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1 hour ago, Mr H said:

My instinct tells me it's not a drain on the economy but who knows.

May 14, 201611:47 AMUpdated 7 years ago

German government plans to spend 93.6 billion euros on refugees by end 2020: Spiegel

By Reuters Staff

BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany’s government expects to spend around 93.6 billion euros by the end of 2020 on costs related to the refugee crisis, a magazine said on Saturday, citing a draft from the federal finance ministry for negotiations with the country’s 16 states.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-costs-idUSKCN0Y50DY

Migration to Germany to hit 1.2 million in 2022 — report

Nik Martin
12/04/2022December 4, 2022

With a million Ukrainian refugees and an expected 200,000 asylum claims, migration to Germany this year is set to surpass the 2015 European migrant crisis.

https://www.dw.com/en/migration-to-germany-to-hit-12-million-in-2022-report/a-63978746

 

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47 minutes ago, LastOneLeftInTheCounty said:

This is a good point.

 

How is it that so much value can be revolving around almost useless online ventures, and these people can be making hundreds of thousands a year from basically- nothing.

 

Like digital nomads who create sustainable online spaces or niche social spaces, consultancy, drop shipping, pointless plastic products, it boggles the mind that all these, at the moment, highly profitable businesses are based on nothing- or weak sentiment at best.

 

This is because everything is still relatively ‘good’. A few more years and no one will be caring about some online craft business or ‘sustainable’ woke social corporate bollocks consultancy, they’ll be clamouring for food scraps from the supermarket bins. 
 

But they make a decent living, can afford luxury holidays. 
Their consumer technology has given them their good life. They’ll never give up their device, they’ll gladly take the chip and any other vax/genetic modification/enhancement that is deemed necessary to carry on this life of abundance. 

Ha ha yes I know what you mean about those jobs....

 

About future economy I do have slightly different view. We are at the end of the fear cycle and at these turning points there is usually turmoil. So short term will be like this.

 

But everything is setting up for an unprecedented growth cycle after that.

 

The question will be who will benefit from the growth?

 

I suspect most of the growth will come from AI and robotics, with the proceeds going to the elites and some towards universal basic income for most, unless we can adapt and start doing other stuff.....

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7 minutes ago, Macnamara said:
May 14, 201611:47 AMUpdated 7 years ago

German government plans to spend 93.6 billion euros on refugees by end 2020: Spiegel

By Reuters Staff

BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany’s government expects to spend around 93.6 billion euros by the end of 2020 on costs related to the refugee crisis, a magazine said on Saturday, citing a draft from the federal finance ministry for negotiations with the country’s 16 states.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-costs-idUSKCN0Y50DY

Migration to Germany to hit 1.2 million in 2022 — report

Nik Martin
12/04/2022December 4, 2022

With a million Ukrainian refugees and an expected 200,000 asylum claims, migration to Germany this year is set to surpass the 2015 European migrant crisis.

https://www.dw.com/en/migration-to-germany-to-hit-12-million-in-2022-report/a-63978746

 

Does seem like a lot of money Mac. But we would have to define what drives a healthy economy and then see if they are net drain or not. Expenditure is certainly one consideration.

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1 minute ago, Mr H said:

The question will be who will benefit from the growth?

 

I suspect most of the growth will come from AI and robotics, with the proceeds going towards universal basic income for most, unless we can adapt and start doing other stuff.....

The usual suspects will benefit.

 

So no one will be struggling to earn a living because of universal basic income? 
 

This takes the struggle out of life, and it’s our struggles that define us, make us stronger. 
 

We’ll be just limp lumps of meat blindly following an AI scalextrix course set out for us. 
 

I suppose this is what we’re doing now anyway, whether we realise it or not. 

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1 minute ago, LastOneLeftInTheCounty said:

The usual suspects will benefit.

 

So no one will be struggling to earn a living because of universal basic income? 
 

This takes the struggle out of life, and it’s our struggles that define us, make us stronger. 
 

