Mr H Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 7 hours ago, Freaky Dragonfly said: Once the immune system is compromised then it's pot-luck to whatever comes along to kill you. Something might come from within or something from the outside. Ah yes. Totally agree and just had similar thought just before reading your post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 4 hours ago, Captainlove said: Sorry mac i dont get what your saying. tony blair brought in a system of having 'targets' into the NHS. Overnight patients were transformed from being human beings to being statistics Doctors were under pressure to meet 'targets' given to them by a growing managerial class and in order to do that they started gaming the system The journalist adam curtis talked about this in one of his documentaries. i think it was 'the trap': 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornFreeNowAgain Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 (edited) 4 hours ago, Captainlove said: This is an unfair comment. I worked for the NHS and i did the best i could for patients. It was me trying to treat them as humans not numbers that mangers didnt like so i left as i refused to work the way they wanted me too. That is a fair comment (yours btw). I totally get the distrust of the NHS these days, and the flak those who work for them now get. I worked for an organisation(not the NHS) that used to be totally aligned with providing good services for the community, until the 'Big G' funding and then the changes that they demand totally changed the organisation and what it could provide for the community. All the good people left, and of course they are replaced with people that more 'morally align' with the new way of doing things. So, I think anyone still working for the NHS at this stage, has proved they lack the moral compass to put others before self. The ones that are left, deserve every bit of criticism coming their way, as well as any responsibility that is deemed to be afforded to them through their actions. Edited March 29 by BornFreeNowAgain 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensiblejoe Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 8 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said: That is a fair comment (yours btw). I totally get the distrust of the NHS these days, and the flak those who work for them now get. I worked for an organisation(not the NHS) that used to be totally aligned with providing good services for the community, until the 'Big G' funding and then the changes that they demand totally changed the organisation and what it could provide for the community. All the good people left, and of course they are replaced with people that more 'morally align' with the new way of doing things. So, I think anyone still working for the NHS at this stage, has proved they lack the moral compass to put others before self. The ones that are left, deserve every bit of criticism coming their way, as well as any responsibility that is deemed to be afforded to them through their actions. Myself and family have been treated first class by NHS, could be lucky part of the country. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 As far as the NHS goes, I think there is good and bad. Same as any vocation. Yes they have to meet targets but some still work with the kindness and dignified treatment patients expect. Also, its easy to say they all lack the moral compass when they still have bills to pay and children to feed. Im not suggesting there are not really bad doctors etc. My Mum was treated like shite. On the other hand, I went to Treliske Hospital the other day. The people who gave me an ultrasound were great. We had a good laugh. The doctor was really happy when I asked to shake his hand. "Finally a normal person" he exclaimed 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captainlove Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 11 hours ago, Macnamara said: tony blair brought in a system of having 'targets' into the NHS. Overnight patients were transformed from being human beings to being statistics Doctors were under pressure to meet 'targets' given to them by a growing managerial class and in order to do that they started gaming the system The journalist adam curtis talked about this in one of his documentaries. i think it was 'the trap': Yep got what you mean. Yes this is correct,all professions were under these pressures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freaky Dragonfly Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 12 hours ago, Mr H said: This could very well explain it. The other thing I can think of is that it causes cytokinin storm and weakens immune system generally rather than killing you right away, unless you're unlucky. Then it's like a waiting game ... The average jabbed individual has been reduced by 15%. Society has been reduced by 15%. 15% reduction after the first attack was the aim and it has been achieved. 15% is hardly noticeable. Now wait for the next attack. It's like compound interest. Eventually it will wipe them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmund Blackadder Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 2 hours ago, Bombadil said: As far as the NHS goes, I think there is good and bad. Same as any vocation. Yes they have to meet targets but some still work with the kindness and dignified treatment patients expect. Also, its easy to say they all lack the moral compass when they still have bills to pay and children to feed. Im not suggesting there are not really bad doctors etc. My Mum was treated like shite. On the other hand, I went to Treliske Hospital the other day. The people who gave me an ultrasound were great. We had a good laugh. The doctor was really happy when I asked to shake his hand. "Finally a normal person" he exclaimed Bollocks mate. Remember all the empty hospitals, dancing wankers and midazolam? Paying bills at the expense of others, thats ok then. How many of those fuckers have spoke out. National Harold Shipman. If there was any 'good' ones why haven't they said anything? Fuckin spacka dancin quadrupeds. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freaky Dragonfly Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 (edited) 11 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said: ..... So, I think anyone still working for the NHS at this stage, has proved they lack the moral compass to put others before self. ..... They are also fully jabbed up to the eyeballs and secretly distrustful if you are not jabbed. Edited March 30 by Freaky Dragonfly 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmund Blackadder Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 34 minutes ago, Captainlove said: Yep got what you mean. Yes this is correct,all professions were under these pressures. Ooh, oh dear not pressure. feck off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captainlove Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 4 minutes ago, Edmund Blackadder said: Ooh, oh dear not pressure. feck off. Its ok edmund you dont understand What NHS manager pressure is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XelNaga Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 18 hours ago, Bombadil said: Yet Musk is one of the main men involved Elon Musk is a wolf in sheep clothing. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmund Blackadder Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 2 hours ago, Captainlove said: Its ok edmund you dont understand What NHS manager pressure is. Waah Waah. