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[Steve H]

4 minutes ago, zarkov said:

Apologies for the long post

Link and article below 

https://www.zoeharcombe.com/2020/11/sage-conflicts-of-interest/

 

SAGE conflicts of interest

 November 9, 2020

Executive summary

* As late as March 11th, 2020, the UK government and medical officers issued practical and minimally disruptive advice to combat the spread of the novel coronavirus.

* On March 16th, the now infamous Neil Ferguson/Imperial College paper was published predicting over 500,000 deaths in the UK and 2.2 million in the US if suppression measures were not introduced.

* Stricter measures were announced on the day that paper was published, and the first UK lockdown was announced a week later, on March 23rd. US states variously followed suit.

* The committee that has been advising the government throughout this period is called the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE). Ferguson was a member of this committee until he resigned in May for having broken lockdown rules.

* This week’s note examines the key influencers on SAGE and their conflicts of interest:

– Organisations invested in vaccines make money from vaccines. People who acquire natural immunity have less/no need for a vaccine. If people are locked in their homes, they have less chance of acquiring natural immunity.

– Twelve out of 20 key influencers work for/have received funding from organisations involved in the Covid-19 vaccine.

– There are four times more modellers/statisticians and experts in behaviour manipulation on the committee than there are virologists. There are no immunologists.

* It doesn’t matter if a drug is good or bad. It matters that those who have a financial interest in that drug are conflicted if they give advice that protects the financial interest in that drug.

Introduction

Imagine that a new disease emerged. It presented less risk of death than a lightning strike for school-age children (Ref i), but it was particularly nasty for the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions. A committee decided that draconian measures – the likes of which had never been experienced or studied – should be imposed on the entire population until a drug to ease the disease outcome arrived. If you then discovered that the majority of the committee members had financial interests in the drug being developed, how would you feel?

Background

The conflicts that I am going to go through in this note are primarily related to vaccines, but this is a note about conflicts and not vaccines. The background to the issues is as follows…

On March 11th, 2020, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson, and the Deputy Chief Medical Officer, Dr Jenny Harries, held at briefing at Downing Street. A five minute video summarised the evidence and advice to the British people (Ref ii). The advice was stay home if you’re sick, wash your hands, protect the vulnerable, most people will have a mild illness, wearing face masks is “usually quite a bad idea“, and “big gatherings don’t have a big effect so we don’t want to disrupt people’s lives.” Dr Harries summed up the UK position by saying, “so, as a professional, I am absolutely delighted that we are following the science and the evidence.” The science has not changed, but the advice has.

On March 16th, Neil Ferguson/Imperial College published a non-peer-reviewed paper which said that unless a suppression strategy were adopted “we would predict approximately 510,000 deaths in GB and 2.2 million in the US not accounting for the potential negative effects of health systems being overwhelmed on mortality” (Ref iii). Prime Minister Johnson announced stricter measures that day and then, a week later, on March 23rd, he announced that the UK would be put into lockdown for three weeks “to avoid the NHS being overwhelmed.”

Professor Johan Giesecke is an infectious disease specialist and advisor to the Swedish government. He was the World Health Organization (WHO) leader of the revision of the International Health Regulations and he was the first Chief Scientist of the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC) a post he held between 2005-2014 (Ref iv). Just before five minutes into this interview (Ref v), Professor Giesecke explained the Sweden coronavirus strategy: “Herd immunity isn’t the strategy; it’s a by-product of the strategy. The strategy is to protect the old and the frail.” Giesecke summarised the policies introduced in Sweden as: there’s no lockdown. People are free to go out. There’s no police to stop you in the street. People are asked to stay inside but there’s no reinforcement. We have a rule that a crowd cannot be bigger than 50 people. The upper schools are closed. Schools up to the age of 15-16 are open. Nursing homes are closed to visitors. Sweden didn’t do nothing; therefore, but Sweden did treat their grown-ups like grown-ups. Giesecke then described the Sweden strategy as “It’s very similar to the one the UK had before there was a famous paper by the Imperial College by the modellers, that came out and the day after you made a U-Turn in England.”

Giesecke said of the Ferguson/Imperial paper: “I don’t think any other scientific endeavour has made such an impression on the world as that rather [pause] debatable paper.” “It was very much so overly pessimistic.”

In this context, there are two fundamental issues with the committee making decisions about lockdowns having vaccine conflicts:

1) Organisations invested in vaccines make money from vaccines. If people acquire natural immunity, they have reduced or no need for a vaccine and thus the potential gain for the vaccine company is reduced.

2) Locking people in their homes and other lockdown measures will reduce the number of people who acquire natural immunity.

It’s that simple.

