Coronavirus Mega-Thread.

[skitzorat]

3 minutes ago, Pinkiebee said:

other than it caught them completely unprepared for something that was inevitable sooner or later

What caught them by surprise?

[Macnamara]

4 minutes ago, Pinkiebee said:

Welmml they should have been planning for a pandemic.  It's been long predicted.  I saw no evidence for other than it caught them completely unprepared for something that was inevitable sooner or later

 

if they were so unprepared how did they manage to give multiple jabs to billions of people globally?

[Pinkiebee]

Just now, Morpheus said:

Your just changing the goal posts and providing fuck all to back anything you say up. 

At this speed all I have is logic. Sorry if logic doesn't work for you

[Pinkiebee]

Just now, skitzorat said:

What caught them by surprise?

A long predicted global pandemic they had nether prepared or planned for

[skitzorat]

1 minute ago, Macnamara said:

 

if they were so unprepared how did they manage to give multiple jabs to billions of people globally?

yeah it's funny how the supply chains haven't broken down on those shipments, anywhere in the world.

 

I watched something recently where someone crunched the number (of jabs) with the time periods,  and it came out with a similar absurdity as a certain event during WWII. 

 

[SimonTV]

1 minute ago, Pinkiebee said:

A long predicted global pandemic they had nether prepared or planned for

 

Long predicted aka planned. 

[Morpheus]

2 minutes ago, Pinkiebee said:

At this speed all I have is logic. Sorry if logic doesn't work for you

Yeah sound, logic. You see, for logic to work you need some evidence to give it reason and comprehension. But yeah, logic. Poooff, absolves you of any liability for a response. FML. 

[Pinkiebee]

Just now, Macnamara said:

 

if they were so unprepared how did they manage to give multiple jabs to billions of people globally?

I'm not aware the british govenment was responsible for global jabbing 

 

How!did they jab the uk population? By throwing billions of pounds at it

[Trufflepig]

Do you work in Hermitage Pinky?

[sock muppet]

1 minute ago, Pinkiebee said:

At this speed all I have is logic. Sorry if logic doesn't work for you

 

Maybe you should step back a bit and read the entire thread from the beginning, the amount of evidence that has been presented can not be ignored, you have to remember that there are serious seekers of truth here, and for all they know you could be that fat wanker currently in Downing street!

[Macnamara]

Just now, Pinkiebee said:

A long predicted global pandemic they had nether prepared or planned for

 

 But they HAD planned for a global pandemic:

How 'Disease X' has shaped the world’s response to the new coronavirus

Encouraging pandemic planners to consider the unknown is now paying dividends, say the scientists who coined the term

By Paul Nuki, Global Health Security Editor and Sarah Newey, Global Health Security reporter 17 May 2020 • 7:00am

If vaccine or treatment for Covid-19 is discovered at “warp speed”, to use President Donald Trump’s words, it will be  in part because experts have been encouraged to plan for an unknown pathogen for which there is no obvious defence. 

This is the view of a panel of leading scientific experts who, in early 2018, added "Disease X" to a watchlist of contagions for which there were no known “countermeasures” in the form of  treatments, diagnostics or vaccines.

The story of Disease X was picked up at the time by the Telegraph and went viral.  It was read by millions of ordinary people but also experts in laboratories, universities and governments across the world. 

Those on the original R&D Blueprint panel say the inclusion of Disease X in the list - or at least the concept of encouraging pandemic planners to consider the unknown - is now paying dividends in the fight against the new coronavirus.

 

They say organisations like the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovation (Cepi), which is leading the way in the global race for a vaccine, and the WHO’s clinical trials framework, which is coordinating research into the treatment of Covid-19, owe much to the thinking behind Disease X.

Even rapid testing and the social distancing measures adopted by countries across southeast Asia early on to suppress the virus - including a stockpile of personal protective equipment (PPE) - stem to some extent from the concept of planning for the unknown. 

On the down side, note several on the WHO panel, the concept of Disease X may have come too late.

Although some countries adjusted their plans, most major western economies were still in the process of updating theirs or, as is the case in Britain, were resisting the idea.

Dr Ana Maria Henao Restrepo is the WHO official responsible for overseeing the R&D Blueprint process and the strategy for rapid roll-out of research during pandemics. It’s aim is to “fast-track the availability of effective tests, vaccines and medicines” that can be used to save lives during a crisis of the sort we face now.

