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3 hours ago, Nip said:

 

Experts ? Baffled ? Says it all really.

 

Gardening maybe ? Climate Change ? Of course, it could be the jab but ...... well, let's not go there.

 

could be the russians....don't forget to blame the russians!

 

or it could be the anti-vaxxers.....after all they are all secretly russian agents so.....

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6 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

that's basically what the ONS is doing with the excess death figures....

 

There are lies, damn lies, statistics and, right at the top of the pile, Patrick Vallance graphs.

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8 hours ago, Campion said:

I usually get more catarrh when I have a lot of dairy products. So I cut back with black coffee etc. 

 

i think with these things we have to ask ourselves what has been done to it....

 

so for example when people say that red meat 'causes cancer' is it the red meat that does that or is it the chemical preservatives that the corporations have injected into the meat? is it the drugs that they made the farmers feed to the cows when they were alive?


It's the same with milk. They pasteurise it which denatures the proteins and then they homogenise it! If the cows making the milk aren't organically fed then that will affect the milk.

 

In scotland we can't even buy raw milk. We have to import it from england. It's criminal. The SNP sit there in the scottish parliament claiming they care about the scottish people and yet they block them from consuming raw milk....unbelievable

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8 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

In scotland we can't even buy raw milk. We have to import it from england. It's criminal. The SNP sit there in the scottish parliament claiming they care about the scottish people and yet they block them from consuming raw milk....unbelievable

 

It's hypocritical. And a common way of damaging the local industry when you're allowed to import goods which are banned to local farmers. We have similar tactics aimed at English farmers who have tighter rules on animal rights and which chemicals they're allowed to use than the foreign produce we import. I'm all in favour of treating animals well and avoiding toxic chemicals but that good intention is weaponised to put pressure on our people. 

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14 minutes ago, Campion said:

 

It's hypocritical. And a common way of damaging the local industry when you're allowed to import goods which are banned to local farmers. We have similar tactics aimed at English farmers who have tighter rules on animal rights and which chemicals they're allowed to use than the foreign produce we import. I'm all in favour of treating animals well and avoiding toxic chemicals but that good intention is weaponised to put pressure on our people. 

 

i see two key angles to the issue of chemicals

 

firstly i feel the same way about them as i do about the vaccines which is to say that if we are to make a decision over whether or not they are 'on balance' a good thing we need to first have all of the data about the good that they do BUT ALSO THE HARMS that they cause

 

That data is concealed and not fully researched. For example with vaccines they call adverse events 'unspecified effects' and they don't research into those. So for example if they vaccinate 5 people against measles and they manage to get those people to create some antibodies against measles but in the process they give one person life long autism, another person asthma, another of the five a peanut allergy, one a chronic auto-immune disorder and the fifth an ear infection then on balance was that really worth it?

 

But is the research done that connects those other health problems to the vaccines or is a kind of assumption always upheld that such problems can never be down to the vaccines?

 

Its the same with chemicals for example glyphosate. Farmers use it as a herbicide but they also use it as a dessicant to dry out the crops before harvest. There was a class action lawsuit by many people claiming that roundup had given them non hodgkins lymphoma. That was all settled out of court through payments by bayer who had bought up the manufacturer of roundup: monsanto, but is that the only harm caused by glyphosate, the active ingredient in roundup? If glyphosate weakens the gut barrier causing all kinds of other problems like leaky gut, crohns disease etc then that all needs to be studied and recorded so that it can be weighed against the alleged benefits

 

what we are not getting in this world is an honest accounting of harms v's benefits

 

The second issue i have is if there is evidence of a concealment of data by the corporations that manufacture these things and a cover up by the government regulators that are supposed to be regulating them then that indicates criminal intent as they are not harming by accident but by full cogniscence of the harms of their actions. How many countless times do we have to see that being done before we finally come to the hard conclusion that there is a criminal intent to harm on the part of the manufacturers and a criminal collusion on the part of the state regulators and at that point we become 'conspiracy theorists' rather than people who believe that there is mere 'corruption' at play. Because these harmful substances aren't naturally occuring; they are being designed and tested in labs and yet still make it onto the market. I see them as essentially covert weapons aimed at soft killing to enable plausible deniability where a bullet on the other hand is hard kill that makes the herd sit up and pay notice. They want the herd asleep and slowly poisoned

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53 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

Its the same with chemicals for example glyphosate. Farmers use it as a herbicide but they also use it as a dessicant to dry out the crops before harvest.