We’ll be just limp lumps of meat blindly following an AI scalextrix course set out for us. 
 

I suppose this is what we’re doing now anyway, whether we realise it or not. 

Yes I think we move to two tier system.

 

1. Those who own/ fund the new tech. And a privileged few.

 

2. Those reliant on the state and technology to live. They will essentially have to comply to get by. Unless as I said we can find new types of jobs/economy

 

This is kinda how I see it. 

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15 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

the ickes shared this piece recently on their website:

 

The ticking time-bomb

What the latest immigration numbers really mean

25 May 2023

 

https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.ama
 

And so there we have it. Despite all the talk of Britain “taking back control”, despite all the talk of lowering immigration, despite all the talk of reforming a national economy which is clearly broken, this morning it was revealed net migration into Britain has soared to a new and historically unprecedented record of 606,000 —meaning 606,000 more people entered the country than left.

Some of the numbers are truly staggering —like the fact 1.2 million people migrated into Britain last year, of which 925,000 came from outside Europe. Or the fact net migration has surged by another 118,000 people since 2021 alone, and has nearly doubled since before the Covid-19 pandemic. Or the fact the number of asylum-seekers who are arriving from outside Europe has surged to a new high of 76,000. Or the fact the number of people who are arriving on study-related visas since 2020 has rocketed by nearly 250,000. Or the fact the number of relatives of international students who are now also entering Britain has more than doubled in only two years.

There are a lot of arguments that could be made right now.

I could tell you that these numbers make a total mockery of the Conservative Party —that despite repeated promises in its last four manifestoes, net migration has now rocketed from 250,000 under David Cameron, in 2010, to more than 600,000 today.

I could tell you that much of this was stoked by Boris Johnson, the very man who promised to “bring overall numbers down” only to then liberalise the entire regime, even removing a requirement for firms to advertise jobs in Britain first and making it possible for overseas workers in some areas to be paid 20 per cent below the UK rate.

I could tell you that mass immigration is now clearly being used to prop up a failing system of higher education, that by flooding the market with international students and their relatives —many of whom do not attend the top universities or make a clear contribution to the economy— we’re preventing failing universities from going bust and removing any incentive for the sector to reform and invest in British kids.

https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.ama
 

I could tell you that despite the Tories trying to dress this up as leading Britain into a new era of “high-skilled” immigration it’s nothing of the sort —that we’re now just flooding the post-Brexit economy with even larger numbers of low-skilled workers who are often moving into jobs which pay less than the average national wage and so removing any reason for companies to invest in innovation and British workers.

I could tell you that despite all the promises over the last twenty years that mass immigration would open the door to higher growth and productivity the reality that confronts us today is quite different —it’s contributed to a low growth, stagnant, and unproductive economy built around cheap labour, consumption, and London.

I could tell you that despite what the experts said, the latest evidence on the labour market effects of mass immigration finds that while it’s had positive effects on the highest paid and typically graduate workers, it’s had negative effects on the lowest-paid and typically non-graduate workers, reducing their hourly wage while helping to prop up a broken economy that’s built around the new graduate elite

 

I could tell you that mass immigration is fanning the flames of Britain’s acute and escalating housing crisis —that while we built just over 200,000 homes last year new estimates suggest Britain will need to build at least 616,000 houses a year just to cope with the extra demand from migrants. Or that the foreign-born are far more likely than the British be crowding into an already overcrowded rental sector, driving up rents and putting further pressure on a market that’s already, visibly collapsing.

https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.ama
 

I could tell you that the claim, often heard in Westminster, that Brexit Britain is now attracting ‘the best and the brightest’ is undermined by the fact migrants are more likely than Brits to rely on social housing and that while British families are being forced to leave their homes and communities in London, 40 per cent of the rising number of Sub-Saharan Africans are now living in social housing in the capital.

I could tell you that contrary to all the talk, our post-Brexit immigration system is now rapidly being reshaped around the very non-European migrants who —unlike those from Europe— have been shown to be far more likely to bring net economic costs, largely because they have more children and rely more heavily on welfare benefits.