Dr Henao Restrepo said that while the term “Disease X” was coined and popularised in 2018, the idea of planning for an unknown or “novel pathogen” was first adopted by the WHO in 2015. 

She said the R&D Blueprint’s work from 2015 included rolling out “generic” clinical trial frameworks and vaccine development strategies, which are being used now to fight the coronavirus. But not all the planning for Disease X had been completed.

“We discussed our priorities in December of last year… our internal plan of action was to complete all the work for the pathogen X. We didn't manage to do that but we have a lot of foundations there from our earlier efforts,” she said.

These “foundations” included the WHO’s Global Forum, a diverse group of experts from around the world who can be scrambled quickly in crisis.

“Because we had a network that existed as part of our work we were able to mobilise more than 400 scientists worldwide in a very short period of time,” added Dr Henao Restrepo.

Jimmy Whitworth, professor of international public health at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, was also on the 2018 committee and says Covid-19 can be characterised as Disease X. 

“The aim was to have a thought experiment to think about how we would respond to a totally unfamiliar pathogen that is causing an epidemic - a scenario where we wouldn’t have a case definition, a diagnostic test, a vaccine, we wouldn’t know if drugs work or how it is transmitted. 

“That probably all sounds quite familiar [now]. Covid-19 is, to some extent, entirely new.

“But then Covid-19 is also related to other coronaviruses, so we’re not starting completely from scratch. It’s somewhere in between - some elements for Disease X and some elements of [other] coronaviruses apply,” Prof Whitworth added. 

Dr David Brett-Major, an infectious diseases physician from the University of Nebraska, thinks he may have been responsible for the term “Disease X” itself.

“I’m not sure if it was me or another but I think it was me,” he said. “Anyway, it was used and it got picked up quickly in the conversation… it just stuck”.

He added that the “disease agnostic” vaccine platforms pioneered by Cepi are the most high profile innovations to come out of the process of preparing for Disease X.

But in hindsight he thinks the world put too much focus on “what we need to have rather than what we have to do” when new pathogens breakout. 

“There is a gap in what we are experiencing now with the application of social [lockdown] measures. We really have no idea to what extent they have to be employed or how they work, so we are using them blind”. 

The WHO and others have “done good work updating their pandemic guidance” to take on such measures but they have not been universally adopted, Dr David Brett-Major added. “Some countries have got round to updating their own plans - others have not.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/disease-x-has-shaped-worlds-response-new-coronavirus/

[Pinkiebee]

Just now, Morpheus said:

Yeah sound, logic. You see, for logic to work you need some evidence to give it reason and comprehension. But yeah, logic. Poooff, absolves you of any liability for a response. FML. 

I've put a great deal of thought and consideration into it.

 

I'm angry as fuck at them. I'm not absolving them of blame at all

[Macnamara]

5 minutes ago, skitzorat said:

yeah it's funny how the supply chains haven't broken down on those shipments, anywhere in the world.

 

not stopping the flow of weapons from the british government to the Ukrainian proxies either

[Pinkiebee]

Just now, sock muppet said:

 

Maybe you should step back a bit and read the entire thread from the beginning, the amount of evidence that has been presented can not be ignored, you have to remember that there are serious seekers of truth here, and for all they know you could be that fat wanker currently in Downing street!

It would help if you formed an orderly queue to just attack me one at a time. I'm trying to respond to all

Edited April 19, 2022 by Pinkiebee

[Macnamara]

8 minutes ago, Pinkiebee said:

I'm not aware the british govenment was responsible for global jabbing 

 

How!did they jab the uk population? By throwing billions of pounds at it

 

no the money had already been thrown at the system PRIOR to the plandemic as i illustrated above with that flowchart of gates money. If you click on that thread i mentioned in that post above you will find all kinds of information about the flows of money PRIOR to the casedemic

 

The groundwork had already been done before anyone faceplanted into the tarmac in wuhan

Edited April 19, 2022 by Macnamara

[Macnamara]

1 minute ago, Pinkiebee said:

. I'm trying to respond to all

 

don't respond. Read and learn

[Pinkiebee]

Just now, Macnamara said:

 

 But they HAD planned for a global pandemic:

How 'Disease X' has shaped the world’s response to the new coronavirus

Encouraging pandemic planners to consider the unknown is now paying dividends, say the scientists who coined the term

By Paul Nuki, Global Health Security Editor and Sarah Newey, Global Health Security reporter 17 May 2020 • 7:00am

If vaccine or treatment for Covid-19 is discovered at “warp speed”, to use President Donald Trump’s words, it will be  in part because experts have been encouraged to plan for an unknown pathogen for which there is no obvious defence. 

