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8 minutes ago, magu said:

Quite a price to pay for immortality ...but i suppose in the grand scheme of things 1 life isnt much...unless it happens to be your own

Ahh i still remember people saying

"Hes passed on"

Now they say

"Hes dead"

 

The next life is still awaiting, preparation is important but i wouldnt use christianities prep list 

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1 hour ago, Macnamara said:

Are the government seeking to recruit psychopaths from all walks of life to carry out their MASS vaccination agenda?

Covid vaccine: Volunteers with no medical experience will be trained to give out jab 

St John Ambulance will deliver training so volunteers can inject patients, according to leaked plans

By Telegraph Reporters 17 November 2020 • 1:48am

Thousands of volunteers with no medical background at all could be trained up to administer the coronavirus vaccine in a bid to deliver the Government's mass immunisation plans. St John Ambulance will be one of the organisations delivering training to those who sign up, a representative for the charity confirmed on Monday evening. In plans leaked to the Daily Mail, St John Ambulance said future vaccine volunteers would "be trained to deliver the actual injection to patients". They would also have to "potentially react to any immediate adverse reactions".

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/17/covid-vaccine-volunteers-no-medical-experience-will-trained/

 

Honey badgers....Fuck...they got honey badgers

 

Badgers - After School Activities - St John Ambulance | School Meme on ME.ME

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1 hour ago, rideforever said:

Say there is a RNA sequence,

Harold hillman spent his life trying to explain to people the fraud of modern biology based upon the electron microscope

 

Shapes, size, contents, order etc etc the cell we are taught is a lie

 

Check out harold on david crowes the infectious myth podcasts and here

https://www.big-lies.org/harold-hillman-biology/index.html

 

  

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10 hours ago, Velma said:

 

From their own ingredients they admit, in a word, that their vaccine will create a CHIMERA!

 

The billion dollar question is, what are the other species? Part lion, part goat, part serpent?

 

 

The Ch in ChAdOx1 is an abbreviation for chimpanzee, I am not kidding.

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1 hour ago, magu said:

Honey badgers....Fuck...they got honey badgers

 

St Johns ambulances are an outgrowth of the Knights of St John of Jerusalem which merged with the knights templar in britain when the templars were shut down

 

So they are descended from the crusader hospitalliars and are an outgrowth of the secret society network

 

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Politicisation of science: ''When good science is suppressed, people die''

 

So what are we 'conspiracy theorists' claiming here? We are claiming that klaus schwab, the head of the world economic forum has written a book called 'the great reset' and that the globalist elites are now seeking to bring about that global reset to achieve what is also being called the 'fourth industrial revolution'.

 

We are arguing that they have planned a global pandemic in an event called 'Event 201' which they then took live to create this current covid plandemic and that the reason they have done this is to use the resulting state of emergency to crack down in freedom of speech whilst simultaneously forcing through their great reset

 

We are arguing that the science around vaccines is being politicised by those powerful interests who are at the same time using the state apparatus (working hand in glove with corrupt politicians who have been fluffed up by bill gates money) as well as the corporate media (also swimming in bill gates money) to create a climate of fear in which people are no longer able to discuss the potential dangers of vaccines

 

From the BMJ: https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4425

 

Editorials

  1. Kamran Abbasi, executive editor

Covid-19: politicisation, “corruption,” and suppression of science

BMJ 2020; 371 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m4425 (Published 13 November 2020) Cite this as: BMJ 2020;371:m4425

 

When good science is suppressed by the medical-political complex, people die

Politicians and governments are suppressing science. They do so in the public interest, they say, to accelerate availability of diagnostics and treatments. They do so to support innovation, to bring products to market at unprecedented speed. Both of these reasons are partly plausible; the greatest deceptions are founded in a grain of truth. But the underlying behaviour is troubling.

Science is being suppressed for political and financial gain. Covid-19 has unleashed state corruption on a grand scale, and it is harmful to public health.1 Politicians and industry are responsible for this opportunistic embezzlement. So too are scientists and health experts. The pandemic has revealed how the medical-political complex can be manipulated in an emergency—a time when it is even more important to safeguard science.