I could tell you that while after Brexit the British people were promised their left behind regions and communities would be ‘levelled-up’, so far this year we’ve spent more on housing asylum-seekers and illegal migrants —a total of £1.3 billion— than we’ve spent on ALL levelling-up funds in England’s North East, North West, and Yorkshire regions combined. We’ve spent more on managing the effects of this broken system than we’ve spent on levelling-up Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

 

I could even tell you not to trust the numbers you’re reading today, that because for twenty years the “experts” have told us one thing only to later discover it wasn’t true at all —like the time six million EU nationals applied for settled status when we were told only 3.5 million were in Britain, or the time officials in charge of counting the numbers failed to realise many migrants were flying into airports they were not even monitoring, or the fact that on a regular basis the migration numbers people are supposed to trust are routinely later revised upwards.

I could tell you all of that. I could also tell you —as I have before— that the system is completely and utterly broken and is no longer fit for purpose. I could tell you that despite what they say none of our leaders on the right or left have any intention whatsoever of bringing immigration down because their “expert” economic models are now based on the assumption that it’s here to stay for the foreseeable future, that like a drug addict Britain is now completely hooked on importing masses of cheap migrant labour to try and conceal the glaring problems in our national economy.

And I could tell you —because they have told me— that nobody in our ruling class is planning, seriously, for what all this means for our escalating housing crisis, our deteriorating schools, our collapsing National Health Service, our stagnant economy, our fraying social cohesion, our sense of national identity, and our ability to trust our fellow citizens, a crucial prerequisite to having a functioning and viable welfare state.

So let me tell you something else -let me tell you what I’m really worried about. I’m worried that we are now putting a ticking time bomb at the very heart of our politics and society —that by failing to learn a key lesson of the last decade, that people want less not more immigration, we are opening the door to something that will make the political chaos and division of the last decade look like a gentle stroll in the park.

You can already see the warning signs. Contrary to the new elite who routinely line-up on Twitter to tell you Britain is ‘liberalising’ and people no longer care about mass immigration, an issue they are themselves heavily invested in maintaining, the actual numbers on the ground tell a remarkably and radically different story.

Immigration is back to being the third most important issue for all voters and the second most important for conservatives. Eight in ten of all voters think the issue is being managed badly. Six in ten think it’s ‘too high’. More than half want it reduced. And only one in four people think, without any hesitation, that mass immigration has been good for Britain. The new elite might smother themselves in comfort blankets, proclaiming that what this means is people want more immigration, but they’re wrong.

 

And the more we play this silly game the less people trust the system. Public confidence in our leaders to deal with immigration has simply collapsed which is an incredibly dangerous place for any democracy to be. When, today, the British people are asked who they trust to deal with immigration only a small minority back one of the two main parties while a plurality say “none of them” or “I don’t know”.

The politics of immigration, in other words, is now returning with a vengeance largely because the new elite have failed, once again, to respect and recognise the fact that many people in the country do not share their strongly pro-immigration views. But it will also be different to what came before. Whereas in the 2010s immigration became fused with the European Union and provided a gateway to Brexit, from hereon, in the 2020s, it will increasingly be fused with a much wider array of issues -our housing crisis, our collapsing public services, our hollowed out economy, our environment, our spiralling welfare system, our glaringly out-of-touch political and cultural class.

Contrary to the hope many of us had that Brexit would pour water over the populist flames, that it would usher in a new generation of leaders who finally respected and grasped the fact most people do not want their country —their home— to be characterised and completely upended by relentless demographic and cultural churn and change, Brexit has instead pushed forward leaders who are now pouring gasoline over the flames, who are dangerously out of touch with the rest of the country and who are now rapidly pushing us all back toward the politics of division and chaos.

