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19 hours ago, Ziggy Sawdust said:

 My brother-in-law is 69.....He had his first ever flu jab in Nov 2019.

Since then he's gone from being an active energetic guy for his age to a complete sack of shit who is permanently unwell and has aged bodily and facially about 10 years.

 He insists it was the injection that caused it.

I did warn him not to have it but he wouldn't listen.

 

 

I spoke to a neighbour OAP a couple of months ago. He knows about Zionist. I told him not to take the vaxx and he said he wouldn't. Today I met him and we chatted a bit and he told me that he had a flu vaxx 3 weeks ago. *doh*

He said his daughter also told him not to take it but doctor insisted.

 

Let this be a lesson. You've done your bit. Now move on. We ain't got much time.

I'm sorry for the guy but with ignorance or inability to say NO cost him not just this life time but really sealed his fate for the next.

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2 hours ago, FrankVitali said:

UK ppl:

 

Quiet protests are not working. Things are getting out of hand. The "british" way just isn't doing it.

 

 

 

The popo today are just insane. They are drunk on power. We need to stand up to this shit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

mnn I thought this was what they were leading us to.

 

There is a solution, as I said earlier, it's very easy.

Ignore the government lockdown, all the business to go back. WE decide.

If they ask question, ask your MP to question Boris about FOI.

How are they going to answer that I wonder...

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6 minutes ago, BridgeBuilder said:

 

I spoke to a neighbour OAP a couple of months ago. He knows about Zionist. I told him not to take the vaxx and he said he wouldn't. Today I met him and we chatted a bit and he told me that he had a flu vaxx 3 weeks ago. *doh*

He said his daughter also told him not to take it but doctor insisted.

 

Let this be a lesson. You've done your bit. Now move on. We ain't got much time.

I'm sorry for the guy but with ignorance or inability to say NO cost him not just this life time but really sealed his fate for the next.

 

Speaking to my Jehovah Witness Aunt last week. They actually have synthetic vaccines, whatever that is, due to not being allowed foreign DNA or summat. She'd had one a few months ago and exclaimed that her lungs and breathing have not been the same since. I called vaccine damage as asthma/lungs are one of the primary signs though this is a knock on affect of bowel damage. She said that I would say that but still said she'd be checking the ingredients next time. She was lucky to have a high level of health throughout her life but at 75, it's time such things will chip away at her. I think, in part, it's karma for force feeding me that sprout when I was 3, which I subsequently threw up. I actually quite like her though she has a few twists but don't we all!

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11 minutes ago, BridgeBuilder said:

mnn I thought this was what they were leading us to.

 

There is a solution, as I said earlier, it's very easy.

Ignore the government lockdown, all the business to go back. WE decide.

If they ask question, ask your MP to question Boris about FOI.

How are they going to answer that I wonder...

 

Indeed. I do agree we need further action, but we don't need a militia, that's exactly what they want. Great excuse to call a stage of emergency and put the army on the streets.

 

What we really need is communication and mobilisation of all the "non-essential" SMEs to reopen en-masse. Imagine if even half the bars, shops and restaurants in London opened tomorrow and started inviting customers back. They would be fucked. Good luck stopping that.

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9 minutes ago, Traveller said:

 

Speaking to my Jehovah Witness Aunt last week. They actually have synthetic vaccines, whatever that is, due to not being allowed foreign DNA or summat. She'd had one a few months ago and exclaimed that her lungs and breathing have not been the same since. I called vaccine damage as asthma/lungs are one of the primary signs though this is a knock on affect of bowel damage. She said that I would say that but still said she'd be checking the ingredients next time. She was lucky to have a high level of health throughout her life but at 75, it's time such things will chip away at her. I think, in part, it's karma for force feeding me that sprout when I was 3, which I subsequently threw up. I actually quite like her though she has a few twists but don't we all!

 

Fuck me, I 'm registered as JW for blood purpose. When it is time to go, it's time to go.

We seriously need to form a new religious group!!

 

If LaVey started the Satanic church for a laugh...so can we.

