, 8 December 2020

Britons might still have to wear face masks next winter, Sir Patrick Vallance said today.

The chief scientific adviser said the precaution – new to the UK but standard practice in some Asian countries – could be a long-term fix if coronavirus keeps circulating.

Britain today became the first country in the world to start vaccinating citizens against Covid-19, but scientists still don't know whether the jab can stop people spreading the virus.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9030263/Brits-wearing-face-masks-winter-Patrick-Vallance-warns.html

 

 

Don't bother with next winter mate just say forever, at least be honest in that.

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I'm really struggling lately. That Matt Hancock video this morning seriously got to me. It was so clear as day he was laughing. So sinister. People are still sleeping to this absolute madness. Even if you question it all one bit you get called 'mad' and a 'tin-foil hat'. Serious case of stockholm syndrome. 10 months of this and people WANT to be controlled. 

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After 594 pages, nobody mentioned of 'Operation Moonshot'.

I bet they chose 'Moon' to trigger us. lol

 

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We’re suing

We have now issued judicial review proceedings challenging the ‘Operation Moonshot’, We are proud to bring this important challenge alongside EveryDoctor, Dale Vince and Ecotricity, and Aron Cohen of diagnostics.ai.

 

https://goodlawproject.org/update/operation-moonshot-suing/

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8 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

No they are saying ''we are rolling out an injection that we should not expect to have any effect on lockdowns or mask wearing and we shouldn't expect it to lower infection rates during flu season either''

Sir Patrick Vallance warns Brits could still be wearing face masks NEXT winter because it will 'take quite a long time' to vaccinate everyone and jabs might not stop the virus spreading

  • The chief scientific adviser said people must still follow social distancing rules
  • No proof that vaccination will stop people transmitting the coronavirus
  • Studies have only proven so far that jabs can prevent Covid-19 disease 
  • Britain today became the first country in the world to vaccinate citizens 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9030263/Brits-wearing-face-masks-winter-Patrick-Vallance-warns.html

 

'Sir Patrick Vallance warns Brits could still be wearing face masks NEXT winter because it will 'take quite a long time' to vaccinate everyone and jabs might not stop the virus spreading.'

 

This translates as:

 

Sir Patrick Vallance warns Brits could still be wearing face masks NEXT winter because the Coronavirus Act needs to be renewed in October 2021 and kept as law until at least April 2022.'

 

8 hours ago, truther79 said:

Envoy on Covid-19 from WHO with a Great Reset clock and pin-badge 🤦Talk about rubbing it in our faces.

 

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Move over Chris Lee, if he were still with us.

 

7 hours ago, zarkov said:

COVID-19 Masks Causing Rise In Bacterial Pneumonia

Published on December 8, 2020

Written by www.nexusnewsfeed.com

 

My elderly folks are exempt from wearing face masks and generally don't wear face masks. However, in certain settings, they do feel compelled to wear them. This is exactly the sort of thing that concerns me.  

 

7 hours ago, zarkov said:

The rna vaccine is supposed to be milky in appearance after dilution so that might be saline. Notice the handling of the bottles to obscure view. If I were trying to convince the masses that poison was safe, I would definately start with saline. Without any doubt!

 

There is absolutely nothing that they wouldn't do, if they thought they could get away with it. Could they not have made a saline solution appear milky though, if it was indeed a saline solution?

 

7 hours ago, Shy Talk said:

So signs are London will be in Tier 3 in a few days. Clearly all pre-planned, as the initial Tier rollout was designed to p off other regions who were thrown into Tier 3 while London was in 2. We've had a week or so of people living in Tier 3s moaning and venting their ire at London while COMPLETELY MISSING THE BIGGER PICTURE.

 

The bigger picture is that virtually the whole country will be under Tier 3 come Brexit postponement time, essentially cancellation, on 1st January 2021. A reallocation of tiers is due to take place on 30th December, where the concern over 'Christmas mixing' will be used as an excuse to take such safeguarding measures. The whole notion of the PTB not extending the loosening of Christmas restrictions, say for a few more days until at least 2nd January, was ridiculous. They would have allowed it, as they allowed us to have a bit of a Coronavirus summer holiday, unless they had ulterior motives that had to play out right around then.  

 

2 hours ago, banjo dog said:

Yep, knight hood, peerage, more money than he will know what to do with. consultant fees for all sorts of companies for doing fuck all

 

A junior version of Tony Blair, somewhat akin to Nick 'Smeghead' Clegg. He will probably be on BBC 'Strictly', come 2023.

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Elaborating on Lockdown deaths.

 

 

Questions For Lockdown Apologists

Published on December 8, 2020

Written by John Pospichal

 

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We now have mortality data for the first few months of 2020 for many countries, and, as you might expect, there were steep increases associated with the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic in each one.

Surprisingly, however, these increases did not begin before the lockdowns were imposed, but after.

Moreover, in almost every case, they began immediately after. Often, mortality numbers were on a downward trend before suddenly reversing course after lockdowns were decreed.

This is an astonishing finding. But before I discuss its full import, and pose some questions to those who still defend the utility of lockdowns, I want to present the data that proves it.

Here’s a series of charts by the Financial Times showing overall mortality and “deaths in excess of normal levels” in 2020 for a number of countries:

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Source. Note: I removed the chart in the bottom right corner which represented “13 countries/cities combined” and replaced it with the FT chart for New York City.

As you can see, in every country there were significant increases in overall mortality beginning some time in February or March.

Now let’s add the lockdown dates in green for each country:

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You will notice that only after each country (or city) was locked down did the increases begin. Moreover, they began immediately, and in nearly every case, precipitously.

Now let’s examine the data for a few of these countries and cities in greater detail.

Belgium

The Economist has published its own series of charts showing excess deaths in several countries. Here’s its chart for Belgium:

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Note: The Economist’s charts are interactive in the source.

