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2 minutes ago, Pinkman said:

Would anyone be able to provide me some scientific evidence from non MSM sources to back up the claims that the virus is exaggerated, or anything along those lines. I'm currently in an online dispute elsewhere, and I really need some help. Thank you! 

Try this:

 

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39 minutes ago, Pinkman said:

Would anyone be able to provide me some scientific evidence from non MSM sources to back up the claims that the virus is exaggerated, or anything along those lines. I'm currently in an online dispute elsewhere, and I really need some help. Thank you! 

 

Golden rule - 'Don't waste your time on those who don't want to hear.'

 

  

1 hour ago, pete675 said:

Without even knowing, I'm guessing that these will be sponsored by Bill n' Melinda? They seem to sponsor most things these days - tell-lie-vision, newspapers, politicians, universities etc etc ad nauseum.

 

After concluding it was NWO bullshit, I didn't see much merit in tracking down those behind it. It had to be one or another shady mob. This is the advert I was referring to. Comments are turned off, but it has a 6.5 to 1 'Dislike' to 'Like' ratio, which clearly shows the vast majority of folks are aware of the agenda.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Pinkman said:

Would anyone be able to provide me some scientific evidence from non MSM sources to back up the claims that the virus is exaggerated, or anything along those lines. I'm currently in an online dispute elsewhere, and I really need some help. Thank you! 

 

There is so very much of it that the problem is where to start!

Maybe start with this

 

Global Report 2019-nCoV pdf

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I know this wasn’t written recently (and I’m showing my age - it’s not rap!), but the lyrics do seem appropriate for these times. 


 

Two hundred years and more
And here we are today
With freedom still our guiding light
Defending it with all our might
We’re never gonna change
Or ever look away
We stand for freedom everyday
They’ll never take us down

Tho some may try
We’re gonna stand our ground
It’s do or die
The freedom that we’ve found
Can’t be denied
And they can never take us down oh no
Our freedom is why

Got freedom to believe
And live the way we choose
Ain’t that’s what freedoms all about
It’s something we can’t never lose
And if we go astray
Let freedom be the light
That takes us through the darkest night

They’ll never take us down
Tho some may try
We’re gonna stand our ground
It’s do or die
The freedom that we’ve found
Can’t be denied
Our faith is like a light
That keeps us warm
it burns inside.

We’ve come this way before
A hundred times or more
But someone’s watching over us
And we believe in God we trust
But if we hold on strong
We’ll make it through the night
And walk in freedom’s shining light

They’ll never take us down
Tho some may try
We’re gonna stand our ground
It’s do or die
The freedom that we’ve found
Can’t be denied
We know without a doubt
We’ll get through this,
We’ve been through worse

They’ll never take us down
Not now or any day
Our freedom don’t come free
But it’s worth the price we paid
The dream inside us all
It can not be denied
Together let us raise our freedom’s flag
And let it fly

Never take us down
(No, oh no)
Oh no they won’t
(Never take us down)
Praise our freedom now
(Let praise it now)
We know it’s true

They’ll never take us down
Tho some may try
We’ve only got to show
The reason why
Our road together’s made
Of tears and pride
We know they can never take us down
And freedom’s why
Together let’s raise our freedoms flag
Where eagles fly

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53 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

 

 

 

 

The viking spirit isn't totally dead then.

 

“It is better to stand and fight. If you run, you'll only die tired.” - Viking saying

 

Thanks for this Eng.

 

The majority of people don't know people are protesting about Covid measures all over the world,

because the MSM and some  "alternative" also media don't report it.

 

THEY ARE SUPPRESSING THESE PROTESTS AND I URGE EVERYONE TO REPORT

THEM ALL, HOWEVER SMALL

 

 It's the citizens who are reporting the protests mainly on Twitter.

 

Some of these protests maybe small in number at the moment but they are happening in towns

and cities all over Europe.  Naples last night, Milan the night before. Local protests in Spain and

many other countries.

 

BUT LEIPZIG, last weekend was huge.  I don't think MSM touched it.

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Golden Retriever said:

 

Thanks for this Eng.

 

The majority of people don't know people are protesting about Covid measures all over the world,

because the MSM and some  "alternative" also media don't report it.

 

THEY ARE SUPPRESSING THESE PROTESTS AND I URGE EVERYONE TO REPORT

THEM ALL, HOWEVER SMALL

 

 It's the citizens who are reporting the protests mainly on Twitter.