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemo Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 (edited) The NHS does suck but its better than a paid for healthcare. If anyone developed say brain cancer, the NHS wouldn't flinch to spend a million on surgery and treatment and all without direct charge. A socialist system of healthcare is a charitable institution. Could you imagine having hospital bills because of some accident or disease and having to deal with tricky insurance companies, with their networks and costs. So sure the NHS is held together with cash but its better than the alternative for most of us. The idea is to 'protect the NHS at all costs' and believe me there are vested interests that have been working for a long time to crush the NHS so that enormous profits could be reaped from privatised health, in its place. So however ugly it gets, we must bodge job fix it as it runs. I love the principle, hate the beaurocrats. Edited March 30 by Nemo 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captainlove Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 2 hours ago, Edmund Blackadder said: Waah Waah. What are you 12 ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 MOD NOTE: can we calm down please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemo Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 (edited) MEMBER NOTE: can we get a 'dislike/disagree' emoji please? One that expresses that you feel a post isnt true or that you feel a post is dumb and that you dislike it. The choice to emote ones 'dislike' of a post may prevent 'undesirable' comments from being posted in response to a 'disliked' post, where instead the use of a 'dislike/disagree' emoji could suffice in place and in preference of such comments. Edited March 30 by Nemo 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCP Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 2 minutes ago, Nemo said: MEMBER NOTE: can we get a 'dislike/disagree' emoji? One that expresses that you feel a post isnt true or that you feel a post is dumb. The choice to emote 'dislike' may save on further 'undesirable' comments being posted in response to a 'disliked' post. I agree. There's no reason to follow the lead of youtube by omitting the dislike button. If there is a like button; why not a dislike button? Like votes should add to your reputation and dislike votes subtract from it. It probably would reduce many 'undesirable' comments. I suppose one option is to start using the Haha emoji to laugh at their comments ......... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 4 hours ago, Nemo said: A socialist system of healthcare is a charitable institution. let me just play devils advocate here. the NHS is not a charitable institution. It currently takes up 40% of government spending so we are all paying for it through a combination of tax and inflation. Lets also consider this covid scam we just witnessed. They were able to pull this off because the NHS is a top down control structure where doctors and nurses all blindly followed 'protocols' handed down to them from a bloated managerial class who in turn took their direction from government Because it is such a monolithic and socialistic structure it was able to carry out the dictats of the government with little opposition and with ruthless efficiency. What will be the true cost of all this? I think we are just seeing the tip of the iceburg 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamboozooka Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Covid testing scaled back further in England https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65127635 Most staff and patients in hospitals and care homes will no longer be given swab tests, even if they have symptoms. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheConsultant Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Reading that article bam, when did BBC remove the coronavirus banner at the top of their page? Less testing = less cases which is good. Only 24 months later than it should have been done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamboozooka Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 20 minutes ago, TheConsultant said: Reading that article bam, when did BBC remove the coronavirus banner at the top of their page? Less testing = less cases which is good. Only 24 months later than it should have been done. it was there 22 march 2023 http://web.archive.org/web/20230322041306/https://www.bbc.com/news it was gone 23 march 2023 http://web.archive.org/web/20230323020017/https://www.bbc.co.uk/news wasnt the end date for the covid shot clinical trial 23 march 2023? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemo Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 (edited) 3 hours ago, Macnamara said: 7 hours ago, Nemo said: A socialist system of healthcare is a charitable institution. let me just play devils advocate here. the NHS is not a charitable institution. It currently takes up 40% of government spending so we are all paying for it through a combination of tax and inflation. Lets also consider this covid scam we just witnessed. They were able to pull this off because the NHS is a top down control structure where doctors and nurses all blindly followed 'protocols' handed down to them from a bloated managerial class who in turn took their direction from government Because it is such a monolithic and socialistic structure it was able to carry out the dictats of the government with little opposition and with ruthless efficiency. What will be the true cost of all this? I think we are just seeing the tip of the iceburg I didn't mean the NHS is a charity, I meant its principle are charitable and socialised healthcare is charitable to those who could not afford privatised healthcare. Socialism is a form of charity, a national social charity, but yes people have to pay for it. Despite blindly following Covid protocols, do you think private hospitals would have done anything different, or just charged governments and patients for the privilege of being vaccinated, because private companies are capitalist and would have lobbied for mandatory vaccinations and charged through the roof for Covid care, hospital stays would have doubled in price as would the cost of care. Covid patients where a gold mine in the U.S and yet the NHS received £47bn of ringfenced (dedicated) Covid funding. in the UK the NHS spends around £3,840 yearly per person. In the US health insurance has an average yearly cost of £6,248 per person. As for it being a monolithic and socialistic structure, I do believe in our institutions and the principles they stand for, as for whether those running and working in them apply those principles or stand for them themselves, they often dont, choosing to infringe upon them and abuse them. I do believe monarchy is the best form of government... only with a good King of course. Yet I wouldn't swap the NHS for private healthcare, talk about out the frying pan into the fire. In the US the average person spends around 10% of their income on healthcare and yet if we had private healthcare in the UK, our taxes wouldn't be decreasing by 40% afterwards. No, until someone comes up with something better, the NHS is the best we've got and it beats privatised hands down. Despite being dancing Covidiots who all got the Clap. Edited March 30 by Nemo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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