As Giesecke explained, the Ferguson/Imperial paper had global impact, since its dire warnings were heeded around the world. Ferguson’s history of abysmally inaccurate models must be noted upfront. As just one example, in 2005, Ferguson predicted that up to 150 million people could be killed from bird flu. In fact, 282 people died worldwide from the disease between 2003 and 2009 (Ref vi). When challenged about his March 2020 Covid-19 model, Ferguson admitted that it was based on undocumented, 13-year-old, computer code that was intended to be used for a influenza pandemic, rather than a coronavirus. Ferguson refused to release his original code so that other scientists could check his results. When software engineers finally got hold of some of the code, they tore it apart in hours (Ref vii).

In this context, let’s examine the key influencers who managed to get the UK into lockdown 1 and who have just succeeded in returning the UK to lockdown 2.

Method

The minutes from the SAGE committee meetings are available thanks to the efforts of businessman Simon Dolan. He has fought in the courts to ensure that the minutes are openly available, as part of his ongoing legal action that the measures imposed on the UK have been illegal and disproportionate (Ref viii). The minutes were finally published on Friday 29th May (Ref ix).

I have gone through the minutes to get the list of attendees and then assessed the key influencers on the committee. This was done by attendance and importance. I examined the first 30 minutes, from meeting 1 on January 22nd, 2020 to meeting 30 on April 30th, 2020 (Ref x). This covered the important period from early discussions about the virus situation in China… to the Downing Street Briefings on 16th March and then the UK lockdown announcement on 23rd March… to the point where Johnson declared, in a briefing on 30th April, “we are past the peak of this disease” (Ref xi).

There were 25 people who attended 5 meetings or fewer – 10 attending just 1 meeting during that 3-month period – whose influence would have been minimal. The key influencers were the 20 people who attended at least half (15 or more) of the 30 meetings I examined. I checked to see if these were still the key attendees in the more recent minutes (meeting 55, 3rd September and meeting 61, 8th October as examples) and they essentially were. The notable exception was that Ferguson resigned from the SAGE committee when it became known (on 5th May) that he had broken lockdown rules (Ref xii). He had attended every one of the first 30 meetings. The only other person with that 100% attendance record was Sir Patrick Vallance. Ferguson’s influence has not gone, however. He is a member of NERVTAG (The New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group), as are many members of SAGE (which means that the main committee is largely using a subset of that committee to advise itself). Additionally, Ferguson is still given airtime by the media to continue to issue his apocalyptic predictions.

The details of the conflicts of these key influencers are below.

The 20 key influencers

In what follows: GCSA = Government Chief Scientific Advisor, CSA = Chief Scientific Advisor, CMO = Chief Medical Officer and LSHTM = London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. Please note that the references for the table are reported separately at the end of this note.

Examination of the 20 key influencers on SAGE reveals the following:

1) 11 out of 20 work for the government (some hold government roles in addition to other roles).

2) 12 out of 20 work for/have received funding from organisations involved in the Covid-19 vaccine. Those 12 don’t include Vallance with personal pharmaceutical conflicts or Whitty with historical funding from the Gates foundation. Three work for Imperial College and two work for Oxford University – the two forerunners in the Covid-19 vaccine race in the UK – each receiving millions of pounds from government(s) (Ref xiii). Three more work for the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine with its own vaccine centre (working on Covid-19 among other vaccines). One works for UCL, which is working with Imperial on its vaccine. Two work for Wellcome/the Wellcome Sanger Institute and one has received funding from the latter. Two members have double conflicts – Peter Horby with Oxford University and Wellcome and Wendy Barclay with Imperial College and Wellcome.

3) Taking the major role only (to keep this totalling 20), 5 are Chief Scientific Advisors in government (2 of these are modellers/statisticians); 4 more are modellers/statisticians, 2 are experts in how to manipulate human behaviour, 3 are medical officers/directors, 3 hold senior roles in the 2 universities leading the vaccine race, and 3 work for/have been funded by Wellcome (as above, 2 of the university members also have conflicts with Wellcome.)

4) There are no immunologists among the key influencers on the SAGE committee. There are two virologists. Wendy Barclay has particular expertise in flu and works for Imperial College and her laboratory is funded by Wellcome. The other, Maria Zambon, also works for Imperial and has “specific interest in RNA viruses, antivirals and vaccines.” Zambon and Ferguson were named in a 2010 article exposing the fact that: “A third of the experts advising the World Health Organisation about the swine flu pandemic had ties to drugs firms, it has emerged.”