Just look elsewhere —at what’s unfolding in France, in Italy, in Sweden, in Spain, in Portugal, in Austria, in Germany, and America where Donald Trump and now Ron DeSantis are zooming in on the very same issue, joining the ongoing national populist revolt against a neglectful and self-serving elite. Britain, since Brexit, has become unusual for being one of the only Western democracies to have fended off this revolt. But the consistent and continual failure of our leaders to deliver on their promise by lowering the overall numbers and building an economy that actually works for the British people will not only guarantee that the Conservatives lose the next general election but is also putting a ticking time bomb at the very heart of our politics and society. The only question is when will it go off and who or what will detonate it.

https://mattgoodwin.substack.com/p/the-ticking-time-bomb?publication_id=858965&isFreemail=true

The migrants want what we’ve got, an easy life, safety and benefits. 
 

The thing is, it’s not an easy life, it’s not safe, and benefits are not what they think. 
 

The western nations are collecting bodies, the more the better, for purposes unknown 

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Just now, LastOneLeftInTheCounty said:

The usual suspects will benefit.

 

So no one will be struggling to earn a living because of universal basic income? 
 

This takes the struggle out of life, and it’s our struggles that define us, make us stronger. 
 

We’ll be just limp lumps of meat blindly following an AI scalextrix course set out for us. 
 

I suppose this is what we’re doing now anyway, whether we realise it or not. 

 

this really goes to the heart of it

 

if you think about our forefathers a few hundred years ago they were mostly on the land growing and raising their own food. They weren't 'wage slaves' who commuted to a work place. The farm WAS their work place and the food was the direct result of the work

 

Since then we have been moved off the land and a kind of middle man has been placed between us and the food. Now we don't work to produce the food. Now we work to earn 'currency' which we then use to buy food produced somewhere else by someone else

 

The next step is for them to move even those few farmers off the land and to replace them with drones and AI farming large monoculture GMO fields. All people will be pushed into reservations known as 'smart cities'. People won't have work to do to get currency they will simply be given a small stipend of abstract digital currency

 

However i very much doubt the cabal intend that to be the long term plan. I think once they have reduced all humans down to the status of what they would call 'useless eaters' their task will be to phase us out of existence

 

As many people will be spiritually bankrupted through this process they may well acquiesce to the various soft kill methods such as endless rounds of mRNA jabs.

 

Unless of course people can awaken a spark of self respect....we live in hope

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1 minute ago, Mr H said:

 Unless as I said we can find new types of jobs/economy

 

surely then the answer to that question is to get people BACK onto the land farming on a small and local scale so that people are DIRECTLY involved with their own food production. This then gives meaning and purpose to people along with healthy food that comes at low environmental impact

 

This is of course the complete opposite of what the UN Agenda 2030 mob want

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1 minute ago, Mr H said:

Yes I think we move to two tier system.

 

1. Those who own/ fund the new tech. And a privileged few.

 

2. Those reliant on the state and technology to live. They will essentially have to comply to get by. Unless as I said we can find new types of jobs/economy

 

This is kinda how I see it. 

Sounds like sovereign/restricted/quarantined, see the thread in…. where is it? Todays news? Where everyone is gooning over the latest celebrity sex gossip? Oh the sheepishly sheepish sheep! 

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3 minutes ago, LastOneLeftInTheCounty said:

The migrants want what we’ve got, an easy life, safety and benefits.

 

crowding people into a collapsing economy doesn't produce safety or benefits. It creates upheval and crisis from which the cabal will offer their solution: enslavement on a technocratic plantation

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7 minutes ago, Mr H said:

Yes I think we move to two tier system.

 

1. Those who own/ fund the new tech. And a privileged few.

 

2. Those reliant on the state and technology to live. They will essentially have to comply to get by. Unless as I said we can find new types of jobs/economy

 

This is kinda how I see it. 

What I don't agree with is the mad Max economy going to shit thesis on any type of prolonged period of time 

 

We're in the end of the fear economic cycle and at these turning points there is always turmoil. But it's pretty short lived. But we can see it now, inflation and probable recession and potential banking crisis.

