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6 minutes ago, Velma said:

To be opposed to vaccination and especially Pfizer's “wonder vaccine” for Covid, makes you a danger to society and an enemy of the state. The media are bringing out the big guns in this war against free speech, choice, debate or opinions. Platforms which do not herald the new vaccine as a miracle, but highlight the manifold risks to life and limb shall be removed and silenced, by law. 

 

Emergency laws to "stamp out dangerous" anti-vaccine content online should be introduced, Labour has said.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54947661


Shadow health secretary Jonathan Ashworth said such content was "exploiting people's fears, their mistrust of institutions and governments and spreading poison and harm".

 

SAGE are "exploiting people's fears, their misplaced trust in institutions and governments, to spread poison and harm by experimental vaccines".

 

Ashworth said people would have legitimate questions about what the vaccine means for them.

 

"There's nothing wrong with asking those questions and strong public health messaging (propaganda) from the government, reinforced by us, will allay those fears," he said.

 

A government spokesperson said: "Letting vaccine disinformation spread unchecked could cost British lives. Prime Minister Boris Johnson called people who oppose vaccinations "nuts".

 

 

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1 hour ago, alexa said:

'A survey of 2,000 Britons found over half believe that a vaccine produced in record time can be safe. It follows concern that conspiracy theories could hamper any mass rollout of a Covid-19 vaccine.'

 

Right, so 80% of Joe Public, supposedly, think anyone 'off message' should be prosecuted. Surely, a significant proportion of the remaining 20% must still trust the vaccine, while not thinking anyone 'off message' should be prosecuted. I mean, aren't we looking at 90% plus trust in the vaccine, from those numbers? What's the problem then? Unless, the survey is even worse bullshit than a masonic fairy tale... 😀

 

P.S. This does all seem to suggest that they are shying away from attempting forced vaccinations, at least for the moment.  

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Twelve arrested at Wolverhampton lockdown protest

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Twelve people were arrested at an anti-lockdown protest in Wolverhampton.

West Midlands Police said it was made aware of 150 people gathering in the city on Saturday.

The force said it attempted to explain that protestors were in breach of ongoing restrictions, but "many did not listen" and refused to disperse.

It said its officers then "had to enforce the rules" and 12 people were taken into custody.

The force said it had information via social media that the protest was set to go ahead, and had earlier appealed for the organisers to make contact with officers.

But it said it received no contact before the gathering went ahead.

Some protestors went on social media to share images of the event, describing it as "peaceful".

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-54944926

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3 hours ago, DarianF said:

A masterclass in COVID fear-mongering government propaganda:

 

 

Australia and New Zealand seem to be the testing ground for how much they can get away with :classic_mellow:

What they are going to say over there is

No jab

No job

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Yet another example of the Police (protectors of the PEOPLE) coming down hard on peaceful protests.
Although - it's not clear to me if this is antifa being dickheads - and if it was antifa doing the counter-protest, the police just saved their asses from getting a serious kicking by the much larger crowds of genuine anti-covid protesters.
German police apparently spray the  counter-protesters to anti-covid protesters   - then still break up the actual anti-covid protesters due to non-mask wearing:

 

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4 hours ago, DarianF said:

A masterclass in COVID fear-mongering government propaganda:

 

 

Inversion ...as in Orwell...he had the Ministry of Truth that dealt in lies, we have 'Health' that causes more disease and suffering.

 

Create a category called Covid, a disease that mostly affects politicians, celebs and sports stars.

 

Pretend  you've diverted all resources to this claimed new illness, as a consequence not treating heart disease, cancer, kidney disease and so on.

 

Watch as your 'pension burden' decreases, as requested by the policy makers at Davos or Bilderberg.

 

Brilliant and unscrupulous, the elites haven't lost their touch..9/11, ISIS and now this.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Jack said:

 

 

 

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the team behind the vaccine say their results suggest protection is achieved 28 days after the initiation of the vaccination.

 

ermm logic alert. so 94 people who had covid19 then had a 3rd jab of poison after 7 days of the 2nd which was 2 weeks after the 1st ....... ARE NOW CURED

 

piggie backing upon the bodies natural recovery?

i fecking think so ...

 

right off the bat it is clearly a bullshit jab (like all the others) and until all the side effects are listed and declared over a long period of time the 'vaccine' is snake oil. 

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30 minutes ago, Itsa said:

Australia and New Zealand seem to be the testing ground for how much they can get away with :classic_mellow:

What they are going to say over there is

No jab

No job

 

Yeah but they have a history of this so it will be easier for them to implement. Some Brazilians I know have told me certain mandatory vax programmes exist there also.

 

It isn't unprecedented unfortunately, what is unprecedented is a mandatory vaccine that's been rushed through in under a year and is also a type that has never been used on human subjects before.

 

We've been told now by Starmer that we need to "stamp out anti-vax disinformation", which in effect means harder media propaganda and censorship. There's a lot of contempt on here for the "sheep" but for me the biggest problem is that a lot of them make what seems like the reasonable assumption that what they're seeing on the biggest news channels must be what's really going on and there must really be a concensus of everyone but a few fringe loonies.