Zambon and Ferguson are not the only SAGE members to have history of working together. As another example, Whitty, Ferguson, Farrar, and Edmunds collaborated on an Ebola paper entitled “Infectious disease: Tough choices to reduce Ebola transmission” (Ref xiv). The two behaviour experts among the key influencers have also collaborated on this controversial paper (Ref xv). The following extract from the paper has been widely cited as evidence to show how fear has been used to coerce UK citizens: “A substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened… The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent, using hard‐hitting emotional messaging based on accurate information about risk.” The paper has sections on coercion, compulsion and how to harness “social disapproval” to coerce people into doing what government wants them to do.

Given that the media was interested 10 years ago when one third of the experts advising the WHO on swine flu had drug conflicts, the media should surely be interested now that 12-14 out of 20 have such conflicts (Ref xvi). It doesn’t matter if a drug is good or bad. It matters that those who have a financial interest in that drug are conflicted if they give advice that protects the financial interest in that drug.

The advice emanating from SAGE is currently under scrutiny as never before. The Centre for Evidence Based Medicine, which has been an exemplar of rigour during the Covid-19 period, has highlighted the inaccuracies in the recent forecasts that have resulted in Lockdown 2 (Ref xvii). Slides broadcast on national TV on 31st October were revised downwards by the time the slides were published on line. The two main drivers of SAGE – Vallance and Whitty – were summoned to appear before the Science and Technology Committee on 3rd November where Vallance expressed regret for frightening people. But SAGE knows that people need to be frightened into compliance for their strategy to work, as the SAGE behaviour advisors documented in their academic paper. I wonder if that fear might turn to anger if people realise that the committee may not be the independent body that it has been assumed to be.

 

References for the article

Ref i) https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3259
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/06/09/school-age-children-likely-hit-lightning-die-coronavirus-oxbridge/
Ref ii) https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=227850301597915
Ref iii) https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf
Ref iv) https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/strategic-and-technical-advisory-group-for-infectious-hazards/members/biographies/en/index2.html
Rev v) https://unherd.com/thepost/coming-up-epidemiologist-prof-johan-giesecke-shares-lessons-from-sweden/
Ref vi) https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2020/05/08/so-the-real-scandal-is-why-did-anyone-ever-listen-to-this-guy/
Ref vii) https://lockdownsceptics.org/code-review-of-fergusons-model/
Rev viii) https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/may/16/government-legal-action-refusal-to-publish-sage-minutes-lockdown
Ref ix) https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-publishes-sage-minutes
Ref x) The meeting minutes ceased being searchable from meeting 18 on the 23rd March, which made analysis more difficult.
Ref xi) https://www.gov.uk/government/news/prime-ministers-statement-on-coronavirus-covid-19-30-april-2020
Ref xii) https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/05/exclusive-government-scientist-neil-ferguson-resigns-breaking/
Ref xiii) 17 May “So far the government has invested £47 million in the Oxford and Imperial vaccine programmes. But today I can announce an additional £84 million of new government funding to help accelerate their work… I can also confirm that with government support, Oxford University has finalised a global licensing agreement with AstraZeneca for the commercialisation and manufacturing of the Oxford vaccine.” https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/business-secretarys-statement-on-coronavirus-covid-19-17-may-2020
Ref xiv) https://www.nature.com/news/infectious-disease-tough-choices-to-reduce-ebola-transmission-1.16298
Ref xv) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7276722/
Ref xvi) https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1302505/WHO-swine-flu-advisers-ties-drug-firms-Experts-linked-vaccine-producers.html
Ref xvii) https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/the-innacuracoes-in-the-sage-models/