 

Some of these protests maybe small in number at the moment but they are happening in towns

and cities all over Europe.  Naples last night, Milan the night before. Local protests in Spain and

many other countries.

 

BUT LEIPZIG, last weekend was huge.  I don't think MSM touched it.

 

 

 

 

Yeah, and often when they do touch it, they just report on clashes but they ignore the peaceful folks.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Velma said:

His "secret" is that he works for David Geffen.

 

Yep Peter Gabriel did for a time work for David Geffen.

 

Not a very nice man, Geffen in the music industry, and dare I say Jewish.

 

Michael Jackson said Geffen ruined his career. Maybe he did after Jackson's infamous (((they)))

don't care about us.

 

"However despite all the effort some traces of it still remain and these traces explain to us that Michael Jackson hated David Geffen because a closely-knit group of people at Hollywood headed by Geffen had sunk his career, and Michael was perfectly aware of it."

 

It's off topic, and I won't make any further comments about this, on this thread, but it is important to

understand the disproportionate control of elite Jewish people in the music industry, media and Hollywood.

 

Jackson's lyric's included don't Jew me, don't sue me, don't kick me, don't Kike me. Controversial stuff.

 

Lyrics deleted from videos.

 

 

On a different thread about slavery, which I started, the Jewish Rothschild and Montefiores loaned

the British Government millions of pound at compound interest circa 1833 to repay the Slave owners after abolition. A disproportionate number of these slave owners were Jewish.

 

THE LOAN was only repaid in 2015!!!!!!!

 

That means most people on this forum who are British paid some of their income tax to Slave owners as did their parents, grandparents and great grandparents etc.

 

IT'S CRIMINAL

 

 

 

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'Does anyone think it's a bit suspicious that with the growing anti lockdown protests a new super duper covid has emerged in Denmark to scare people'

 

No, not in the slightest!

 

This 'virus' - assuming it actually physically exists - is the most remarkable entity in the history of the world.

 

A virus is just a tiny inert piece of nucleic acid, but this one  knows when it's before 10pm and when it's after 10pm, can tell if you are sitting or standing, can tell the difference between a group of football fans and a group of grouse shooters and so on.

 

The whole concept is so fantastical it makes the other conspiracy theory about a man in cave in Afghanistan using two planes to demolish three towers appear comparatively sensible.

 

You would need to be stupider than a Harvard dropout computer salesman to believe it!

 

 

 

 

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Just now, oddsnsods said:

Whats this the sixth or seventh time?

Country is so fucked.

 

 

 

I have been watching live on Tyrant Finder UK's stream. Some guy was yelling at the police saying that you should be arresting the zionist bankers instead, and those that are responsible for 9/11. I'm paraphrasing, but I wasn't expecting it at all. Seems like people are waking up, but it's a race to reaching critical mass before we're slaves.

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When the names of SAGE members were first revealed, on 4th May 2020, we didn't get all 52 names. We only got 50 names, as 2 members wished to remain anonymous. Did we ever find out who the secretive duo were? If not, then was there any sound speculation about who they were? I really wanted to know that. 

 

SAGE membership now seems to have swelled to about 80 members, but none seem to be anonymous at this point. However, looking at the related sub-groups, some of which are directly linked to Covid and others probably are indirectly linked to Covid in some way, does reveal a fair few participants wanting to remain anonymous. I wonder whether the secretive duo left or simply dropped into a sub-group? A nice cover, if they just dropped into a sub-group and remained anonymous, as little probably changed in terms of their influence.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/scientific-advisory-group-for-emergencies-sage-coronavirus-covid-19-response-membership/list-of-participants-of-sage-and-related-sub-groups

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5 minutes ago, numnuts said:

When the names of SAGE members were first revealed, on 4th May 2020, we didn't get all 52 names. We only got 50 names, as 2 members wished to remain anonymous. Did we ever find out who the secretive duo were? If not, then was there any sound speculation about who they were? I really wanted to know that. 