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1 minute ago, Illmatic said:

 

Indeed. I do agree we need further action, but we don't need a militia, that's exactly what they want. Great excuse to call a stage of emergency and put the army on the streets.

 

What we really need is communication and mobilisation of all the "non-essential" SMEs to reopen en-masse. Imagine if even half the bars, shops and restaurants in London opened tomorrow and started inviting customers back. They would be fucked. Good luck stopping that.

Exactly! They are itching to open and carry on the business they so need. Punters are waiting at home as well.

 

In order to do this, we need to do almost door to door, wherever possible to spread the FOI info.

If you own a business, may be you could form a local group and do a class action to sue the government.

According to this site, certain chambers are told not to deal with this case.

http://www.thebernician.net/covid-1984-foi-request-uk-government-admits-virus-doesnt-exist/

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Does anyone feel like the lockdown is in it's end stage now? Tory MP's are rebelling against the lockdown. The government is rushing for the vaccination to be carried out as much as possible from December. Also lots and lots of protests all around the country and people. People are losing their jobs too.

I really hope and do think this lockdown will end in two months. Want to go back to nightclubs badly.

EDIT: The government cannot simply afford to keep the lockdown forever. If they did they make themselves very suspicious in the long term plan. 

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Just now, Newbiebrbr said:

Does anyone feel like the lockdown is in it's end stage now? Tory MP's are rebelling against the lockdown. The government is rushing for the vaccination to be carried out as much as possible from December. Also lots and lots of protests all around the country and people. People are losing their jobs too.

I really hope and do think this lockdown will end in two months. Want to go back to nightclubs badly.

 

I don't know, there is a talk of it continuing till April!!

This is why we must stop this malarkey now.

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I don't know, there is a talk of it continuing till April!!

This is why we must stop this malarkey now.

This is the link, I know people hate the dailymail but there are numerous websites reporting on this type of rebellion. The tiers could end in 9 weeks. Hopefully (tho I wouldn't be suprised) that it ends by 9 weeks from now. Obviously we want to end as soon as possible.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8996933/Boris-Johnson-makes-impassioned-colourful-plea-Britons.html

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This is a carrot and stick situation. Just dangling, dangling.

 

We need to stop following the carrot!! The thing is though, people are in trance and even if you tell them, it's not going in.

 

We don't need a militalia, sorry Frank. We need a very large speakers for someone to shout "On my count of 3, you will wake up feeling refreshed and awake. 3...2...1"

 

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A social credit score system is being created in the background, like the one in communist china, under the guise of fighting 'covid':

The Covid data spies paid to know ALL your secrets: Town halls harvest millions of highly personal details including if you're being unfaithful or having unsafe sex

  • A private firm inked deals with local authorities to gather data that can be used to predict who is likely to break lockdown, creating risk analyses for households
  • The system, called Covid OneView, is produced by data analytics firm Xantura
  • Councils said the aim is to help identify those most at risk from coronavirus
  • MPs have said the system lacks transparency and its not clear why so much information about residents' lives was needed

By Tom Kelly For The Mail Investigations Unit

Published: 22:01, 27 November 2020 | Updated: 02:14, 28 November 2020

Town halls are harvesting millions of highly personal details about residents using Covid software, the Daily Mail can reveal today.

A private firm has signed lucrative deals with local authorities to garner the data which can be used to predict who is likely to break lockdown.

The information is culled from council records and includes family debt levels, living arrangements, income, school absences and exclusions. It is fed into a profiling system called Covid OneView to create a risk analysis for households and individuals who are believed to be vulnerable.

Town halls say the aim is to help identify those most at risk from coronavirus. But a council presented slides at a video conference last month showing the information could be used to predict who might break isolation rules.

Our investigation found that the information Covid OneView can gather included notes on:

  • Unfaithful and unsafe sex, emotional health and wellbeing, sleep issues and dangerous pets 
  • Anger management issues and socially unacceptable behaviour
  • Financial details, including debt, low income and tax arrears
  • School attendance, low school commitment and free school meals

MPs and campaigners said the system lacked transparency and it was not clear why so much information was needed about residents' lives.