References for the table

Ref 1 : https://www.gov.uk/government/people/patrick-vallance
Ref 2: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/23/revealed-sir-patrick-vallance-has-600000-shareholding-firm-contracted/
Ref 3: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/people/neil.ferguson
Ref 4: https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/business-secretarys-statement-on-coronavirus-covid-19-17-may-2020
17 May “So far the government has invested £47 million in the Oxford and Imperial vaccine programmes. But today I can announce an additional £84 million of new government funding to help accelerate their work… I can also confirm that with government support, Oxford University has finalised a global licensing agreement with AstraZeneca for the commercialisation and manufacturing of the Oxford vaccine.”
Ref 5: https://www.gov.uk/government/people/christopher-whitty
Ref 6: https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-03/lsoh-lso030408.php
Ref 7: https://www.gov.uk/government/people/charlotte-watts
Ref 8: http://strive.lshtm.ac.uk/people/charlotte-watts
Ref 9: https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/research/centres/vaccine-centre/covid-19
Ref 10: https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/research/research-action/features/maths-maps-modellers-tackling-covid-19
Ref 11: https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2015/03/26/clare-wenham-and-john-edmunds-how-effective-is-this-years-flu-vaccine/
Ref 12: https://www.gov.uk/government/people/jonathan-van-tam
Ref 13: https://www.kcl.ac.uk/people/james-rubin
Ref 14: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7276722/ “A substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened… The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent, using hard‐hitting emotional messaging based on accurate information about risk”
Ref 15: https://www.gov.uk/government/people/john-aston and http://www.csap.cam.ac.uk/network/john-aston/
Ref 16: https://www.isirv.org/site/index.php/council-members/11-antiviral-group/165-maria-zambon
Ref 17: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/medicine/nihr-hpru-respiratory-infections/people/ and https://www.imperial.ac.uk/medicine/nihr-hpru-respiratory-infections/research-themes/influenza/
Ref 18: https://www.who.int/ihr/procedures/emerg_comm_members_20140616/en/
Ref 19: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1302505/WHO-swine-flu-advisers-ties-drug-firms-Experts-linked-vaccine-producers.html
Ref 20: https://www.gov.uk/government/people/angela-mclean
Ref 21: https://www.kcl.ac.uk/people/brooke-rogers
Ref 22: https://www.ndm.ox.ac.uk/team/peter-horby
Ref 23: https://www.england.nhs.uk/author/professor-stephen-h-powis/ and https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/headlines/2020/apr/profile-professor-stephen-powis
Ref 24: https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2020/jul/covid-19-vaccine-trialled-healthy-volunteers
Ref 25: https://www.sanger.ac.uk/external_person/peacock-sharon/
Ref 26: https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-centre/press-releases/2016/AstraZeneca-launches-integrated-genomics-approach-to-transform-drug-discovery-and-development-22042016.html#!
Ref 27: https://www.gov.uk/government/people/carole-mundell
Ref 28: https://wellcome.org/about-us/executive-leadership-team
Ref 29: https://wellcome.org/about-us/teams/vaccines-team
Ref 30: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/people/w.barclay
Ref 31: https://www.ed.ac.uk/edinburgh-infectious-diseases/research/themes/disease-dynamics/andrew-rambaut
Ref 32: https://twitter.com/arambaut/status/1254827417761431555?lang=en and https://www.cogconsortium.uk/about/
Ref 33: https://www.gov.uk/government/people/ian-diamond

“I’m a rather fat feathery owl called Sage, I’m not at all happy, in fact in a rage...“
 

Perhaps they should try consulting with Mr Onion and the chives.

 

or maybe even dill the dog.......

 

 

[Macnamara]

11 minutes ago, Itsa said:

Reported as the first British person to have caught covid19 and also claimed his cat caught it as well and died.

 

perhaps they were tying up loose ends?

 

it's what they do: murder people who threaten their narratives

Edited November 11, 2020 by Macnamara

[Macnamara]

25 minutes ago, greatdayforfreedom said:

Surely the question people need to ask is ''What is this vaccine for then''? Even the most deeply asleep people must want to question why they will want to continue muzzles, social distancing and lockdowns  when they have had a vaccine? How bloody blatant does it need to be? Most of us have heard someone say ''life can't get back to normal without a vaccine'', these people will have a serious wake up call.

 

It's about getting something into your body that you wouldn't otherwise agree to having if you actually knew what it was

 

So they have to trick you and pretend that they are giving you a drug for your health

 

 

[Macnamara]

No end to the lockdown even after a vaccine:

Boris Johnson warns Pfizer jab 'WON'T deliver knock-out blow' needed to end lockdown as 50 rebel Tory MPs say PM must not 'use vaccine as excuse to keep England closed for even longer' and country prepares for 'FOUR-tier system from December 2'

• Fears that Britons could face more confusion when the current lockdown comes to an end on December 2 
• Government is looking again at Tier system and treating regions together rather than cities individually
• New tougher Tier 4 for some regions that struggle to manage infection rates has been mooted for weeks

By James Tapsfield, Political Editor For Mailonline and Danyal Hussain For Mailonline

Published: 02:21, 11 November 2020 | Updated: 14:29, 11 November 2020

Boris Johnson today warned that a vaccine will not deliver a 'knockout blow' to coronavirus as Tories insisted he must not use the prospect of jabs to keep the country in lockdown longer.

At a bad-tempered PMQs session, Mr Johnson again welcomed the news that Pfizer's vaccine had been 90 per cent effective in early trials.

But he gave a stern message to the public that they should not be expecting an early end to restrictions, despite claims it could start being rolled out by Christmas. 

He said the 'best way to get this country back on its feet' was to 'continue on the path that we are, driving the virus down'.

The premier said science had given the country 'two big boxing gloves' via a possible vaccine and mass testing, but added: 'Neither of them is capable of delivering a knock out blow on its own.

'That's why this country needs to continue to work hard to keep discipline and to observe the measures we've put in.'

