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Just now, Anti Facts Sir said:

Opinions?

 

No. Experiences. Real stuff.

 

Not something you found on the internet, written by people with an agenda.

 

So yeah, as I said. Not interested.


OK what experiences do you put forward that made you come to the conclusion that EMF and vaccination are linked in some manner? Its an opinion when someone says it and doesn't back it up and especially when it flies in the face of wave propagation and field theory, the mechanics of how it would work are based on nothing with any baring in reality. As I say, so far what I have read, heard and seen regarding EMF and vaccines is quite obviously pseudoscience. But please inform me on the contrary.

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1 minute ago, TheConsultant said:


Its a real shame when people say things and then dont actually back it up with anything. Says far more about that opinion than having the discussion.

 

Look, I get you. I get how you see things...I really do. I understand that you like to do things your way. Like lining things up etc. But sometimes people can just have an opinion, that they form for various reasons. It could be based on much research or based on what they experience (which is not necessarily provable in and of itself) Now I know I could post a ton of links that have helped form my opinions and when I have a bit of time I will find a few. However, as this thread was trundling along there was no actual need to be arbitrarily asking for someone to prove their thought process at that instant. This is a mega thread and if you want to discuss EMF and its relation to the covid poison...maybe you could start another topic or see if an existing one is already in place. I'm sorry you are upset that people aren't engaging on demand. Maybe they will in a specific thread. I will debate you in another thread as and when I have the time. This is not an affront to you. I appreciate your tenacity. 

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5 minutes ago, Bombadil said:

I personally believe there are 4 main possibilities for all the crap they push on us

 

1.  Deliberate intent to do harm. For numerous different reasons. Population decreasing, increased Pharma profits or just because they can etc.

2. Pure greed.

3. Power and control

4 All of the above

 

i would narrow it down to: CONTROL

 

Even doing harm to people boils down to control because they are looking to weaken people and make them more easy to control. Depopulation too also boils down to control as it could, from the elites perspective, make the slave class more weildy

 

I don't see greed as an aspect of the conspiracy in the higher levels. Greed is for people lower down that don't grasp the conspiracy: the useful idiots who think only in terms of money

 

The people behind the conspiracy are driven by something much more powerful than a lust for wealth. Wealth is merely the means to their end which is why they can happily destroy the old economic paradigm just as long as they have created a new system that provides them even more control over everyone ie a TECHNOCRACY

 

Currency isn't real (its not pegged to anything tangible). Its an abstraction....an illusion the elites use to hand power to some while denying it to others

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Just now, Bombadil said:

I agree that there is a debate about whether EMFs are involved with cv and it possible effects.

This is not the thread to discuss it. There are multiple EMF threads and more specific cv threads to post about this.

Could we please find an appropriate thread for this discussion.


I am not saying that at all. 

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Just now, TheConsultant said:


I am not saying that at all. 

I’m not saying you are. The comment was aimed at all members not just you. The thread is now beginning to clutter up with material better suited to other threads.

Which is where they need to be discussed, 

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5 minutes ago, Bombadil said:

I agree that there is a debate about whether EMFs are involved with cv and it possible effects.

This is not the thread to discuss it. There are multiple EMF threads and more specific cv threads to post about this.

Could we please find an appropriate thread for this discussion.

Here we go...

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7 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

i would narrow it down to: CONTROL

 

Even doing harm to people boils down to control because they are looking to weaken people and make them more easy to control. Depopulation too also boils down to control as it could, from the elites perspective, make the slave class more weildy

 

I don't see greed as an aspect of the conspiracy in the higher levels. Greed is for people lower down that don't grasp the conspiracy: the useful idiots who think only in terms of money

 

The people behind the conspiracy are driven by something much more powerful than a lust for wealth. Wealth is merely the means to their end which is why they can happily destroy the old economic paradigm just as long as they have created a new system that provides them even more control over everyone ie a TECHNOCRACY

 

Currency isn't real (its not pegged to anything tangible). Its an abstraction....an illusion the elites use to hand power to some while denying it to others

I agree in the context of the conspiracy. Think I generalised too much!

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1 minute ago, TheConsultant said:

yes i cannot disagree, but you dont need anything inside of you ab extra to EMF in order to cause some serious changes in peoples behaviour/mood etc. So its kind of redundant to need anything injected in to you to do what they are clearly doing to people, not denying any of that.