Jake Hurfurt of Big Brother Watch, a privacy campaigning group, said: 'This underlines the shift toward mass surveillance and data harvesting that has been triggered by the pandemic.

'It's scandalous that councils are using huge amounts of personal information and experimental algorithms to assign people 'risk scores' and predictions behind closed doors. People have a right to know how their data is used and how decisions are made about their lives.'

Xantura, the firm behind the system, said it had worked exclusively for councils for 12 years and 'millions of pieces' of data made its algorithms 'incredibly accurate'. It charges customers £18,000 to use it.

The Chartered Institute of Public Finance and Accountancy, a joint partner with Xantura in the scheme, said OneView aimed to build on Operation Shield, which identified 1.5million individuals at high risk of Covid.

While Operation Shield was limited to those with high clinical need, OneView aims to help councils identify those most vulnerable to the social and economic impact of the pandemic.

This includes files on housing rent arrears, children's and adult social care and school records. These are used to pick up 'Covid risk factors' which include debt, domestic violence, mental health, and low income.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8994911/Town-halls-harvest-millions-personal-details-including-youre-unfaithful-debt.html

 
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Landmark legal ruling finds that Covid tests are not fit for purpose. So what do the MSM do? They ignore it

27 Nov, 2020 07:58

By Peter Andrews, Irish science journalist and writer based in London. He has a background in life sciences, and graduated from the University of Glasgow with a degree in genetics.

Four German holidaymakers who were illegally quarantined in Portugal after one was judged to be positive for Covid-19 have won their case, in a verdict that condemns the widely-used PCR test as being up to 97-percent unreliable.

Earlier this month, Portuguese judges upheld a decision from a lower court that found the forced quarantine of four holidaymakers to be unlawful. The case centred on the reliability (or lack thereof) of Covid-19 PCR tests.

The verdict, delivered on November 11, followed an appeal against a writ of habeas corpus filed by four Germans against the Azores Regional Health Authority. This body had been appealing a ruling from a lower court which had found in favour of the tourists, who claimed that they were illegally confined to a hotel without their consent. The tourists were ordered to stay in the hotel over the summer after one of them tested positive for coronavirus in a PCR test - the other three were labelled close contacts and therefore made to quarantine as well.

Unreliable, with a strong chance of false positives

The deliberation of the Lisbon Appeal Court is comprehensive and fascinating. It ruled that the Azores Regional Health Authority had violated both Portuguese and international law by confining the Germans to the hotel. The judges also said that only a doctor can “diagnose” someone with a disease, and were critical of the fact that they were apparently never assessed by one.

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They were also scathing about the reliability of the PCR (polymerase chain reaction) test, the most commonly used check for Covid.

The conclusion of their 34-page ruling included the following: “In view of current scientific evidence, this test shows itself to be unable to determine beyond reasonable doubt that such positivity corresponds, in fact, to the infection of a person by the SARS-CoV-2 virus.”  

In the eyes of this court, then, a positive test does not correspond to a Covid case. The two most important reasons for this, said the judges, are that, “the test’s reliability depends on the number of cycles used’’ and that “the test’s reliability depends on the viral load present.’’ In other words, there are simply too many unknowns surrounding PCR testing.

Tested positive? There could be as little as a 3% chance it’s correct 

This is not the first challenge to the credibility of PCR tests. Many people will be aware that their results have a lot to do with the number of amplifications that are performed, or the ‘cycle threshold.’ This number in most American and European labs is 35–40 cycles, but experts have claimed that even 35 cycles is far too many, and that a more reasonable protocol would call for 25–30 cycles. (Each cycle exponentially increases the amount of viral DNA in the sample).

Earlier this year, data from three US states – New York, Nevada and Massachusetts – showed that when the amount of the virus found in a person was taken into account, up to 90 percent of people who tested positive could actually have been negative, as they may have been carrying only tiny amounts of the virus.