The pointed comments came amid signs whole regions of England could be kept under brutal restrictions after the blanket lockdown ends on December 2. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8936191/Government-considers-changing-anti-Covid-tier-December-2.html

[Saved]

3 hours ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

The Queen and rest of Royal Family WON'T be able to jump the queue for Covid vaccine, rich people will be banned from buying jab and even Boris will have to wait his turn
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8936099/Queen-rest-Royal-Family-WONT-able-jump-queue-Covid-vaccine.html

 

They can have mine.

The poor have been giving to the rich since the beginning.

 

The poor have been laying their lives down for the rich since the beginning.

 

 

Why stop now?

[Macnamara]

HEALTH is founded on good nutrition, exercise in fresh air and sunlight, regular sleep, avoiding prolongued stress and avoiding harmful environmental toxins such as harmful chemicals, microwaves and so on. That's the true model of health

 

But the allopathic system of medicine imposed on the west by the rockefellers is founded on SYNTHETIC drugs and vaccines and that isn't really a 'health' system but rather one that creates new chronic problems that make people longterm and sometimes lifelong consumers of big pharma cartel products. Usually their medical interventions then create further problems which they have to also be treated with further medical interventions. Also interventions are geared towards dealing with symptoms and not core problems. If they actually healed people then under their model they lose a customer so its bad business for them

 

The government should spend taxpayers money on ensuring the public get all the stuff in the first model above but instead they spend all taxpayers money on the second allopathic model and that will NEVER lead to improvements in public health:

Government has spent £333bn on the coronavirus pandemic - more than TWICE the NHS budget: Costs hit £83bn for furlough plus £40bn for 'moonshot' Covid tests as public debt soars above £2TRILLION

• The cost to the taxpayer is now more than twice the annual NHS England budget
• Includes £240billion from Treasury on measures to save the economy and jobs 
• £40billion is being spent on the new 'moonshot' coronavirus testing system
• £12billion has been spent on much-critisised Test and Trace system 

By David Wilcock, Whitehall Correspondent For Mailonline

Published: 13:48, 11 November 2020 | Updated: 13:53, 11 November 2020

Government spending on anti-coronavirus measures has surpassed an eye-watering third of a trillion pounds since the pandemic began.

Analysis by MailOnline shows that the cost to the taxpayer of saving lives and securing jobs and businesses has reached an astonishing £333billion - more than twice the annual NHS England budget.

The spending includes around £240billion from the Treasury on measures to save the economy and jobs - including around £83 million on furlough.

Billions more are being spent on the new 'moonshot' coronavirus testing system that is being piloted in Liverpool before a nationwide roll-out. 

And the estimated £40billion cost that has emerged so far is just for the cost of manufacturing the tests and having them analysed in labs across the UK. It does not include the administrative and logistical costs involved with such a massive project. 

On top of the identified spending there is also likely to be billions more in associated costs like an increase in benefit payments caused by the increase in unemployment - although furlough spending is designed to reduce the number of people who find themselves out of work.

The huge figures are likely to cause consternation among Tory MPs. British government debt has surpassed £2trillion, or 103.5 per cent of gross domestic product, its highest since 1960 when the country was still recovering from heavy spending during World War Two.

Annual borrowing looks set to hit 400 billion pounds for its highest share of GDP since the war at around 20 per cent of GDP.

Boris Johnson will face sustained pressure from within his own party not to extend the national lockdown next month after senior backbenchers formed a resistance group.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8937947/Government-spent-333bn-coronavirus-pande.html

How the rockefellers changed the course of medicine in the west:

 

 

 

[Noctua]

 

Quite the number there 

[Morpheus]

2 hours ago, Fluke said:

 

Good listen this is. And James gives a shout out "to the David icke crowd" absolute Lad. 

Scratching the surface without actually crossing the line. How he can refer to himself as an intelligent person who can claim to see what is going on, is madness. Maybe him and his pal should stop mocking the David Icke Tin Foil hat brigade and actually start to engage with them. It's clear that we've got it right from the beginning and they've got it all well wrong. Funny how they talk about various people like Gove, Moog, Johnson etc, but don't say anything about their business dealings or their associates because if they did they may well step on  something that's been raised decades ago by the tin foil hat brigade. 

 

It was a good watch, but until either of them begin to open their minds further then all their words are nothing but hot air. I actually found it frustrating in the end, not because of what they had to say, but because they couldn't explain what they can see happening. I actually reckon that Laura Perrin's wanted to say more, but held her tongue. Maybe it wakes a few heads up, which would be great, but probably won't be enough.