 

so if we are speaking about altering DNA then we can talk about epigenetics and i'll throw something out there which is my own opinion on this. I believe that occult ritual can be used to change people on an epigenetic level

 

But getting back to EMF's and microwaves and vaccines. Lets say the vaccines have something potentially harmful in them like aluminium which the elites want to get to pass over your blood brain barrier so that it can then affect gene expression and cause you all kinds of health problems eg auto immune disorders

 

One way to get more of that over the blood brain barrier is to weaken it and they can do that using MICROWAVES such as the frequencies used by 5G

 

lets consider this from the conspiracy angle. The conspiracy angle is that we are UNDER ATTACK. So lets say hypothetically speaking that we want to harm our enemies but we want to maintain PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY so that our enemies cannot figure out what we are doing to them. The british army now use a small calibre NATO bullet instead of the larger calibre bullets they have used in the past. The thinking behind this switch in ammunition is that the smaller calibre bullet is less likely to kill your enemy. Instead the bullet injures them which means that they now become a casualty which your enemy then has to take care of which sucks in personnel and resources to have to deal with that which then weakens your enemy

 

So from a strategic perspective the most devastating thing you can do to your enemy is in fact NOT to kill them outright but rather to chronically damage them in such a way that they are no longer able to function as a productive member of society. For example the best thing you can do is to cause autism. By doing this you not only neutralise that person but you also suck in their family who now have to use their time, energy and wealth to take care of that person.

 

The more of your enemy you can injure in such debilitating ways the weaker their society will become until it breaks under the burden

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1 minute ago, Macnamara said:

 

so if we are speaking about altering DNA then we can talk about epigenetics and i'll throw something out there which is my own opinion on this. I believe that occult ritual can be used to change people on an epigenetic level

 

But getting back to EMF's and microwaves and vaccines. Lets say the vaccines have something potentially harmful in them like aluminium which the elites want to get to pass over your blood brain barrier so that it can then affect gene expression and cause you all kinds of health problems eg auto immune disorders

 

One way to get more of that over the blood brain barrier is to weaken it and they can do that using MICROWAVES such as the frequencies used by 5G

 

lets consider this from the conspiracy angle. The conspiracy angle is that we are UNDER ATTACK. So lets say hypothetically speaking that we want to harm our enemies but we want to maintain PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY so that our enemies cannot figure out what we are doing to them. The british army now use a small calibre NATO bullet instead of the larger calibre bullets they have used in the past. The thinking behind this switch in ammunition is that the smaller calibre bullet is less likely to kill your enemy. Instead the bullet injures them which means that they now become a casualty which your enemy then has to take care of which sucks in personnel and resources to have to deal with that which then weakens your enemy

 

So from a strategic perspective the most devastating thing you can do to your enemy is in fact NOT to kill them outright but rather to chronically damage them in such a way that they are no longer able to function as a productive member of society. For example the best thing you can do is to cause autism. By doing this you not only neutralise that person but you also suck in their family who now have to use their time, energy and wealth to take care of that person.

 

The more of your enemy you can injure in such debilitating ways the weaker their society will become until it breaks under the burden


cannot disagree with that and I fully understand that to be the case in many instances. Much like asbestos is harmless when complete but they knew the spores would eventually break down and cause havoc if inhaled. Epigenetics is absolutely spot on mac, precisely what they are doing. Eugenics never went away.

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3 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

Ok, back on topic. Covid is it a separate previously unknown entity actually circulating within the public domain? or are all of the symptoms attributable to something else? 

Yeah. Bullshit. Simple. 

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2 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

are all of the symptoms attributable to something else? 

 

one area i think needs attention is the damage that can be caused by the influenza vaccines as there were roll outs of influenza vaccines particularly amongst the elderly in countries like the UK and italy.

 

Are people being given respiratory symptoms through the little understood mechanism of 'molecular mimicry' caused by the influenza vaccines?

 

One area that also needs looked at is the impact of SQUALENE on peoples guts as this may cause irritable bowel syndrome. I suggest that some of the symptoms experienced as part of 'gulf war syndrome' by the troops in the gulf war was caused by the vaccines and ingredients like squalene which may also be adversely affecting peoples pets which are also vaccinated

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4 hours ago, Anti Facts Sir said:

I find the majority of your posts very insightful and on-point. But I would have to agree with @Beaujangles here, that something is happening to people as a result of *whatever* is/was in the vaccines. I could use my own experience, but it would "only be anecdotal" as they say.