The UK’s pandemic response provides at least four examples of suppression of science or scientists. First, the membership, research, and deliberations of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) were initially secret until a press leak forced transparency.2 The leak revealed inappropriate involvement of government advisers in SAGE, while exposing under-representation from public health, clinical care, women, and ethnic minorities. Indeed, the government was also recently ordered to release a 2016 report on deficiencies in pandemic preparedness, Operation Cygnus, following a verdict from the Information Commissioner’s Office.34

Next, a Public Health England report on covid-19 and inequalities. The report’s publication was delayed by England’s Department of Health; a section on ethnic minorities was initially withheld and then, following a public outcry, was published as part of a follow-up report.56 Authors from Public Health England were instructed not to talk to the media. Third, on 15 October, the editor of the Lancet complained that an author of a research paper, a UK government scientist, was blocked by the government from speaking to media because of a “difficult political landscape.”7

Now, a new example concerns the controversy over point-of-care antibody testing for covid-19.8 The prime minister’s Operation Moonshot depends on immediate and wide availability of accurate rapid diagnostic tests.9 It also depends on the questionable logic of mass screening—currently being trialled in Liverpool with a suboptimal PCR test.1011

The incident relates to research published this week by The BMJ, which finds that the government procured an antibody test that in real world tests falls well short of performance claims made by its manufacturers.1213 Researchers from Public Health England and collaborating institutions sensibly pushed to publish their study findings before the government committed to buying a million of these tests but were blocked by the health department and the prime minister’s office.14 Why was it important to procure this product without due scrutiny? Prior publication of research on a preprint server or a government website is compatible with The BMJ’s publication policy. As if to prove a point, Public Health England then unsuccessfully attempted to block The BMJ’s press release about the research paper.

Politicians often claim to follow the science, but that is a misleading oversimplification. Science is rarely absolute. It rarely applies to every setting or every population. It doesn’t make sense to slavishly follow science or evidence. A better approach is for politicians, the publicly appointed decision makers, to be informed and guided by science when they decide policy for their public. But even that approach retains public and professional trust only if science is available for scrutiny and free of political interference, and if the system is transparent and not compromised by conflicts of interest.

Suppression of science and scientists is not new or a peculiarly British phenomenon. In the US, President Trump’s government manipulated the Food and Drug Administration to hastily approve unproved drugs such as hydroxychloroquine and remdesivir.15 Globally, people, policies, and procurement are being corrupted by political and commercial agendas.16

The UK’s pandemic response relies too heavily on scientists and other government appointees with worrying competing interests, including shareholdings in companies that manufacture covid-19 diagnostic tests, treatments, and vaccines.17 Government appointees are able to ignore or cherry pick science—another form of misuse—and indulge in anti-competitive practices that favour their own products and those of friends and associates.18

How might science be safeguarded in these exceptional times? The first step is full disclosure of competing interests from government, politicians, scientific advisers, and appointees, such as the heads of test and trace, diagnostic test procurement, and vaccine delivery. The next step is full transparency about decision making systems, processes, and knowing who is accountable for what.

Once transparency and accountability are established as norms, individuals employed by government should ideally only work in areas unrelated to their competing interests. Expertise is possible without competing interests. If such a strict rule becomes impractical, minimum good practice is that people with competing interests must not be involved in decisions on products and policies in which they have a financial interest.

Governments and industry must also stop announcing critical science policy by press release. Such ill judged moves leave science, the media, and stock markets vulnerable to manipulation. Clear, open, and advance publication of the scientific basis for policy, procurements, and wonder drugs is a fundamental requirement.19

The stakes are high for politicians, scientific advisers, and government appointees. Their careers and bank balances may hinge on the decisions that they make. But they have a higher responsibility and duty to the public. Science is a public good. It doesn’t need to be followed blindly, but it does need to be fairly considered. Importantly, suppressing science, whether by delaying publication, cherry picking favourable research, or gagging scientists, is a danger to public health, causing deaths by exposing people to unsafe or ineffective interventions and preventing them from benefiting from better ones. When entangled with commercial decisions it is also maladministration of taxpayers’ money.

Politicisation of science was enthusiastically deployed by some of history’s worst autocrats and dictators, and it is now regrettably commonplace in democracies.20 The medical-political complex tends towards suppression of science to aggrandise and enrich those in power. And, as the powerful become more successful, richer, and further intoxicated with power, the inconvenient truths of science are suppressed. When good science is suppressed, people die.