 

This is not unique It repeats in history forever. The other side is massive greed and growth cycle. And the economy will be booming again and more so because of AI. Just as discussed above we might not be the beneficiaries of this.

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2 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

crowding people into a collapsing economy doesn't produce safety or benefits. It creates upheval and crisis from which the cabal will offer their solution: enslavement on a technocratic plantation

 

1 minute ago, Mr H said:

What I don't agree with is the mad Max economy going to shit thesis.

 

We're in the end of the fear economic cycle and at these turning points there is always turmoil. But it's pretty short lived. But we can see it now, inflation and probable recession and potential banking crisis.

 

This is not unity. It repeats in history forever. The other side is massive greed and growth cycle. And the economy will be booming again and more so beyond AI. Just as discussed above we might not be the beneficiaries of this.

Everything we’re discussing here will only be achievable through one thing, maybe two things- depopulation and food. 
What two things have recently had an mRNA makeover?

 

Our bodies and our food. 
 

Got em by the balls

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6 minutes ago, LastOneLeftInTheCounty said:

The western nations are collecting bodies, the more the better, for purposes unknown 

 

i think we DO know the purpose. They want to breakdown the existing societies to form a new globalised one under a world government

 

its the same 'new world order' conspiracy it has ALWAYS been.

 

By flooding people in and replacing the existing populations they water down cultural identity, national identity, social cohesion and create a rootless mass of people who have no sense of historical connection to each other, to the land they live on, to a nation or to anything and those people then become what the marxist city planners of the 1960's called a 'tabula rasa' (a blank slate) on which they can then impose THEIR new NWO culture (the 'new normal')

 

This is why communists speak of a 'year zero' because in the marxist mindset there is no history prior to the advent of the revolution and anyone who knows otherwise is disposed of in 'killing fields'

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7 minutes ago, Mr H said:

This is not unique It repeats in history forever.

 

I don't think that is entirely true. I think the circumstances for the current situation were created through the creation of central banks

 

what you call the 'greed and growth' cycle aka 'the business cycle' is manufactured by the central banks who make credit readily available to create boom times eg the 'roaring twenties' and then they restrict the money supply to create crisis eg the 'great depression' so that they can repossess homes and assets and fleece the sheep. They do this every few generations as the public never learn

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12 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

surely then the answer to that question is to get people BACK onto the land farming on a small and local scale so that people are DIRECTLY involved with their own food production. This then gives meaning and purpose to people along with healthy food that comes at low environmental impact

 

This is of course the complete opposite of what the UN Agenda 2030 mob want

That's what I would like Mac.

 

But from the elites POV. Tech is probably a more efficient and profitable solution to farming. And I'm sure they'd rather normal folks be on UBI. And spend that money on useless products produced by Robots....

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10 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

I don't think that is entirely true. I think the circumstances for the current situation were created through the creation of central banks

What I am saying Mac is that fear and growth cycles and the turmoil in-between, at the reset point, has been going on for centuries.

 

Every generation that had to experience these turning/reset points also thought the world was going to end, Armageddon etc......

 

We're not unique. 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, LastOneLeftInTheCounty said:

Sounds like sovereign/restricted/quarantined, see the thread in…. where is it? Todays news? Where everyone is gooning over the latest celebrity sex gossip? Oh the sheepishly sheepish sheep! 

The most important thing in the world at the moment is Philip Schofield's ding dong!

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16 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

the ickes shared this piece recently on their website:

 

The ticking time-bomb

What the latest immigration numbers really mean

25 May 2023

 

https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.ama
 

And so there we have it. Despite all the talk of Britain “taking back control”, despite all the talk of lowering immigration, despite all the talk of reforming a national economy which is clearly broken, this morning it was revealed net migration into Britain has soared to a new and historically unprecedented record of 606,000 —meaning 606,000 more people entered the country than left.