The national lockdown is shown to have occurred on March 18th. But that was only Phase 2 of the national lockdown. Phase 1, which included widespread business closures, began on March 13th.

Their chart, therefore, should really look like this:

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Which shows no increase in mortality before the lockdown, and then an immediate and precipitous increase after it was imposed.

The Netherlands

Here’s The Economist’s chart for the Netherlands:

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In a strange oversight, the lockdown that was declared on March 15 in that country is not indicated here. Moreover, the March 23rd “ban on public gatherings” shown in the chart was simply the bolstering of an already-existing ban on public gatherings that had been issued on March 12 (which was accompanied by the lockdown of nursing homes). The Dutch lockdown, therefore, began on March 12, escalated on March 15, and peaked on March 23.

Let’s add that information to the chart:

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Once again, we see no significant increase in mortality before the start of the lockdown, and then an immediate, precipitous rise once the lockdown began.

(Note: The slightest increase in mortality is still observable immediately before the “Lockdown phase 1” line, but that is probably due to the fact that the Netherlands reports its mortality data on a weekly, rather than a daily basis, and March 12th (“Lockdown phase 1”) fell in the middle of the week. If we had daily data, we would probably be able to confirm that there was no increase at all prior to March 12th.)

Spain

Let’s move on to some larger countries.

Here’s The Economist’s chart for Spain:

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Note that most of the excess deaths came from the Madrid region.

Here’s a chart I made of overall mortality in the Madrid region using the same data The Economist used (available here). Notice the steep rise in deaths beginning around March 9th:

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Now let’s add the major lockdown orders to this chart:

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Red text denotes lockdown orders limited to the Madrid region; purple text denotes lockdown orders affecting the entire nation. I compiled this information from news reports.

You will observe here the same peculiar phenomenon we’ve observed thus far: significant rises in mortality do not pre-date major lockdown events, but rather coincide with them, or follow them very closely.

Next up, Britain.

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The Economist draws the “National lockdown” line on Mar 23. But again, that was only Phase 2 of the lockdown. Phase 1 began on March 20.

Many of the excess deaths occurred in London. Let’s take a closer look at that data:

 

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As you can see from this chart (created using The Economist’s own data set), there was no significant increase in deaths before March 20, and no increase at all before March 13.

Now let’s add the lockdown dates:

 

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And we see the same phenomenon here as elsewhere— namely, no increase in overall mortality until after the lockdowns begin, and then a sudden, precipitous rise.

Italy

 

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In Italy, the largest increase in deaths occurred in the Lombardy region. Let’s look closer at that data, and also plot the regional lockdown on February 22.

 

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Once again: the sudden, precipitous increase in deaths followed the lockdown.

France

 

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The greatest increase in deaths came from the Paris region, so let’s take a closer look at that data:

 

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Again, the same phenomenon is evident here as elsewhere: no significant increase in deaths until after the lockdown was declared, and then an immediate, precipitous rise.

New York City

 

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Here the “City lockdown” is shown to have occurred on March 22.

But let’s take a closer look. Here is the same data overlaid with lockdown orders:

 

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Purple text denotes state-level orders, red text city-level orders.

Now it’s very clear: there was no increase in deaths before the start of lockdowns.

(Note: I plotted the state lockdown on Mar 20, which is when it was announced and went into partial effect.)

Let’s take a look at one more case.

Ecuador

A severe national lockdown was decreed in Ecuador on March 16th, and went into effect on March 17th. The Guayas province, which contains Ecuador’s most populous city, suffered the highest rate of overall mortality. Here’s the mortality chart (from the Financial Times) for that region:

 

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And here’s a closer look:

 

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As with all the other cases we’ve examined here — and as with all the countries and cities for which we have good mortality data — only after the lockdown began was there a significant increase in deaths.

All this leads to the following questions, which we pose to anyone who continues to defend the use of lockdowns as an effective means to prevent excess deaths.

Q: Why was there no significant increase in overall mortality, in any country we have good data for, before the start of lockdowns?

Q: Why does a precise and exact correlation exist between the start of lockdowns and significant rises in overall mortality?

Or:

Q: How is it that governments in every country imposed lockdowns at precisely the same time relative to the future precipitous rise in their populations’ overall mortality rate?

And:

Q: How is it, moreover, that this moment in time happened to fall immediately before that precipitous rise?

Most attempts to answer these questions would probably involve the assertion that the authorities in every country had some notion of the true prevalence of the virus at the beginning of the pandemic. But we know now that that was not really the case. In the early weeks and months of 2020, testing was extremely limited. This was based, partly, on the assumption that the virus was not yet widespread. As testing was systematically expanded, the number of positive results increased, and this increase was generally believed to correspond to the actual spread of the virus.

Now retrospective testing (what little has been performed) has shown that the virus was circulating — and killing — weeks, or even months before it was initially detected in many countries. Other researchers are coming to the same conclusion; the prevalence of the virus was vastly underestimated at the beginning of the pandemic.

Which leads us to our final question:

Q: If health authorities vastly underestimated the prevalence of the virus at the beginning of the pandemic, why did the virus nevertheless wait until lockdowns were imposed to suddenly start killing at levels which exceeded normal deaths?

Read more at jamesfetzer.org

 

From https://principia-scientific.com/questions-for-lockdown-apologists/

 

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17 hours ago, alexa said:

If they insist on this vaccine card before you can shop, my hubby say's he will take the vaccine, I cant seem to make him realize that to do so will effect his salvation not to mention the harm it will do to him.

I'm really concerned about him, as I know, I would starve first before having this shit put into my body.

 

Shop online? Use a brainwashed vaccinated idiot to deliver to you. That way you don't have to starve, and you don't have to get the vaccine.

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