This is true for unripe crops, as the green biomass would bung up the combine, which is reliant on crispy dry matter. 

If 80% of the crop is ready for harvest but 20% is still green, they’ll spray Roundup on the whole lot, wait two weeks (which is standard practice) then harvest. This was only allowed to happen on crops destined for animal feed, never human consumption. 

Considering glyphosate persists in the environment for over 80 years, there’s no doubt humans are taking it up through animal products. 

I’ve been there many times in the past twenty years. Usually oats or rapeseed. The old man would ring up the contractor and buy a few tubs of glyphosate- ‘spray it off!’ 
Usually cost between £600 - £1000

Held my head in my hands everytime. 

Thank god I’m not conventional farming anymore 

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4 minutes ago, LastOneLeftInTheCounty said:

Thank god I’m not conventional farming anymore 

 

I think a lot of farmers are basically following the advice of the farmers associations. The same is probably true across all fields in britain where each industry is looking up to some centralised authority who then dictates to them what to do

 

For example NHS doctors and nurses say they are 'just following hospital protocol'. You have to wonder if hospital protocol told them to put their heads in ovens if they would comply....

 

Police say that they are 'just enforcing parliamentary statutes'.

 

The military say they are 'just obeying the chain of command'

 

It seems we have a big problem in britain with people palming off responsibility for their own actions onto perceived authority figures. On the other side of the argument people might say 'yes but everything is so centrally controlled in britain that there are harsh penalties if you don't follow procedures handed down from those authorities'

 

we need to break out of that GROUP THINK by listening to the dissenting voices

10th Man Israel's Strategy - World War Z

 

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3 hours ago, XelNaga said:

If we look at it for what it truly is, it's obvious that it's not meant for us.

 

Cow milk is food for baby cow. Are we a baby cow? No. So it's not for us to consume.

Then by what you have said sheep/goat milk is for baby goats/sheep?

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16 hours ago, Nip said:

 

Experts ? Baffled ? Says it all really.

 

Gardening maybe ? Climate Change ? Of course, it could be the jab but ...... well, let's not go there.

AKA the truth: Experts are not really baffled they know exactly what's going on, and they are not really experts, and they don't really give a damn, they are paid off media whores and pharma spokesmen who chop and  change their story ad lib to blame some stupid vaccinated sheep who fell face first into his manure heap during a gardening session whilst having a heart attack.

Then once they wipe all that shit out of his mouth, get the shit out of his blocked nose then they say Look : he chocked to death on all that shit, See...we told you gardening is bad. And all all that manure shit would not be needed if we would take care of the planet. See, we told you the planet is in danger. See how we are always right

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Britain's Health Advisory and Recovery Team Leads Call for Suspension of Boosters

Open Letter Urges Halt of Injections While Death Probe is Undertaken by Secretary of State for Health and Social Care

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20 Feb 2024
 
 

By Peter A. McCullough, MD, MPH

 

Britain's Health Advisory and Recovery Team co-chair Dr. Claire Craig supported by the UK Medical Freedom Alliance, and Children’s COVID Vaccine Advisory Council issued this joint open letter to Victoria Atkins, MP, Secretary of State for Health and Social Care on February 6, 2024. This letter was appended with dozens of physician-scientist signatures.