Some of the numbers are truly staggering —like the fact 1.2 million people migrated into Britain last year, of which 925,000 came from outside Europe. Or the fact net migration has surged by another 118,000 people since 2021 alone, and has nearly doubled since before the Covid-19 pandemic. Or the fact the number of asylum-seekers who are arriving from outside Europe has surged to a new high of 76,000. Or the fact the number of people who are arriving on study-related visas since 2020 has rocketed by nearly 250,000. Or the fact the number of relatives of international students who are now also entering Britain has more than doubled in only two years.

There are a lot of arguments that could be made right now.

I could tell you that these numbers make a total mockery of the Conservative Party —that despite repeated promises in its last four manifestoes, net migration has now rocketed from 250,000 under David Cameron, in 2010, to more than 600,000 today.

I could tell you that much of this was stoked by Boris Johnson, the very man who promised to “bring overall numbers down” only to then liberalise the entire regime, even removing a requirement for firms to advertise jobs in Britain first and making it possible for overseas workers in some areas to be paid 20 per cent below the UK rate.

I could tell you that mass immigration is now clearly being used to prop up a failing system of higher education, that by flooding the market with international students and their relatives —many of whom do not attend the top universities or make a clear contribution to the economy— we’re preventing failing universities from going bust and removing any incentive for the sector to reform and invest in British kids.

https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.ama
 

I could tell you that despite the Tories trying to dress this up as leading Britain into a new era of “high-skilled” immigration it’s nothing of the sort —that we’re now just flooding the post-Brexit economy with even larger numbers of low-skilled workers who are often moving into jobs which pay less than the average national wage and so removing any reason for companies to invest in innovation and British workers.

I could tell you that despite all the promises over the last twenty years that mass immigration would open the door to higher growth and productivity the reality that confronts us today is quite different —it’s contributed to a low growth, stagnant, and unproductive economy built around cheap labour, consumption, and London.

I could tell you that despite what the experts said, the latest evidence on the labour market effects of mass immigration finds that while it’s had positive effects on the highest paid and typically graduate workers, it’s had negative effects on the lowest-paid and typically non-graduate workers, reducing their hourly wage while helping to prop up a broken economy that’s built around the new graduate elite

 

I could tell you that mass immigration is fanning the flames of Britain’s acute and escalating housing crisis —that while we built just over 200,000 homes last year new estimates suggest Britain will need to build at least 616,000 houses a year just to cope with the extra demand from migrants. Or that the foreign-born are far more likely than the British be crowding into an already overcrowded rental sector, driving up rents and putting further pressure on a market that’s already, visibly collapsing.

https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.ama
 

I could tell you that the claim, often heard in Westminster, that Brexit Britain is now attracting ‘the best and the brightest’ is undermined by the fact migrants are more likely than Brits to rely on social housing and that while British families are being forced to leave their homes and communities in London, 40 per cent of the rising number of Sub-Saharan Africans are now living in social housing in the capital.

I could tell you that contrary to all the talk, our post-Brexit immigration system is now rapidly being reshaped around the very non-European migrants who —unlike those from Europe— have been shown to be far more likely to bring net economic costs, largely because they have more children and rely more heavily on welfare benefits.

I could tell you that while after Brexit the British people were promised their left behind regions and communities would be ‘levelled-up’, so far this year we’ve spent more on housing asylum-seekers and illegal migrants —a total of £1.3 billion— than we’ve spent on ALL levelling-up funds in England’s North East, North West, and Yorkshire regions combined. We’ve spent more on managing the effects of this broken system than we’ve spent on levelling-up Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

 

I could even tell you not to trust the numbers you’re reading today, that because for twenty years the “experts” have told us one thing only to later discover it wasn’t true at all —like the time six million EU nationals applied for settled status when we were told only 3.5 million were in Britain, or the time officials in charge of counting the numbers failed to realise many migrants were flying into airports they were not even monitoring, or the fact that on a regular basis the migration numbers people are supposed to trust are routinely later revised upwards.