Edited November 11, 2020 by Morpheus

[sickofallthebollocks]

GO TOTNES in devon!!!!!!
 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/11/totnes-covid-concerns-reflect-uk-wide-rise-in-conspiracy-theories

 

Well done good people of Totnes in south Devon!  Check the one-sided reporting here from the guardian, such as:
'While such views are NOT the norm'
'vaccine MISinformation'
'people in totnes are questioning the mainstream narrative' says MP 'Jacqi Hodgson' a not very nice woman by the sound of her - who was once ''allegedly' an abuser of a donkey she once owned, and got in trouble with the RSPCA over it.

She even goes on to say "one person insisted on giving me a leaflet"

People are questioning the mainstream narrative jacqi?  TOO FUCKING RIGHT THEY ARE YOU FUCKING MORON!!!!
and do you blame them you silly twat?

Also, the guardian reports:
“There are people who think it’s manufactured and there is some big plot, but we have Covid-19 in the area, in the country and in the world. It is causing a lot of illness and mortality for the population,” she added.

and,
“Most people I am in contact with have either got it or had it … or their relatives are in the intensive care unit with it. That is a poignant way of appreciating that this illness is fact and not a hoax.”

OH REALLY????? I smell horseshit!!!

One sided reporting from a so-called liberal media news reporter - the Guardian sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Here it is:  WELL DONE TOTNES!!!!!!

 

Edited November 11, 2020 by sickofallthebollocks
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[Morpheus]

42 minutes ago, Itsa said:

Don't know if anyone remembers this guy.

Reported as the first British person to have caught covid19 and also claimed his cat caught it as well and died.

 

He was found dead in his room at Bangor university on the 25th of October.

 

Apologies if this has already been posted but I only became aware of this today.

Article here:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8922933/Mystery-death-Briton-revealed-Covid-cover-up.html

Tying up loose ends.

[shadowmoon]

I cycled to the next town earlier, holy crap it is so desolate now.

Makes my own town still look prosperous, the shops that are left are locked down but so many are just permanently shut, the bakers gone, the charity shops gone, the cobblers shop gone, the travel agents gone..etc. I wanted a puncture repair kit and even the cycle shop is gone!

 

Absolutely ruined the place with the excuse of virus.

[Morpheus]

3 minutes ago, sickofallthebollocks said:

GO TOTNES in devon!!!!!!
 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/11/totnes-covid-concerns-reflect-uk-wide-rise-in-conspiracy-theories

 

Well done good people of Totnes in south Devon!  Check the one-sided reporting here from the guardian, such as:
'While such views are NOT the norm'
'vaccine MISinformation'
'people in totnes are questioning the mainstream narrative' says MP 'Jacqi Hodgson' a not very nice woman by the sound of her - who was once ''allegedly an abuser of a donkey she once owned, and got in trouble with the RSPCA over it.

She even goes on to say "one person insisted on giving me a leaflet"

People are questioning the mainstream narrative jacqi?  TOO FUCKING RIGHT THEY ARE YOU FUCKING MORON!!!!
and do you blame them you silly twat?

Also, the guardian reports:
“There are people who think it’s manufactured and there is some big plot, but we have Covid-19 in the area, in the country and in the world. It is causing a lot of illness and mortality for the population,” she added.

and,
“Most people I am in contact with have either got it or had it … or their relatives are in the intensive care unit with it. That is a poignant way of appreciating that this illness is fact and not a hoax.”

OH REALLY????? I smell horseshit!!!

One sided reporting from a so-called liberal media news reporter - the Guardian sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Here it is:  WELL DONE TOTNES!!!!!!

 

 

 

 

"Most people I am in contact with have either got it or had it.... Or their relatives are in intensive care unit with it. That is a poignant way of appreciating that this illness is fact and not a hoax"

 

I want names and addresses of these people bitch! Get fucked. Sick of these arseholes. Penance is coming for you fuckers. You'll burn in hell for this shit. Oh I forget, you'd quite enjoy that. 

[sickofallthebollocks]

4 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

"Most people I am in contact with have either got it or had it.... Or their relatives are in intensive care unit with it. That is a poignant way of appreciating that this illness is fact and not a hoax"

 

I want names and addresses of these people bitch! Get fucked. Sick of these arseholes. Penance is coming for you fuckers. You'll burn in hell for this shit. Oh I forget, you'd quite enjoy that. 

(out of likes) love it Morpheus spot on mate. 
names and addresses for these people.........NOW!!!!

sick of unsubstantiated statements and remarks.

COME ON GUARDIAN - GIVE THE INFO TO PROVE... otherwise - you are all liars!

 

and, if you're reading this guardian and other shit so-called 'news' outlets - the whole fucking world is on to you!  
Time to do what you were put on planet earth to do - tell the truth.