The Portuguese judges cited a study conducted by “some of the leading European and world specialists,” which was published by Oxford Academic at the end of September. It showed that if someone tested positive for Covid at a cycle threshold of 35 or higher, the chances of that person actually being infected is less than three percent, and that “the probability of… receiving a false positive is 97% or higher.”

While the judges in this case admitted that the cycle threshold used in Portuguese labs was unknown, they took this as further proof that the detention of the tourists was unlawful. The implication was that the results could not be trusted. Because of this uncertainty, they stated that there was "no way this court would ever be able to determine" whether the tourist who tested positive was indeed a carrier of the virus, or whether the others had been exposed to it.

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Sshhh – don’t tell anyone

It is a sad indictment of our mainstream media that such a landmark ruling, of such obvious and pressing international importance, has been roundly ignored. If one were making (flimsy) excuses for them, one could say that the case escaped the notice of most science editors because it has been published in Portuguese. But there is a full English translation of the appeal, and alternative media managed to pick it up.

And it isn’t as if Portugal is some remote, mysterious nation where news is unreliable or whose judges are suspect – this is a western EU country with a large population and a similar legal system to many other parts of Europe. And it is not the only country whose institutions are clashing with received wisdom on Covid. Finland’s national health authority has disputed the WHO’s recommendation to test as many people as possible for coronavirus, saying it would be a waste of taxpayer’s money, while poorer South East Asian countries are holding off on ordering vaccines, citing an improper use of finite resources. 

Testing, especially PCR testing, is the basis for the entire house of cards of Covid restrictions that are wreaking havoc worldwide. From testing comes case numbers. From case numbers come the ‘R number,’ the rate at which a carrier infects others. From the ‘dreaded’ R number comes the lockdowns and the restrictions, such as England’s new and baffling tiered restrictions that come into force next week. 

The daily barrage of statistics is familiar to us all by this point, but as time goes on the evidence that something may be deeply amiss with the whole foundation of our reaction to this pandemic – the testing regime – continues to mount.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/507937-covid-pcr-test-fail/

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I don't know if you've ever battled with a psychopath but my experience is that unless you stop them, they won't. It's like their brain is a robot, they will carry on doing the same thing over and over again and it really made me question about their intelligence even though they have more educational qualification than I.

 

So guys, you have to stop them. Obviously, try not to break the law in doing so, not worth the agro. There are many other ways to tackle it. Some will employ proxy method to escape the man-made law. Just be creative about it.

I'd put loads of obstacles and derail their plans. There was a cauliflower accident recently. Nobody was hurt. Just imagine that being hundreds of ampoules. lol

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I can remember as early as March shops and shopping areas were changing their set up, putting numbered space markers down, separate lanes for walking etc. Some of bigger companies were on it straight away with adverts, all with the same theme.. ‘home is safe’ all showing ppl social distancing and video chatting/ zooming from work like they’ve been doing it for years. When you spend money on changing things and advertising it means something is gonna be in place for a while, how could they know that then? How did they know it wasn’t going to be fleeting like the bird flu or one the others? Those TV ads are expensive, would you spend so much on a costly advert for something which may only last few weeks? No, of course they wouldn’t, they must’ve been told. Where I work in financial services, DPA was guarded like the crown jewels, we could be searched by security in or leaving work any time they wanted, in case we had customers details written down, it was sackable to even have your phone in work. By mid March though, the Co had invested in thousands of pounds worth of laptops, VPNs, VM ware etc and we were at home with all kinds of info at our fingertips, have been ever since, DPA? Customers personal financial information? Who cares? So companies all of sudden don’t have to be concerned about client confidentiality any more? I also have a relative who’s quite high in the police and he was telling us in Feb/early March, that this is going to be our ‘World War’ in that we’re all going to know someone who’s died from this. My point is, (Sorry for waffle lol) that ppl high up knew this was going to last, MPs, Police, CEOs, bankers, credit providers, they’d been told it was, why would they invest so much money, ads, modifications etc so early on? 

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