 

References

  1. Geoghegan P. Cronyism and clientelism. London Review of Books 2020 Nov 5. https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v42/n21/peter-geoghegan/cronyism-and-clientelism
     
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    . The UK’s public health response to covid-19. BMJ2020;369:m1932. doi:10.1136/bmj.m1932 pmid:32414712
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    . Pandemic preparedness: Government must release 2016 report, says information commissioner. BMJ2020;371:m3953. doi:10.1136/bmj.m3953 pmid:33046458
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    . Covid-19 and ethnic minorities: an urgent agenda for overdue action. BMJ2020;369:m2503. doi:10.1136/bmj.m2503 pmid:32576558
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  4. Boseley S. Antibody tests bought by UK government “less accurate than maker claims.” Guardian 2020 Nov 12. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/12/covid-antibody-test-bought-uk-government-less-accurate-than-makers-claim
     
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    . Covid-19: rapid test missed over 50% of positive cases in Manchester pilot. BMJ2020;371:m4323. doi:10.1136/bmj.m4323 pmid:33158908
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  7. Ennals E. Government test tsar has £770,000 shares in drugs firm that sold us £13million of “pointless” antibody screening kits—after it emerged that Sir Patrick Vallance has a financial interest in company racing to find vaccine. Daily Mail 2020 Sep 26. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8776339/Test-tsar-770-000-shares-firm-sold-13million-pointless-antibody-screening-kits.html
     
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As much as i admire their work (in fact i've had training from them via a company i workd for with no complaints) i cant help but think that the thousands of wannabe paramedics and blue light orgasm fiends wont have a singular clue about the origins,much less care...However....The upper echelons of the St John brigade do and i dont know if you are aware but its still an order of chivalry in fact i have a miniature medal of the one illustrated on this page

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Saint_John_(chartered_1888)

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4 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

Covid-19: politicisation, “corruption,” and suppression of science

 

  1. Horton R. Tweet, 15 Oct 2020.

 

the ''difficult political landscape''....i would call that a CLIMATE OF FEAR and we, the british people, whether in or out of uniforms eg police, medical, military etc need to start breaking that climate of fear by speaking out and exposing what information we have that is in the public interest

 

We need a trickle of truth telling to become an unstoppable torrent so that we can wash the wretched snakes in whitehall out of the corridors of power and into jail where they belong

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I posted that link on a thread in an ARRSE forum where a vaccine cultist was hell bent on spouting a load of unmitigated bollocks.....He read it and then came back with some obfuscation but you could just tell from the straws he was clinghing to in his arguments it had rattled his cage....which i can only take as a positive sign that perhaps more maskateers and vaxxinators may get rattled by the document...i live in hope

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1 minute ago, Macnamara said:

 

the ''difficult political landscape''....i would call that a CLIMATE OF FEAR and we, the british people, whether in or out of uniforms eg police, medical, military etc need to start breaking that climate of fear by speaking out and exposing what information we have that is in the public interest

 

We need a trickle of truth telling to become an unstoppable torrent so that we can wash the wretched snakes in whitehall out of the corridors of power and into jail where they belong

I must admit i totally agree with you as ive seen the effect with the bmj i referenced above but also the basis for compulsory medical intervention ref vaxxines which i also posted from the journal of medical ethics....if its from a reputable site...isn't too long or obscure and its within the understanding of a lot of people then i say lets deluge them...ask any detractors to refute any claims and sit back and enjoy the show...i also remember the magazine article i posted some months ago about people with learning difficulties being given DNR's which i found abhorrent at the time but i feel its time to add that to my growing arsenal of links to documents they will have trouble refuting

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The 'vaxxers' always spout the same illogical crap.

 

"Your unvaccinated child is putting my vaccinated child at risk!!"

 

Eh? How exactly does that work? At risk from what? Logically this argument makes no sense.

 

 

And as for the 'Covid vaccine', well if 'Covid' has something like a 99.8% survival rate (based on various statistics being floated around the internet), what is the point in spending millions of pounds developing a 'vaccine' and then insisting that everybody should 'accept' it?

 

If Covid-19 really was a 'lethal and deadly' disease wiping out huge swathes of the population, I might be convinced a vaccine was worth having.

 

But then again I am a 'critical thinker', and I base my opinions not just on what I read about, but what I encounter and observe in my own daily life.

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1 minute ago, Grumpy Owl said:

The 'vaxxers' always spout the same illogical crap.

 

"Your unvaccinated child is putting my vaccinated child at risk!!"

 

Eh? How exactly does that work? At risk from what? Logically this argument makes no sense.

 

And as for the 'Covid vaccine', well if 'Covid' has something like a 99.8% survival rate (based on various statistics being floated around the internet), what is the point in spending millions of pounds developing a 'vaccine' and then insisting that everybody should 'accept' it?