 

To: The Right Hon Victoria Atkins, MP, Secretary of State for Health and Social Care

CC: Dame Jenny Harries, CEO UKHSA; Professor Sir Christopher Whitty, CMO; Maria Caulfield MP


Dear Ms Atkins

 

Re: Urgent Review of Excess Deaths

 

Firstly, congratulations on your recent appointment as Secretary of State at the DHSC.

 

Your three months in office have given you time to see for yourself how much the NHS is struggling; with rising waiting lists, low staff morale and the devastating strike action. You will also be aware of the ongoing and concerning excess deaths in the UK, recently debated in Parliament. The fact that this is occurring in many Western countries and across all age groups, particularly younger adults for whom there were no excess deaths during 2020, should trigger alarm bells and prompt an urgent investigation.

 

In addition, in parallel with increased deaths, there has been a significant rise in levels of sickness and disability recorded throughout the working age population.  This has resulted in not only increased demands on the health service, but also has impacted the health and resilience of NHS staff themselves, with resulting high levels of staff sickness and absence, causing additional strain on an already struggling system.

 

The causes of excess mortality and morbidity are likely multifactorial, including the physical and mental impacts of lockdowns, delays in accessing treatment and long-term effects of Covid-19 itself.  However, a fourth potential factor appears to be being deliberately ignored: that is, any possible role of the mRNA Covid-19 vaccines. The timing of the rise in disabilities and deaths should make the vaccinations a definite suspect. As early as November 2020, many scientists and doctors, including those in UKMFA, were highlighting the potential risks of a rushed vaccine. 

 

Until this question has been thoroughly investigated, it is premature and reckless to be talking of using mRNA technology for future prophylactic vaccines (we take no view on the development of mRNA vaccines for their previously-intended role as therapeutic anti-cancer agents).  We are concerned that the Government is focused on the business opportunity for the UK, offered by the expansion of use of these technologies, but are ignoring potential risks to public health from these products, particularly to the immune and cardiovascular systems. The failure of COVID vaccines to stop viral circulation is obvious to all.  The obviousness of this failure, along with growing concern about the products’ safety – evidenced by poor uptake among those eligible – is undermining public trust in vaccination more generally, including where it is indubitably useful.   We have written repeatedly to the MHRA, the CMOs, the JCVI, and to your predecessor, regarding the many risks of rolling these vaccines out to children. Members of the Pandemic Response All Party Parliamentary Group also wrote a letter in January 2022, over two years ago, regarding increased all-cause mortality in 15–19-year-old males.

 

The first three signatories on this letter were all asked by Baroness Hallett to provide Witness Statements for Module 4 of the UK Covid-19 Public Inquiry; these we have recently submitted, only to learn that the date for the Module 4 hearings has been inexplicably and disappointingly postponed, likely until after the general election.

 

In the interim we therefore call upon you to suspend the booster programme, pending an immediate review into all aspects of Covid vaccine safety, as outlined in our letter to the MHRA a year ago. 

 

The health of the nation’s citizens is of paramount concern and must surely be a high priority for an incoming Minister.  We entreat you to apply the precautionary principle regarding the use of these products, which have been linked (in published scientific literature, adverse event databases and real-world epidemiological data) to numerous short- and long-term safety issues, particularly after multiple doses. Pausing their use is now becoming widely recognised to be the only rational, responsible and morally justifiable course of action.

We wish you well in the challenging job you have ahead.

 

Yours sincerely

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Open letters such as these are important all over the world because they prompt actions that should be taken, provide notice to the public that concerns are real, and take away plausible deniability for political leaders concerning the COVID-19 vaccine safety debacle.

 

Please subscribe to Courageous Discourse as a paying or founder member so we can continue to bring you the truth.

 

Peter A. McCullough, MD, MPH

President, McCullough Foundation

www.mcculloughfnd.org

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, webtrekker said:

Britain's Health Advisory and Recovery Team Leads Call for Suspension of Boosters

Open Letter Urges Halt of Injections While Death Probe is Undertaken by Secretary of State for Health and Social Care

https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-43
20 Feb 2024
 
 

By Peter A. McCullough, MD, MPH

 

Britain's Health Advisory and Recovery Team co-chair Dr. Claire Craig supported by the UK Medical Freedom Alliance, and Children’s COVID Vaccine Advisory Council issued this joint open letter to Victoria Atkins, MP, Secretary of State for Health and Social Care on February 6, 2024. This letter was appended with dozens of physician-scientist signatures.