 

 

Edited November 11, 2020 by sickofallthebollocks
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[shadowmoon]

5 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

"Most people I am in contact with have either got it or had it.... Or their relatives are in intensive care unit with it. That is a poignant way of appreciating that this illness is fact and not a hoax"

 

I want names and addresses of these people bitch! Get fucked. Sick of these arseholes. Penance is coming for you fuckers. You'll burn in hell for this shit. Oh I forget, you'd quite enjoy that. 

 

I had 'it' in March according to the given symptoms. dry cough, etc

Its not too bad, smoke a joint and I soon felt better  lol.

Mild illness got blown out of proportion into a city destroying hoax by stupid twats in govt and msm.

[Illmatic]

44 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

No end to the lockdown even after a vaccine:

Boris Johnson warns Pfizer jab 'WON'T deliver knock-out blow' needed to end lockdown as 50 rebel Tory MPs say PM must not 'use vaccine as excuse to keep England closed for even longer' and country prepares for 'FOUR-tier system from December 2'

• Fears that Britons could face more confusion when the current lockdown comes to an end on December 2 
• Government is looking again at Tier system and treating regions together rather than cities individually
• New tougher Tier 4 for some regions that struggle to manage infection rates has been mooted for weeks

By James Tapsfield, Political Editor For Mailonline and Danyal Hussain For Mailonline

Published: 02:21, 11 November 2020 | Updated: 14:29, 11 November 2020

Boris Johnson today warned that a vaccine will not deliver a 'knockout blow' to coronavirus as Tories insisted he must not use the prospect of jabs to keep the country in lockdown longer.

At a bad-tempered PMQs session, Mr Johnson again welcomed the news that Pfizer's vaccine had been 90 per cent effective in early trials.

But he gave a stern message to the public that they should not be expecting an early end to restrictions, despite claims it could start being rolled out by Christmas. 

He said the 'best way to get this country back on its feet' was to 'continue on the path that we are, driving the virus down'.

The premier said science had given the country 'two big boxing gloves' via a possible vaccine and mass testing, but added: 'Neither of them is capable of delivering a knock out blow on its own.

'That's why this country needs to continue to work hard to keep discipline and to observe the measures we've put in.'

The pointed comments came amid signs whole regions of England could be kept under brutal restrictions after the blanket lockdown ends on December 2. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8936191/Government-considers-changing-anti-Covid-tier-December-2.html

 

Maybe this will be their downfall in the end, this greed for even greater control. If they just open up with a vaccine mandate or voluntary but with impossible restrictions for those who won't take it I think the public will largely bite.

 

But the vaccine is seen as a panacea now, a golden ticket out of lockdown. If we're told to take it but that we also have to continue the lockdowns I think it'll be a big mistake on their part, a big wake up call to everyone that there's really no way out of this unless we decide as a people we've had enough of it.

Edited November 11, 2020 by Illmatic

[Mr H]

Just watched PM questions. Boris stated his government have spent £150m on fighting the anti vaxxers' message. Unbelievable so outspoken about it.

[Ziggy Sawdust]

21 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

"Most people I am in contact with have either got it or had it.... Or their relatives are in intensive care unit with it. That is a poignant way of appreciating that this illness is fact and not a hoax"

 

I want names and addresses of these people bitch! Get fucked. Sick of these arseholes. Penance is coming for you fuckers. You'll burn in hell for this shit. Oh I forget, you'd quite enjoy that. 

 

Out of likes.

[shadowmoon]

9 minutes ago, Illmatic said:

If we're told to take it but that we also have to continue the lockdowns I think it'll be a big mistake on their part

 

Absolutely so.

"I had the bleeding vaccine wot d'yer mean I still

can't go to the pub?"

[Macnamara]

12 minutes ago, Illmatic said:

Maybe this will be their downfall in the end, this greed for even greater control. If they just open up with a vaccine mandate or voluntary but with impossible restrictions for those who won't take it I think the public will largely bite.

 

But the vaccine is seen as a panacea now, a golden ticket out of lockdown. If we're told to take it but that we also have to continue the lockdowns I think it'll be a big mistake on their part, a big wake up call to everyone that there's really no way out of this unless we decide as a people we've had enough of it.