 

SAGE membership now seems to have swelled to about 80 members, but none seem to be anonymous at this point. However, looking at the related sub-groups, some of which are directly linked to Covid and others probably are indirectly linked to Covid in some way, does reveal a fair few participants wanting to remain anonymous. I wonder whether the secretive duo left or simply dropped into a sub-group? A nice cover, if they just dropped into a sub-group, as little probably changed in terms of their influence.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/scientific-advisory-group-for-emergencies-sage-coronavirus-covid-19-response-membership/list-of-participants-of-sage-and-related-sub-groups

 

From that link:

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Since SAGE first met in response to COVID-19 on 22 January 2020, it has been grateful for insights from a huge range of sources. At high pace, experts from academic, public sector, industrial and commercial communities have provided the high quality research and information used to formulate advice given to government.

Listed here are the names of participants who provided input as experts at one or more meetings, including public servants who acted in an expert capacity.

 

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1 minute ago, Grumpy Owl said:

From that link:

 

Real translation being 'a load of greedy, immoral, malleable gits banded together to feather their own nests, all in the name of public service and patriotism'. 

 

Patriotism - 'Last bastion of the scoundrel. First bastion of SAGE.'

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1 hour ago, pete675 said:

The whole concept is so fantastical it makes the other conspiracy theory about a man in cave in Afghanistan using two planes to demolish three towers appear comparatively sensible.

I think its somewhat on the same level of absurdity as this fakedemic:

 

 

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1 hour ago, Sit down, Waldo said:

This is about par for the course from our local media...

 

A city under Covid siege

 

Yeah, the Reach-owned local rags like my own Birmingham Mail really know how to over-egg things.

 

I've never been to Hull, but I imagine daily life is pretty much as normal, and certainly not the same reality as presented by Hull Daily Mail.

 

I like how they managed to speak with one of the 'top medical professionals' in the hospital, a "linen operative" 😆

 

 

Meanwhile, in 'lighter news', here's a story warning about "fake coronavirus vaccines":

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/coronavirus-vaccine-fraud-warning-issued-19281080

 

Coronavirus vaccine fraud warning issued to everybody in the UK

The National Crime Agency (NCA) in the UK are urging Brits to exercise caution amid fears fake coronavirus vaccines could become a threat

 

Aren't they all 'fake'? 😅

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5 hours ago, allymisfit said:

That's an interesting question! As in offspring? 

This is far beyond what I learned in genetics though lol. 

 

I would imagine it could potentially? But if it's done synthetically, what risks will it bring? (by this I mean I can only imagine it will be full of risks) 

This I shall ponder!

Don’t know if vaccine can pass on genetically. Where I live it’s bad enough the spread of natural genetics.  

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When the  Health Professionals start to question things the whole scam will fall apart. 

 

Its starting now, a good article in the British Medical Journal written by the Editor. 

 

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4425

 

Kamran Abbasi, executive editor

  • When good science is suppressed by the medical-political complex, people die

    Politicians and governments are suppressing science. They do so in the public interest, they say, to accelerate availability of diagnostics and treatments. They do so to support innovation, to bring products to market at unprecedented speed. Both of these reasons are partly plausible; the greatest deceptions are founded in a grain of truth. But the underlying behaviour is troubling.

     

    Science is being suppressed for political and financial gain. Covid-19 has unleashed state corruption on a grand scale, and it is harmful to public health.1 Politicians and industry are responsible for this opportunistic embezzlement. So too are scientists and health experts. The pandemic has revealed how the medical-political complex can be manipulated in an emergency—a time when it is even more important to safeguard science.

     

    The UK’s pandemic response provides at least four examples of suppression of science or scientists. First, the membership, research, and deliberations of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) were initially secret until a press leak forced transparency.2 The leak revealed inappropriate involvement of government advisers in SAGE, while exposing under-representation from public health, clinical care, women, and ethnic minorities. Indeed, the government was also recently ordered to release a 2016 report on deficiencies in pandemic preparedness, Operation Cygnus, following a verdict from the Information Commissioner’s Office.34

     

    Next, a Public Health England report on covid-19 and inequalities. The report’s publication was delayed by England’s Department of Health; a section on ethnic minorities was initially withheld and then, following a public outcry, was published as part of a follow-up report.56 Authors from Public Health England were instructed not to talk to the media. Third, on 15 October, the editor of the Lancet complained that an author of a research paper, a UK government scientist, was blocked by the government from speaking to media because of a “difficult political landscape.”7

     

    Now, a new example concerns the controversy over point-of-care antibody testing for covid-19.8 The prime minister’s Operation Moonshot depends on immediate and wide availability of accurate rapid diagnostic tests.9 It also depends on the questionable logic of mass screening—currently being trialled in Liverpool with a suboptimal PCR test.1011

    The incident relates to research published this week by The BMJ, which finds that the government procured an antibody test that in real world tests falls well short of performance claims made by its manufacturers.1213 

     

    Researchers from Public Health England and collaborating institutions sensibly pushed to publish their study findings before the government committed to buying a million of these tests but were blocked by the health department and the prime minister’s office.14 Why was it important to procure this product without due scrutiny? Prior publication of research on a preprint server or a government website is compatible with The BMJ’s publication policy. As if to prove a point, Public Health England then unsuccessfully attempted to block The BMJ’s press release about the research paper.