 

To: The Right Hon Victoria Atkins, MP, Secretary of State for Health and Social Care

CC: Dame Jenny Harries, CEO UKHSA; Professor Sir Christopher Whitty, CMO; Maria Caulfield MP


Dear Ms Atkins

 

Re: Urgent Review of Excess Deaths

 

Firstly, congratulations on your recent appointment as Secretary of State at the DHSC.

 

Your three months in office have given you time to see for yourself how much the NHS is struggling; with rising waiting lists, low staff morale and the devastating strike action. You will also be aware of the ongoing and concerning excess deaths in the UK, recently debated in Parliament. The fact that this is occurring in many Western countries and across all age groups, particularly younger adults for whom there were no excess deaths during 2020, should trigger alarm bells and prompt an urgent investigation.

 

In addition, in parallel with increased deaths, there has been a significant rise in levels of sickness and disability recorded throughout the working age population.  This has resulted in not only increased demands on the health service, but also has impacted the health and resilience of NHS staff themselves, with resulting high levels of staff sickness and absence, causing additional strain on an already struggling system.

 

The causes of excess mortality and morbidity are likely multifactorial, including the physical and mental impacts of lockdowns, delays in accessing treatment and long-term effects of Covid-19 itself.  However, a fourth potential factor appears to be being deliberately ignored: that is, any possible role of the mRNA Covid-19 vaccines. The timing of the rise in disabilities and deaths should make the vaccinations a definite suspect. As early as November 2020, many scientists and doctors, including those in UKMFA, were highlighting the potential risks of a rushed vaccine. 

 

Until this question has been thoroughly investigated, it is premature and reckless to be talking of using mRNA technology for future prophylactic vaccines (we take no view on the development of mRNA vaccines for their previously-intended role as therapeutic anti-cancer agents).  We are concerned that the Government is focused on the business opportunity for the UK, offered by the expansion of use of these technologies, but are ignoring potential risks to public health from these products, particularly to the immune and cardiovascular systems. The failure of COVID vaccines to stop viral circulation is obvious to all.  The obviousness of this failure, along with growing concern about the products’ safety – evidenced by poor uptake among those eligible – is undermining public trust in vaccination more generally, including where it is indubitably useful.   We have written repeatedly to the MHRA, the CMOs, the JCVI, and to your predecessor, regarding the many risks of rolling these vaccines out to children. Members of the Pandemic Response All Party Parliamentary Group also wrote a letter in January 2022, over two years ago, regarding increased all-cause mortality in 15–19-year-old males.

 

The first three signatories on this letter were all asked by Baroness Hallett to provide Witness Statements for Module 4 of the UK Covid-19 Public Inquiry; these we have recently submitted, only to learn that the date for the Module 4 hearings has been inexplicably and disappointingly postponed, likely until after the general election.

 

In the interim we therefore call upon you to suspend the booster programme, pending an immediate review into all aspects of Covid vaccine safety, as outlined in our letter to the MHRA a year ago. 

 

The health of the nation’s citizens is of paramount concern and must surely be a high priority for an incoming Minister.  We entreat you to apply the precautionary principle regarding the use of these products, which have been linked (in published scientific literature, adverse event databases and real-world epidemiological data) to numerous short- and long-term safety issues, particularly after multiple doses. Pausing their use is now becoming widely recognised to be the only rational, responsible and morally justifiable course of action.

We wish you well in the challenging job you have ahead.

 

Yours sincerely

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Open letters such as these are important all over the world because they prompt actions that should be taken, provide notice to the public that concerns are real, and take away plausible deniability for political leaders concerning the COVID-19 vaccine safety debacle.