I could tell you all of that. I could also tell you —as I have before— that the system is completely and utterly broken and is no longer fit for purpose. I could tell you that despite what they say none of our leaders on the right or left have any intention whatsoever of bringing immigration down because their “expert” economic models are now based on the assumption that it’s here to stay for the foreseeable future, that like a drug addict Britain is now completely hooked on importing masses of cheap migrant labour to try and conceal the glaring problems in our national economy.

And I could tell you —because they have told me— that nobody in our ruling class is planning, seriously, for what all this means for our escalating housing crisis, our deteriorating schools, our collapsing National Health Service, our stagnant economy, our fraying social cohesion, our sense of national identity, and our ability to trust our fellow citizens, a crucial prerequisite to having a functioning and viable welfare state.

So let me tell you something else -let me tell you what I’m really worried about. I’m worried that we are now putting a ticking time bomb at the very heart of our politics and society —that by failing to learn a key lesson of the last decade, that people want less not more immigration, we are opening the door to something that will make the political chaos and division of the last decade look like a gentle stroll in the park.

You can already see the warning signs. Contrary to the new elite who routinely line-up on Twitter to tell you Britain is ‘liberalising’ and people no longer care about mass immigration, an issue they are themselves heavily invested in maintaining, the actual numbers on the ground tell a remarkably and radically different story.

Immigration is back to being the third most important issue for all voters and the second most important for conservatives. Eight in ten of all voters think the issue is being managed badly. Six in ten think it’s ‘too high’. More than half want it reduced. And only one in four people think, without any hesitation, that mass immigration has been good for Britain. The new elite might smother themselves in comfort blankets, proclaiming that what this means is people want more immigration, but they’re wrong.

 

And the more we play this silly game the less people trust the system. Public confidence in our leaders to deal with immigration has simply collapsed which is an incredibly dangerous place for any democracy to be. When, today, the British people are asked who they trust to deal with immigration only a small minority back one of the two main parties while a plurality say “none of them” or “I don’t know”.

The politics of immigration, in other words, is now returning with a vengeance largely because the new elite have failed, once again, to respect and recognise the fact that many people in the country do not share their strongly pro-immigration views. But it will also be different to what came before. Whereas in the 2010s immigration became fused with the European Union and provided a gateway to Brexit, from hereon, in the 2020s, it will increasingly be fused with a much wider array of issues -our housing crisis, our collapsing public services, our hollowed out economy, our environment, our spiralling welfare system, our glaringly out-of-touch political and cultural class.

Contrary to the hope many of us had that Brexit would pour water over the populist flames, that it would usher in a new generation of leaders who finally respected and grasped the fact most people do not want their country —their home— to be characterised and completely upended by relentless demographic and cultural churn and change, Brexit has instead pushed forward leaders who are now pouring gasoline over the flames, who are dangerously out of touch with the rest of the country and who are now rapidly pushing us all back toward the politics of division and chaos.

Just look elsewhere —at what’s unfolding in France, in Italy, in Sweden, in Spain, in Portugal, in Austria, in Germany, and America where Donald Trump and now Ron DeSantis are zooming in on the very same issue, joining the ongoing national populist revolt against a neglectful and self-serving elite. Britain, since Brexit, has become unusual for being one of the only Western democracies to have fended off this revolt. But the consistent and continual failure of our leaders to deliver on their promise by lowering the overall numbers and building an economy that actually works for the British people will not only guarantee that the Conservatives lose the next general election but is also putting a ticking time bomb at the very heart of our politics and society. The only question is when will it go off and who or what will detonate it.

https://mattgoodwin.substack.com/p/the-ticking-time-bomb?publication_id=858965&isFreemail=true

 

A very excellent write up of how the traitors currently occupying our Parliament must be removed from office, arrested, investigated and when found guilty by judge and jury for the treasonous actions against, We, The people of Britannia, marched to the gallows for a public execution by hanging until dead, those that are deemed to have aided and abetted in this outrage of convid and the blatant attempt of disenfranchisement via unrelenting immigration should be imprisoned and those that voted to throw our God given rights in the bin as though it were a trifling matter, as though they had the right to do so in the first instance, banned from ever holding office of any kind again, forever, because trust along with these sacred rights also got thrown in the bin three and a half years ago, DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR!!!