 

If Covid-19 really was a 'lethal and deadly' disease wiping out huge swathes of the population, I might be convinced a vaccine was worth having.

 

But then again I am a 'critical thinker', and I base my opinions not just on what I read about, but what I encounter and observe in my own daily life.

 

The only way this can be logically understood is to realise that the vaccine is not about public health at all but is in fact part of a more sinister agenda

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3 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

The only way this can be logically understood is to realise that the vaccine is not about public health at all but is in fact part of a more sinister agenda

The biggest problem is getting that across to those that neither want to know or are not equipped mentally to understand the ramifications of that...i have genuinely stopped giving a flying fcku about people like that now....im just waiting patiently for the dawning realisation that the jab is having horrendous side effects...i wont rub there noses in it but i doubt i'll have the time nor the inclination to offer any kind of support

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6 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

The only way this can be logically understood is to realise that the vaccine is not about public health at all but is in fact part of a more sinister agenda

 

Well yeah, you and I both know that, but the problem is trying to get other people to think logically again.

 

Same goes for the masks and face coverings - we never had these during the last 'lockdown', but cases and deaths continued to rise. People need to start wondering why 'cases' and 'deaths' are rising again, despite a large number of people wearing face coverings, observing social distancing and constantly sanitising themselves and disinfecting everything else. Yeah, some will put it down to 'people not following the rules' or the 'selfish idiots not wearing masks', but pennies are going to start dropping soon enough.

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3 hours ago, zArk said:

Top aint he

"I am not a pathologist so i cant comment"

"Oh yes 40,000 died of covid19 in march april"

 

His perspective on pcr and herd immunity can be useful to get the herd thinking but hes still part of the system

I.e a viral germ theory believer and evangelist

 

Yeah but I mean he probably just feels forced to given his position and the fact there's people looking for any position to discredit him.

 

Not having a go at you but I think the way people in the conspiracy community can tend to jump on people who are speaking out for not going all the way and labelling them as "controlled opposition" is a bit damaging.

 

Im grateful for anybody who is on our side, of course he has to dress things up and can't start talking about a Zionist agenda to depopulate the planet via a digital control grid. Its Talk Radio, people would switch off and label him as a nut, it's pointless. At least he has the balls to come out and call bs and give sound informed justification for why it is

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6 minutes ago, magu said:

im just waiting patiently for the dawning realisation that the jab is having horrendous side effects...i wont rub there noses in it but i doubt i'll have the time nor the inclination to offer any kind of support

 

we can't simply sit back and watch our fellow countrymen and women have a bioweapon injected into them without saying something!

 

We are talking about the future of our country and its people here

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5 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

People need to start wondering why 'cases' and 'deaths' are rising again, despite a large number of people wearing face coverings, observing social distancing and constantly sanitising themselves and disinfecting everything else.

 

PCR tests create lots of false positives so the more testing they do the more false positives they will create and then they report those as 'cases' even though they are not infected people

 

hence why it is a 'scamdemic'

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I honestly dont think so or if they do start dropping they wont be doing it fast enough...I've just got back from my local lidl...i was the only one maskless ...if anything the compliance has hardened ....but thats only one store in one small town so my experience is limited although i do gain some hope from the daily mail comments section (its actually one of the last bastions of commenting where i can get away with some of the shit i used to get away with in the online chat pits of old ...freeserve art and culture anyone ) the level of non compliance with any vaccine story seems to be growing...how many still wear masks when out is another matter but they like to type they wont be having it and when you point out that they will be restricted in every aspect of life if they dont have it they go quiet...we need the killer link to something that proves once and for all masks are useless...ive spent a long time looking  but nothing suitable has appeared yet

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9 minutes ago, magu said:

The biggest problem is getting that across to those that neither want to know or are not equipped mentally to understand the ramifications of that...i have genuinely stopped giving a flying fcku about people like that now....im just waiting patiently for the dawning realisation that the jab is having horrendous side effects...i wont rub there noses in it but i doubt i'll have the time nor the inclination to offer any kind of support

 

I think it's quite possible this jab will do fuck all much like the one they rolled out in Russia only for the "cases" to keep "soaring". And of course all us conspiracy nutters will have egg on our faces when everyone seems to be fine.

 

The biggest danger is being forced onto a health passport control grid. We don't know what the vaccine will do if anything, but if that happens we will most certainly lose all our privacy and rights as a citizen, the few we have left. We'll also be forced to take any kind of other experimental vaccines down the line they decide to push on us.

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