 

Please subscribe to Courageous Discourse as a paying or founder member so we can continue to bring you the truth.

 

Peter A. McCullough, MD, MPH

President, McCullough Foundation

www.mcculloughfnd.org

 

 

 

 

If 'Plausible Deniability' were to be taken away, I'd suggest ministers and others responsible for and promoting all the bollox would be shitting themselves

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On 2/23/2024 at 12:22 PM, Freaky Dragonfly said:

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Of course Rachael, your suggestion would not apply to you if you get struck down. I'm confident you would be happy to have your 'case' broadcast over social media.

 

Cunt !

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11 minutes ago, Nip said:

 

If 'Plausible Deniability' were to be taken away, I'd suggest ministers and others responsible for and promoting all the bollox would be shitting themselves

Claire Craig et al have just painted the elephant in the room fluorescent yellow and shoved it in the circus masters face. He won’t like that.

 

(Meaning she’s highlighted the probable main reason to continue the development and use of mRNA products- ££££££££.) 
 

Who are the people who’ve invested millions in mRNA tech? Sunak and pals, the very government in power right now, the very government pushing this lethal unnecessary technology onto unsuspecting citizens, for untold riches. 


It’s like the fox telling the farmer the chickens he steals and kills aren’t much good, but well done Dr. Claire for having a bash regardless 

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On 2/21/2024 at 10:48 PM, Grumpy Grapes said:

ITV Covid drama series "Breathtaking" co-creator Dr Rachel Clarke was criticising the Tories well before the pandemic:

 

Clarke’s political activism and general anti-Tory hatred is long established. Her modus operandi was openly revealed in a tweet to a fellow medic as far back as 2015:

 

https://order-order.com/2021/02/01/guidos-activist-experts-transparency-campaign/

 

Rachel Clarke specialises in palliative end of care treatment, and recently took this further, co-founding a medical charity in Ukraine - I wouldn't want to be one of their patients. 

https://www.hospiceukraine.com/what-we-do

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The next election won't fix our problems, we need a political 'clear out'.

 

The French Pfizer Article:

 

Article⁴) - Provocation to abandon or abstain from therapeutic or prophylactic medical treatment shall be punishable by one year’s imprisonment and a fine of €15000 (£12,820), where such abandonment or abstention is presented as beneficial to the health of the persons concerned, even although it is, in the current state of the medical knowledge, manifestly likely to result in a therapeutic or prophylactic medical treatment for them, in view of the pathology from which they are suffering, serious consequences for their physical or mental health.

 

The same penalties shall apply to incitement to adopt practices presented as having a therapeutic or prophylactic purpose for the persons concerned when, in the current state of medical knowledge, it is clear such practices expose them to an immediate risk of death or injury likely to result in mutilation or permanent disability.

 

Where the provocation in the first two paragraphs has been acted upon, the penalties shall be increased to three years imprisonment and a fine of €45000 (£38,460).

 

Where such offences are committed by means of the written or broadcast press, the special provisions of the laws governing such matters shall apply as regards the determination of the persons responsible.

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It basically sais 'If science (Pfizer) tells us the vaccine works and you tell people it doesn't, then you're causing harm by preventing people from taking medicine... Which we believe is beneficial.

 

When it comes to legislation and fines, they can go f**k themselves.

 

Go to court where they must prove quantifiable harm was caused, they won't be able to and the case will be dropped.

 

Dubious legislations the breaking of which result in unreasonable fines are a political intimidation tactic designed and used to scare the general public into obedience and silence.

 

Anyone can issue a fine to anyone for anything, but if you pay it fool on you. A court is the best place to settle fines, dont be scared into paying them especially ones with time limits that increase the fine, its all to prevent you from taking them to court because they know they can't win and will end up losing and paying your court fees and compensation in some cases.

 

Don't fear the court or the magistrate. If you are right, then fight.

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2 hours ago, Seconal said:

The next election won't fix our problems, we need a political 'clear out'.