 

I still feel we are on track and this must happen, 👍

https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/30670-uk-general-election-in-october-2023

 

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25 minutes ago, Mr H said:

But from the elites POV. Tech is probably a more efficient and profitable solution to farming. And I'm sure they'd rather normal folks be on UBI. And spend that money on useless products produced by Robots....

 

i think from the elites POV they want most people gone

 

eating the bugs, taking the mRNA jabs, eating GMO's, drinking fluoride, and taking whatever else is offered under a programmable central bank digital currency which will decide what you can buy and what you can't buy which will all be geared towards destroying health and fertility to phase out large swathes of humanity, including you

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19 minutes ago, Mr H said:

What I am saying Mac is that fear and growth cycles and the turmoil in-between, at the reset point, has been going on for centuries.

 

Every generation that had to experience these turning/reset points also thought the world was going to end, Armageddon etc......

 

We're not unique.

 

and what i'm saying is that it is a mistake to think of these upturns and downturns as some sort of natural occurance like the changing of the seasons. They are absolutely orchestrated

 

for example the hyper-inflation in weimar germany was manufactured by the same old central banking crowd and this process is outlined by professor sutton in his books like 'wall st and the rise of hitler' that examine the various reparations schemes imposed on germany after world war 1

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4 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

i think from the elites POV they want most people gone

 

eating the bugs, taking the mRNA jabs, eating GMO's, drinking fluoride, and taking whatever else is offered under a programmable central bank digital currency which will decide what you can buy and what you can't buy will all be geared towards destroying health and fertility to phase out large swathes of humanity, including you

Yes there does seem to be this agenda playing as well.

 

Thx for the immigration links will rd this afternoon 

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1 minute ago, Macnamara said:

 

and what i'm saying is that it is a mistake to think of these upturns and downturns as some sort of natural occurance like the changing of the seasons. They are absolutely orchestrated

 

for example the hyper-inflation in weimar germany was manufactured by the same old central banking crowd and this process is outlined by professor sutton in his books like 'wall st and the rise of hitler' that examine the various reparations schemes imposed on germany after world war 1

I completely agree. It comes as a result of actions of  those that control the money supply mainly. The result is cyclical events.

 

It is certainly not nature.

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2 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

i think from the elites POV they want most people gone

 

eating the bugs, taking the mRNA jabs, eating GMO's, drinking fluoride, and taking whatever else is offered under a programmable central bank digital currency which will decide what you can buy and what you can't buy will all be geared towards destroying health and fertility to phase out large swathes of humanity, including you

 

This is the key to decipher exactly the mind set that they do not want you to know, once you see it from this angle everything that has transpired over the last century becomes all too visible, we are at the end of a huge cycle and the transition to a new one and all of the break-away civilisation mob as they see themselves just jockeying for positions of dominance to ensure their survival, 👍

https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/24007-100000-year-milankovitch-cycle-peaking-2024is-this-the-reason-why-they-are-locking-down-the-human-race

 

 

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Yes there does seem to be this agenda playing as well.

 

Thx for the immigration links will rd this afternoon 

 

they want to get our corrupt government to amend the WHO pandemic treaty so that the next time the WHO declare a pandemic eg for 'bird flu' the countries will all follow the dictats of the WHO which is really just a wing of the rothschild/rockefeller created united nations ( a de facto world government).

 

This means that if the WHO declared a 'pandemic' democracy would effectively be suspended like what happened in germany after hitler passed the 'enabling act' after the reichstag fire

 

This means that the WHO could impose more lockdowns (to destroy the economy), mandatory vaccines (more mRNA jabs) and 'quarantine camps' (concentration camps) for the 'refusniks' and the british government would simply comply

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