This is the view of a panel of leading scientific experts who, in early 2018, added "Disease X" to a watchlist of contagions for which there were no known “countermeasures” in the form of  treatments, diagnostics or vaccines.

The story of Disease X was picked up at the time by the Telegraph and went viral.  It was read by millions of ordinary people but also experts in laboratories, universities and governments across the world. 

Those on the original R&D Blueprint panel say the inclusion of Disease X in the list - or at least the concept of encouraging pandemic planners to consider the unknown - is now paying dividends in the fight against the new coronavirus.

 

They say organisations like the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovation (Cepi), which is leading the way in the global race for a vaccine, and the WHO’s clinical trials framework, which is coordinating research into the treatment of Covid-19, owe much to the thinking behind Disease X.

Even rapid testing and the social distancing measures adopted by countries across southeast Asia early on to suppress the virus - including a stockpile of personal protective equipment (PPE) - stem to some extent from the concept of planning for the unknown. 

On the down side, note several on the WHO panel, the concept of Disease X may have come too late.

Although some countries adjusted their plans, most major western economies were still in the process of updating theirs or, as is the case in Britain, were resisting the idea.

Dr Ana Maria Henao Restrepo is the WHO official responsible for overseeing the R&D Blueprint process and the strategy for rapid roll-out of research during pandemics. It’s aim is to “fast-track the availability of effective tests, vaccines and medicines” that can be used to save lives during a crisis of the sort we face now.

Dr Henao Restrepo said that while the term “Disease X” was coined and popularised in 2018, the idea of planning for an unknown or “novel pathogen” was first adopted by the WHO in 2015. 

She said the R&D Blueprint’s work from 2015 included rolling out “generic” clinical trial frameworks and vaccine development strategies, which are being used now to fight the coronavirus. But not all the planning for Disease X had been completed.

“We discussed our priorities in December of last year… our internal plan of action was to complete all the work for the pathogen X. We didn't manage to do that but we have a lot of foundations there from our earlier efforts,” she said.

These “foundations” included the WHO’s Global Forum, a diverse group of experts from around the world who can be scrambled quickly in crisis.

“Because we had a network that existed as part of our work we were able to mobilise more than 400 scientists worldwide in a very short period of time,” added Dr Henao Restrepo.

Jimmy Whitworth, professor of international public health at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, was also on the 2018 committee and says Covid-19 can be characterised as Disease X. 

“The aim was to have a thought experiment to think about how we would respond to a totally unfamiliar pathogen that is causing an epidemic - a scenario where we wouldn’t have a case definition, a diagnostic test, a vaccine, we wouldn’t know if drugs work or how it is transmitted. 

“That probably all sounds quite familiar [now]. Covid-19 is, to some extent, entirely new.

“But then Covid-19 is also related to other coronaviruses, so we’re not starting completely from scratch. It’s somewhere in between - some elements for Disease X and some elements of [other] coronaviruses apply,” Prof Whitworth added. 

Dr David Brett-Major, an infectious diseases physician from the University of Nebraska, thinks he may have been responsible for the term “Disease X” itself.

“I’m not sure if it was me or another but I think it was me,” he said. “Anyway, it was used and it got picked up quickly in the conversation… it just stuck”.

He added that the “disease agnostic” vaccine platforms pioneered by Cepi are the most high profile innovations to come out of the process of preparing for Disease X.

But in hindsight he thinks the world put too much focus on “what we need to have rather than what we have to do” when new pathogens breakout. 

“There is a gap in what we are experiencing now with the application of social [lockdown] measures. We really have no idea to what extent they have to be employed or how they work, so we are using them blind”. 

The WHO and others have “done good work updating their pandemic guidance” to take on such measures but they have not been universally adopted, Dr David Brett-Major added. “Some countries have got round to updating their own plans - others have not.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/disease-x-has-shaped-worlds-response-new-coronavirus/

Who had planned ? Not it seems the british govenment who removed funding for such

[skitzorat]

1 minute ago, Pinkiebee said:

A long predicted global pandemic they had nether prepared or planned for

but there is no pandemic - I provided you proof of that.

 

See how you ignore the evidence when provided? - the evidence, or evidence of the complete lack-there-of proof of there being "novel" virus to cause a pandemic.