 

But sufferers of auto-immune conditions ARE seeing the triggering of previously-under-control, dormant or old symptoms since the vaccines were released into society - whether they are jabbed or not. Cancer patients ARE seeing the return of tumors and growths, or simply an overall worsening of their condition - jabbed or not. There ARE severe skin reactions being experienced by people, jabbed or not. So there is definitely something going on, it's how we frame it.

 

I don't believe there ever was a "virus" (in the way it was sold to us), but I very much believe the "vaccines" (that aren't vaccines) are doing irrepairable damage to both the jabbed and unjabbed. What I've suffered in the last 12 or so months leaves me with no other conclusion. 

 

I relate to your post one hundred percent; your last sentence is my experience too.

 

I roll with it; no fear, no acceptance of it affecting me in the long run; and each and every ‘occurence’ gets short shrift.

 

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2 hours ago, RobinJ said:

 

yes its called collective fear. By reading the constant issues that are quoted in the press from the vax ( whether you had it or not) you set yourself up for the fear of that disease or a returning problem you may have had previously. If you have that dormant fear, which is triggered by a mass psychosis event, the chances of a recurrence are far greater because you believe what has been put in front of you.

 

Emotional trauma and fear are the true enemies of health.

 

I agree that the vax are doing damage to those who have had them. I am amazed at the amount of mid 50's aged people who have died in the last two years ( and these are just the famous ones!)

 

Everything is belief. IF you believe you will be affected by those around who have had the jab, and you believe the press stories of causation, then you most likely will suffer one at least of those issues. 

 

Sometimes one doesn’t take the time and energy to be totally aware all the time of things that may cause one to take on the negative energies floating around.

 

If they should ‘invade’, in my experience, I give ‘em the heave ho and it’s all good.

 I refuse to give in to it.

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2 hours ago, RobinJ said:

 

Yes there are folks of all ages dying. However, I can tell you that in my experience over the last 2 years in a big freedom crowd and with local vaxed folks, that there is absolutely fear on all sides. The thing is that there are many levels of awake, and plenty of folks are only partly awake at best, plus they are in fear of the future, or suffering loss from what they have left behind, and running from A to B with no plan = fear.

Most Ive met have psychological problems from their past which are still evident and then brought into the freedom arena. As an estimate I would say around 90% of people Ive met have some trauma they are still dealing with.....and thats just the awake ones...!

We are a highly traumatised species.

 

Highly confused as well.

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2 hours ago, Bombadil said:

Not saying what I wrote is correct. Was reading some science journal. Obviously they were talking crap in it

Well, it would depend how far away the men could be (and how infrequently) and still have an effect

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40 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

i would narrow it down to: CONTROL

 

Even doing harm to people boils down to control because they are looking to weaken people and make them more easy to control. Depopulation too also boils down to control as it could, from the elites perspective, make the slave class more weildy

 

I don't see greed as an aspect of the conspiracy in the higher levels. Greed is for people lower down that don't grasp the conspiracy: the useful idiots who think only in terms of money

 

The people behind the conspiracy are driven by something much more powerful than a lust for wealth. Wealth is merely the means to their end which is why they can happily destroy the old economic paradigm just as long as they have created a new system that provides them even more control over everyone ie a TECHNOCRACY

 

Currency isn't real (its not pegged to anything tangible). Its an abstraction....an illusion the elites use to hand power to some while denying it to others

 

Control is key.

 

As Tony Benn observed it's very easy to control a weak, demorolised and uneducated population.

 

The technocracy has been planning this for a long time, with sadly mainly compliant citizens

 

The Covid Pass or Passport is a major stepping stone to their goal.

 

“The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities. ”

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2 minutes ago, k_j_evans said:

Well, it would depend how far away the men could be (and how infrequently) and still have an effect

Absolutely. Though I am male so have no idea about menstruation other than what I've read.😁

 

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2 hours ago, Beaujangles said:

 Also, we sweat, so who is to say where transmission ends and begins.

 

a lot of drinking water in Uk cities is recycled water so if people are excreting spike proteins in their urine that would presumably then go into the water supply when it is recycled into drinking water

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