 

The French Pfizer Article:

 

Article⁴) - Provocation to abandon or abstain from therapeutic or prophylactic medical treatment shall be punishable by one year’s imprisonment and a fine of €15000 (£12,820), where such abandonment or abstention is presented as beneficial to the health of the persons concerned, even although it is, in the current state of the medical knowledge, manifestly likely to result in a therapeutic or prophylactic medical treatment for them, in view of the pathology from which they are suffering, serious consequences for their physical or mental health.

 

The same penalties shall apply to incitement to adopt practices presented as having a therapeutic or prophylactic purpose for the persons concerned when, in the current state of medical knowledge, it is clear such practices expose them to an immediate risk of death or injury likely to result in mutilation or permanent disability.

 

Where the provocation in the first two paragraphs has been acted upon, the penalties shall be increased to three years imprisonment and a fine of €45000 (£38,460).

 

Where such offences are committed by means of the written or broadcast press, the special provisions of the laws governing such matters shall apply as regards the determination of the persons responsible.

 

They are desperately trying to cover their asses. They are being accused of mass murder, you know.

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2 hours ago, Seconal said:

The next election won't fix our problems, we need a political 'clear out'.

 

The French Pfizer Article:

 

Article⁴) - Provocation to abandon or abstain from therapeutic or prophylactic medical treatment shall be punishable by one year’s imprisonment and a fine of €15000 (£12,820), where such abandonment or abstention is presented as beneficial to the health of the persons concerned, even although it is, in the current state of the medical knowledge, manifestly likely to result in a therapeutic or prophylactic medical treatment for them, in view of the pathology from which they are suffering, serious consequences for their physical or mental health.

 

The same penalties shall apply to incitement to adopt practices presented as having a therapeutic or prophylactic purpose for the persons concerned when, in the current state of medical knowledge, it is clear such practices expose them to an immediate risk of death or injury likely to result in mutilation or permanent disability.

 

Where the provocation in the first two paragraphs has been acted upon, the penalties shall be increased to three years imprisonment and a fine of €45000 (£38,460).

 

Where such offences are committed by means of the written or broadcast press, the special provisions of the laws governing such matters shall apply as regards the determination of the persons responsible.

This is like McDonald’s joining up with government to say -

 

‘If you look thin or malnourished and we recommend a Big Mac for you to eat, if you don’t eat it or argue against eating it, or if you tell others not to eat it, we’ll fine you thousands of pounds and put you in prison.’ 
 

Utter insanity. 
 

We have to be ready. This will happen in uk, guaranteed.

 

The world as we knew it is over, it’s finished. 
 

Welcome to the brave new world 

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3 hours ago, Seconal said:

The next election won't fix our problems, we need a political 'clear out'.

 

The French Pfizer Article:

 

Article⁴) - Provocation to abandon or abstain from therapeutic or prophylactic medical treatment shall be punishable by one year’s imprisonment and a fine of €15000 (£12,820), where such abandonment or abstention is presented as beneficial to the health of the persons concerned, even although it is, in the current state of the medical knowledge, manifestly likely to result in a therapeutic or prophylactic medical treatment for them, in view of the pathology from which they are suffering, serious consequences for their physical or mental health.

 

The same penalties shall apply to incitement to adopt practices presented as having a therapeutic or prophylactic purpose for the persons concerned when, in the current state of medical knowledge, it is clear such practices expose them to an immediate risk of death or injury likely to result in mutilation or permanent disability.

 

Where the provocation in the first two paragraphs has been acted upon, the penalties shall be increased to three years imprisonment and a fine of €45000 (£38,460).

 

Where such offences are committed by means of the written or broadcast press, the special provisions of the laws governing such matters shall apply as regards the determination of the persons responsible.

 

Are they bluffing ... big time, I ask myself ? The whole idea just seems too insane.

 

Having said that,  is there any limit to their evil ideas ? Probably not ! Who knows

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