 

 I also provided evidence of how the "cases" have been created/tested using a fraudulent test that the creator said can't be used for that purpose- even if you don't believe elderly weren't murdered and it was "overblown" and there is a real virus - how can there be any cases when the test is fake?

 

Those two things, especially the test, under pin your entire believe system.

 

but of course you ignore that and *the govt failed* lol

 

Oh and BTW - all governments across the world, especially developed nations DID have "pandemic" preparedness and planning protocols. For decades, continually updated... they just ALL didn't use them, for some very curious reason!

All governments just threw decades of scientific planning and advice out, simultaneously.

But I'm sure that's just because Boris Johnson (and UK govt) is a silly man, right.

[Youknownothingbutyou]

18 minutes ago, Pinkiebee said:

 forced rather depends on your defintion of forced

shill are idiots arent they hahaha

[Pinkiebee]

Just now, Macnamara said:

 

no the money had already been thrown at PRIOR to the plandemic as i illustrated above with that flowchart of gates money. If you click on that thread i mentioned in that post above you will find all kinds of information about the flows of money PRIOR to the casedmic

 

The groundwork had already been done before anyone faceplanted into the tarmac in wuhan

How had they thrown money at a vacination program that hadnt happen for a vacine that hadnt been invented yet

[Macnamara]

3 minutes ago, Pinkiebee said:

Who had planned ? Not it seems the british govenment who removed funding for such

 

not true

Pandemic preparedness: UK government kept coronavirus modelling secret

BMJ 2021; 373 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.n1501 (Published 11 June 2021) Cite this as: BMJ 2021;373:n1501

1. Clare Dyer

1. Author affiliations

The UK government modelled a coronavirus pandemic five years ago but kept the fact secret from parliament, a campaigning doctor has discovered through a Freedom of Information Act request.

A list released by Public Health England shows for the first time that 11 pandemic and epidemic preparedness exercises were carried out between 2015 and 2019. They included Exercise Alice, which in 2016 tested the country’s readiness to cope with Middle East respiratory syndrome, caused by a coronavirus.

Moosa Qureshi, an NHS consultant haematologist, has been waging a legal battle for transparency since the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic broke out in early 2020.12 His efforts led to the disclosure that the government had modelled an influenza pandemic in Exercise Cygnus in 2016,3 but the existence of the other exercises has only now come to light. Apart from influenza and MERS, the other exercises modelled outbreaks of avian flu, Ebola virus disease, and Lassa fever.

Public Health England initially refused to answer his request for information on other modelling exercises on the grounds of national security. It was only after Qureshi asked for the decision to be reviewed that the list was released.

But Public Health England still insists that it would damage national security to release reports on the exercises, apart from that on Exercise Cygnus. Qureshi has complained to the Information Commissioner’s Office.

Matt Hancock, the health and social care secretary for England, told MPs after the list was released, “Famously, all the preparations and the plans that were in place were for a flu pandemic. Novel coronavirus, as we’ll come to when we talk about asymptomatic transmission, is different from even the previous coronaviruses, including SARS and MERS.”

Giving evidence before the parliamentary joint committees on science and technology, and health and social care, he added, “It’s true that the countries that experienced SARS and MERS were better prepared than we were, partly because of that experience. But it is also true that covid-19 is very different from SARS and MERS, and the number one difference is that it has asymptomatic transmission.”

Qureshi said, “The health secretary told parliament that Exercise Cygnus looked at UK preparedness for a flu pandemic, not other pandemics, but the truth is that he’s covering up multiple secret reports on preparedness for other pandemics, including a coronavirus pandemic. Politicians need to stop playing ‘Yes, Minister’ and understand that pandemic preparedness is improved by transparency and public scrutiny.”

Peter Openshaw, an immunologist and professor of experimental medicine at Imperial College London and a member of the government’s Nervtag committee, which advises on new and emerging respiratory virus threats, told The BMJ, “It does seem surprising that those exercises weren’t presented to scientific advisory committees. It would be interesting to raise it on Nervtag.”

David Matthews, a reader in virology at Bristol University, told the Guardian that the MERS exercise “would have been completely relevant” to the government’s response to covid-19.4

A government spokesperson said, “We have always been clear that we undertake exercises regularly, both at a national and local level, as they are an essential part of assessing both our pandemic preparedness and planning for a wide range of scenarios. The lessons learnt from these exercises have contributed to our ability to rapidly respond to this unprecedented global crisis and continue to be considered by the government and a range of stakeholders, including expert advisory groups and local emergency planners, in reviewing pandemic response plans.”