 

So what we get is endless pseudoscience and ad hominems of dissenters from the talking heads on Beeb, Sky etc and brilliant interviews with well thought out logical arguments like the one Sucharit Bhakdi just did on Triggernometry are seen by about 10 people. It's maddening. 

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A common argument people have always had against globalist "conspiracy theories" and the New World Order is "if they wanted to do it why not just declare the NWO tomorrow?"

 

I think the answer to that is that there used to be checks and balances on media and politics that would prevent this kind of wide-scale corruption and censorship happening. It seems obvious now that these have been being eroded for the last number of years and are now at a stage where they are close to gone, allowing the power-grab.

 

Theres been the obvious factor of the rise of Google and social media, but it seems to me there's probably been even more going on behind the scenes that isn't obvious to anyone who isn't in the industry.

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23 minutes ago, Illmatic said:

There's a lot of contempt on here for the "sheep" but for me the biggest problem is that a lot of them make what seems like the reasonable assumption that what they're seeing on the biggest news channels must be what's really going on and there must really be a concensus of everyone but a few fringe loonies.

 

I don't like contempt of the "Sheeple" unless they're being downright abusive. I think it's counter productive. We need them to wake up, and many are.

 

One of my friends back in April, I would describe as a sheep. I sent her (from memory) the first of Vernon Coleman's videos and she replied "that's too controversial for me!"

 

NOW in November 2020 she knows it's a hoax because another close friend has been giving her a lot

of FACTS.  Also her brother is a Catholic Priest in the North of England (a hot spot of alleged deaths)

but he has seen no increase in funerals this year.

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11 minutes ago, Illmatic said:

A common argument people have always had against globalist "conspiracy theories" and the New World Order is "if they wanted to do it why not just declare the NWO tomorrow?"

 

I think the answer to that is that there used to be checks and balances on media and politics that would prevent this kind of wide-scale corruption and censorship happening. It seems obvious now that these have been being eroded for the last number of years and are now at a stage where they are close to gone, allowing the power-grab.

 

Theres been the obvious factor of the rise of Google and social media, but it seems to me there's probably been even more going on behind the scenes that isn't obvious to anyone who isn't in the industry.

 

 for this new social contract they need consent and full disclosure

 

they are following the rules

 

most things they do implement is after clearly noticing people. the documents are there to read. nothing is being hidden

the media is the PR spin machine

this is the true power of democracy

 

who can win the opinion race? one side relies upon the media spin , the other relies upon common sense and a modicum of intelligence... its trouble

 

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2 hours ago, zArk said:

 

 for this new social contract they need consent and full disclosure

 

they are following the rules

 

most things they do implement is after clearly noticing people. the documents are there to read. nothing is being hidden

the media is the PR spin machine

this is the true power of democracy

 

who can win the opinion race? one side relies upon the media spin , the other relies upon common sense and a modicum of intelligence... its trouble

 

 

Yeah you're right they get the intelligence agencies to do a bit of dirty work to help it along but any kind of societal shifts like this have to be fully disclosed.

 

I'm starring to get very disheartened. I speak with a lot of people who are far from bought into the agenda and realise to an extent what's going on here but still think sense will prevail and it'll all be fine in the end.

 

My old man for example was in politics for a few years. He got to know how the systems work and he acknowledges that there have always been globalists who push an agenda for world control, a few of whom he knew and had conversations with. But he maintains there's too many people against them and the plans will fail because they'll have too much opposition.

 

But they're already happening, its working. We've all been told we have to shelter in place indefinitely and if you have a small business you can pretty much go on furlough until you are forced into bankruptcy. Dissent is not allowed, anybody making sensible points are forced to spread information through Bitchute or podcasts on shadow-banned YouTube channels which are seen by about 5 people. They'll never get mainstream coverage and the concensus on the likes of the Beeb will only get deeper and more sinister.

 

It's real and its happening and I feel like only myself and a couple of friends can see it. I want to think once rushed vaccines and immunity passports start really coming in people will finally start taking these threats to freedom seriously. But they might just work it into their worldview and convince themselves it's all somehow reasonable.

 

I worry, I worry because family and friends think it's all fine because they can still have their takeaway coffees and go to the park and it will all just blow over after a while. Even the people who see through it and are upset can go and protest and stamp their feet and say they're sick of it but what difference is it making? The governments can just make tighter laws banning dissent or any sort of alternative voices and label them as "anti-vaxxers". I'm seeing a future society developing before our eyes that I just want no part of and don't want for my family or friends either, and I don't know what to do about it.

 

I know I've always suffered a bit from wanting to change the world. I know you can't and the most any one man can do is change his own reality and affect those around him in a positive way. It's just hard to live with and hard to think about. 

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On 11/13/2020 at 4:55 PM, jonesthepost said:

 

I have to disagree Ziggy; there are masses of people who are so conditioned/brainwashed that in their self righteous blind idiocy, they will be outraged that anyone dares to go against the government line.

 

Remember, they hold us in as much contempt as some of us, at times, hold for them.