     

    Politicians often claim to follow the science, but that is a misleading oversimplification. Science is rarely absolute. It rarely applies to every setting or every population. It doesn’t make sense to slavishly follow science or evidence. A better approach is for politicians, the publicly appointed decision makers, to be informed and guided by science when they decide policy for their public. But even that approach retains public and professional trust only if science is available for scrutiny and free of political interference, and if the system is transparent and not compromised by conflicts of interest.

     

    Suppression of science and scientists is not new or a peculiarly British phenomenon. In the US, President Trump’s government manipulated the Food and Drug Administration to hastily approve unproved drugs such as hydroxychloroquine and remdesivir.15 Globally, people, policies, and procurement are being corrupted by political and commercial agendas.16

     

    The UK’s pandemic response relies too heavily on scientists and other government appointees with worrying competing interests, including shareholdings in companies that manufacture covid-19 diagnostic tests, treatments, and vaccines.17 Government appointees are able to ignore or cherry pick science—another form of misuse—and indulge in anti-competitive practices that favour their own products and those of friends and associates.18

     

    How might science be safeguarded in these exceptional times? The first step is full disclosure of competing interests from government, politicians, scientific advisers, and appointees, such as the heads of test and trace, diagnostic test procurement, and vaccine delivery. The next step is full transparency about decision making systems, processes, and knowing who is accountable for what.

     

    Once transparency and accountability are established as norms, individuals employed by government should ideally only work in areas unrelated to their competing interests. Expertise is possible without competing interests. If such a strict rule becomes impractical, minimum good practice is that people with competing interests must not be involved in decisions on products and policies in which they have a financial interest.

    Governments and industry must also stop announcing critical science policy by press release. Such ill judged moves leave science, the media, and stock markets vulnerable to manipulation. Clear, open, and advance publication of the scientific basis for policy, procurements, and wonder drugs is a fundamental requirement.19

    The stakes are high for politicians, scientific advisers, and government appointees. Their careers and bank balances may hinge on the decisions that they make. But they have a higher responsibility and duty to the public. Science is a public good. It doesn’t need to be followed blindly, but it does need to be fairly considered. Importantly, suppressing science, whether by delaying publication, cherry picking favourable research, or gagging scientists, is a danger to public health, causing deaths by exposing people to unsafe or ineffective interventions and preventing them from benefiting from better ones. When entangled with commercial decisions it is also maladministration of taxpayers’ money.

    Politicisation of science was enthusiastically deployed by some of history’s worst autocrats and dictators, and it is now regrettably commonplace in democracies.20 The medical-political complex tends towards suppression of science to aggrandise and enrich those in power. And, as the powerful become more successful, richer, and further intoxicated with power, the inconvenient truths of science are suppressed. When good science is suppressed, people die.

    Footnotes

    • Competing interests: I have read and understood BMJ policy on declaration of interests and have no relevant interests to declare.

    • Provenance and peer review: Commissioned; not externally peer reviewed.

    This article is made freely available for use in accordance with BMJ's website terms and conditions for the duration of the covid-19 pandemic or until otherwise determined by BMJ. You may use, download and print the article for any lawful, non-commercial purpose (including text and data mining) provided that all copyright notices and trade marks are retained.

    https://bmj.com/coronavirus/usage

    I have read and understood BMJ policy on declaration of interests and have no relevant interests to declare.

 

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15 hours ago, pete675 said:

 

She looks like Greta Thingyberg's  more attractive and less weird sister.  Whatever happened to the earlier hoax, global warming? Does anyone miss it yet? And ISIS too.

 

Welcome to Planet Bullshita, where the elites keep on lying, and the proles keep lapping on it up.

 

She reminds me of Donald Pleasance daughter Angela

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