 

I think they are so sure of their grip in power and so intoxicated on it that they are not really bothered if we know that the vaccine is not the ticket out of lockdown

 

They are essentially telling us that they are going to do everything that 'conspiracy theorists' have been saying they are going to do

 

They are going to inject us with their nanotech

They are going to create a new lockdown gulag society: the 'new normal'

They are going to cast the masses into unemployment and then make them dependent on the state

They are going to make us irrelevant through automation and artificial intelligence and once that happens they really see no point in us remaining around at all

Edited November 11, 2020 by Macnamara

[Macnamara]

4 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

They are going to inject us with their nanotech

 

if you are paying attention they aren't really hiding much at all:

Scientists develop a 'nanoparticle' COVID-19 vaccine that could trigger a 10-times stronger immune response than the reaction seen in survivors and protect against future mutated strains

• Scientists have developed an experimental vaccine that uses nanoparticles, which mimic the structural features of the coronavirus
• The body is trained to recognize the receptors the virus uses to enter and infect human cells, and builds up antibodies
• In mice, the virus produced ten times more neutralizing antibodies than those seen in COVID-19 survivors
• The jab also produced a strong memory cell response, in which the body remembers the invading virus to produce antibodies if infected in the future
• In one monkey, the vaccine bound to different parts of the vaccine's spike protein, which could protect against future mutated strains

By Mary Kekatos Senior Health Reporter For Dailymail.com

Published: 22:06, 2 November 2020 | Updated: 13:30, 3 November 2020

Scientists say they have developed an experimental coronavirus vaccine candidate that is far more potent than others currently being investigated.

In trials conducted in mice, the team from the University of Washington School of Medicine said its vaccine triggered a 10-times stronger immune response to the infection than seen in COVID-19 survivors.

What's more, it also provoked a strong memory cell response, in which the body remembers the invading virus to produce antibodies more quickly if infected.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8906965/Scientists-developed-COVID-19-vaccine-trigger-10-times-stronger-immune-response.html

 

[Macnamara]

8 minutes ago, shadowmoon said:

Absolutely so.

"I had the bleeding vaccine wot d'yer mean I still

can't go to the pub?"

 

by that point its too late though; once they have that tech in you they can control you

 

that's why they are going all in on this one....this jab is their gamechanger

[shadowmoon]

2 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

if you are paying attention they aren't really hiding much at all:

Scientists develop a 'nanoparticle' COVID-19 vaccine that could trigger a 10-times stronger immune response than the reaction seen in survivors and protect against future mutated strains

• Scientists have developed an experimental vaccine that uses nanoparticles, which mimic the structural features of the coronavirus
• The body is trained to recognize the receptors the virus uses to enter and infect human cells, and builds up antibodies
• In mice, the virus produced ten times more neutralizing antibodies than those seen in COVID-19 survivors
• The jab also produced a strong memory cell response, in which the body remembers the invading virus to produce antibodies if infected in the future
• In one monkey, the vaccine bound to different parts of the vaccine's spike protein, which could protect against future mutated strains

By Mary Kekatos Senior Health Reporter For Dailymail.com

Published: 22:06, 2 November 2020 | Updated: 13:30, 3 November 2020

Scientists say they have developed an experimental coronavirus vaccine candidate that is far more potent than others currently being investigated.

In trials conducted in mice, the team from the University of Washington School of Medicine said its vaccine triggered a 10-times stronger immune response to the infection than seen in COVID-19 survivors.

What's more, it also provoked a strong memory cell response, in which the body remembers the invading virus to produce antibodies more quickly if infected.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8906965/Scientists-developed-COVID-19-vaccine-trigger-10-times-stronger-immune-response.html

 

I'd take my chances with the flu again than have any of that

[HAARPING_On]

38 minutes ago, sickofallthebollocks said:

(out of likes) love it Morpheus spot on mate. 
names and addresses for these people.........NOW!!!!

sick of unsubstantiated statements and remarks.

COME ON GUARDIAN - GIVE THE INFO TO PROVE... otherwise - you are all liars!

 

and, if you're reading this guardian and other shit so-called 'news' outlets - the whole fucking world is on to you!  
Time to do what you were put on planet earth to do - tell the truth.

 

 

 

Out of likes... totally agree...  Useless rag peddling absolute LIES.

[Macnamara]

6 minutes ago, shadowmoon said:

I'd take my chances with the flu again than have any of that

 

yes and if we lived in a free society and if this whole thing was really about a new flu-strain and if the vaccines actually gave people protection against that new flu-strain then the government should have no problem with you doing that

 

The problem is that they haven't proven the existence of a new flu-strain, they haven't proven their vaccine protects against that and you don't live in a free society

 

So what will happen after this first tranche of injections is that they will change their policies to then seek to inject a further tranche of people and so on and so on

 

They don't give a crap about your individual liberties and in fact the concept of individual freedoms is a complete anathema to their planned for centralised, top down technocratic society

 

Which is why at some point they will try and get that needle into you

[shadowmoon]

Just now, Macnamara said:

The problem is that they haven't proven the existence of a new flu-strain, they haven't proven their vaccine protects against that and you don't live in a free society

 

They don't have to, just saying it is real made it so for most people.

People don't have the inclination to find stuff out.