I get a very strong sense of “pride” coming from many COVID enthusiasts 

I personally believe the dopamine pay off enthusiasts are receiving for their compliance and obedience is often overlooked

these types of people are unable to process information from sources outside their perceived authority bubble


when the average person is given an order or command and they successfully complete the command they are rewarded by a sense of achievement and belonging

they are rewarded for following instructions correctly by a sense of achievement (the warm fuzzy feeling of self righteous winning!

They instantly recognise authority figures and process the information given without question 

authority is the definition of correct in their mindsets authority CANNOT be wrong 

 

to free COVID enthusiasts from their controlled mindset would be similar in difficulty to getting a Christian to become atheist

or another persons dog to obey my commands but ignore the commands of its owner/master

or to convince a member of the armed services to disobey an order

 

i don’t think it’s impossible but an intensive program of retraining and reprogramming would be necessary to remove all the “hooks” that are installed in their minds to replace them with new hooks from a new authority 


perhaps these obedient creatures can be taught to abandon their sycophantic ways and think for themselves

for many I fear this isn’t possible and the best outcome would be for them to be renowned by a new authority 

 

I read a post today from an elderly lady requesting that fellow co-op users wear their masks over their noses correctly

Virus particles can escape via the nose! She gleefully informed 

Her post reeked of virtue signaling

Saving people like these virtue signalling self righteous types is a very hard task IMO 


they need a replacement authority to worship this current authority has been responsible for giving them the feelings of self worth

the pat on the head they require in acknowledgment of their compliance is essential to their functioning 

 

imo you can’t reprogram slaves with information because by definition slaves are oblivious to information

slaves must be reprogrammed by installing a new authority and by removing all the hooks from the previous authority 

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, oneantisworthtenofyou said:


I get a very strong sense of “pride” coming from many COVID enthusiasts 

I personally believe the dopamine pay off enthusiasts are receiving for their compliance and obedience is often overlooked

these types of people are unable to process information from sources outside their perceived authority bubble


when the average person is given an order or command and they successfully complete the command they are rewarded by a sense of achievement and belonging

they are rewarded for following instructions correctly by a sense of achievement (the warm fuzzy feeling of self righteous winning!

They instantly recognise authority figures and process the information given without question 

authority is the definition of correct in their mindsets authority CANNOT be wrong 

 

to free COVID enthusiasts from their controlled mindset would be similar in difficulty to getting a Christian to become atheist

or another persons dog to obey my commands but ignore the commands of its owner/master

or to convince a member of the armed services to disobey an order

 

i don’t think it’s impossible but an intensive program of retraining and reprogramming would be necessary to remove all the “hooks” that are installed in their minds to replace them with new hooks from a new authority 


perhaps these obedient creatures can be taught to abandon their sycophantic ways and think for themselves

for many I fear this isn’t possible and the best outcome would be for them to be renowned by a new authority 

 

I read a post today from an elderly lady requesting that fellow co-op users wear their masks over their noses correctly

Virus particles can escape via the nose! She gleefully informed 

Her post reeked of virtue signaling

Saving people like these virtue signalling self righteous types is a very hard task IMO 


they need a replacement authority to worship this current authority has been responsible for giving them the feelings of self worth

the pat on the head they require in acknowledgment of their compliance is essential to their functioning 

 

imo you can’t reprogram slaves with information because by definition slaves are oblivious to information

slaves must be reprogrammed by installing a new authority and by removing all the hooks from the previous authority 

 

 

 

 

Yeah anyone who's ever done a sales or marketing job I'm sure can confirm that scary numbers of people just want to be told how it is and told convincingly enough that they don't have to question if they're being played and its all a load of bullshit.

 

The world has always been like that I suspect. What's different now is the policy-makers haven't had so much open contempt for the public since the 40s. It's true that the globalists have always been there but there has always been pushback, always people causing them problems whether it was in the media or political sphere, so that the authority lovers you describe had more than one avenue of thought even if the possibilities were carefully controlled so as not to be too radical. It seems now though that any kind of checks and balances have been cast aside and we're all aboard and express train to glabalist communist la-la land.

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11 minutes ago, Illmatic said:

 

Yeah anyone who's ever done a sales or marketing job I'm sure can confirm that scary numbers of people just want to be told how it is and told convincingly enough that they don't have to question if they're being played and its all a load of bullshit.

 

The world has always been like that I suspect. What's different now is the policy-makers haven't had so much open contempt for the public since the 40s. It's true that the globalists have always been there but there has always been pushback, always people causing them problems whether it was in the media or political sphere, so that the authority lovers you describe had more than one avenue of thought even if the possibilities were carefully controlled so as not to be too radical. It seems now though that any kind of checks and balances have been cast aside and we're all aboard and express train to glabalist communist la-la land.

We're going to be alright guys. We're in what is an extremely transformative period for a lot of people. I think this is probably a necessary experience for them to go through in order to 'upgrade' their consciousness if you will. Of the many attributes we require to successfully navigate these times I think patience has an important and often undervalued place. It can take time but once the shift has occurred in an individual they don't tend to go backwards after that. Our numbers have been steadily growing for many years. There will absolutely be enough of us. 

 

A song for our times:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tbkOZTSvrHs

 

Fucking Glorious :)

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