This article is made freely available for use in accordance with BMJ's website terms and conditions for the duration of the covid-19 pandemic or until otherwise determined by BMJ. You may use, download and print the article for any lawful, non-commercial purpose (including text and data mining) provided that all copyright notices and trade marks are retained.

https://bmj.com/coronavirus/usage

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[Macnamara]

1 minute ago, Pinkiebee said:

How had they thrown money at a vacination program that hadnt happen for a vacine that hadnt been invented yet

 

Bill gates had already given £850,000 to the MHRA who were supposed to be the regulators that would regulate any new drug

 

That's just one example of how gates money was pumped into bodies that were supposed to monitor these things

 

As i explained the mRNA technology had been resurrected by the gates foundation PRIOR to the casedemic as this scientist who worked on it testified:

 

Dr. Peter Hotez Tells Congress That Children Died In Coronavirus Vaccine Trials (Video)

July 27, 2020

In this clip, esteemed coronavirus vaccine expert Doctor Peter Hotez, who works with the Gates Foundation, testifies before U.S. Congress on March 5, 2020 about the risks and potential deaths of coronavirus vaccine. Please save this clip and share it widely.

 

MARCH 5, 2020 | CLIP OF HOUSE SCIENCE, SPACE, AND TECHNOLOGY COMMITTEE HEARING ON CORONAVIRUS

 

Dr. Peter Hotez Addressing House Science, Space, and Technology Committee Hearing on Coronavirus, March 5, 2020

Excerpt:

"When I say scientific challenge, one of the things we are not hearing a lot about is potential safety problems of coronavirus vaccines. This was first found in the 1960s with respiratory interstitial virus vaccines done in Washington with the NIH and Children's National Medical Center. Some of those kids who got the vaccine did worse and I believe there were two deaths. What happens with certain types of respiratory virus vaccine, to get immunized and when you are exposed to the virus you get this paradoxical enhancement phenomenon. We don't entirely understand the basis of it, that we recognize there's a real problem with certain respiratory virus vaccines. That killed the program for decades and now the Gates foundation is taking it up again, but then we start developing coronavirus vaccines. We noticed laboratory animals that they started to show some of the same pathology that resembled what it happened years earlier. This is going to be problematic..."

I found this excerpt in search for Dr Hotez that took me to this blogpost: https://nofacemask.blogspot.com/2020/07/dr-peter-hotez-tells-congress-that.html

[skitzorat]

7 minutes ago, Pinkiebee said:

How had they thrown money at a vacination program that hadnt happen for a vacine that hadnt been invented yet

Keep up sunshine.

 

Patent US10702600 for the vaccine candidate mRNA-1273 was actually registered in its new composition on March 28, 2019.

That’s 9 months earlier than the official outbreak of the Covid-19 pandemic in China and the provision of the official Wuhan sequence MN908947.1, the virus initially known as 2019-nCoV after which renamed by the World Well being Group SARS-Cov-2 to the sturdy genomic id with SARS of 2003 

https://tasikherbal.com/moderna-vaccine-patented-9-months-earlier-than-pandemic-due-to-the-fauci-baric-artifical-sars-viruses-2.html

[Macnamara]

Now lets consider that a member of the venerable pirate council iamawaveofthesea created a thread on the old david icke forum titled 'disease X' back in 2018, two years before the covid casedemic

 

So how could we humble 'conspiracy theorists' have predicted this two years in advance? That thread was then necro'd on this forum here:

 

Edited April 19, 2022 by Macnamara

[Youknownothingbutyou]

5 minutes ago, skitzorat said:

Keep up sunshine.

 

Patent US10702600 for the vaccine candidate mRNA-1273 was actually registered in its new composition on March 28, 2019.

That’s 9 months earlier than the official outbreak of the Covid-19 pandemic in China and the provision of the official Wuhan sequence MN908947.1, the virus initially known as 2019-nCoV after which renamed by the World Well being Group SARS-Cov-2 to the sturdy genomic id with SARS of 2003 

https://tasikherbal.com/moderna-vaccine-patented-9-months-earlier-than-pandemic-due-to-the-fauci-baric-artifical-sars-viruses-2.html

shills are good. maybe a lot of folks have missed all the information youve shown today. great sort of resume caused by shills. 

 

 

Edited April 19, 2022 by Youknownothingbutyou