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Aldous Huxley

“There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them, but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. And this seems to be the final revolution” - Aldous Huxley

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11 minutes ago, FrankVitali said:

 

 

I'd like to modestly admit that I am fairly intellectual, and to build these hospitals just to sit empty defies sense.

 

No, they have built them for a purpose for sure. Daft as Johnson et al. may seem. They are not. Make no mistake, the government and other powers that be, eg. Rothschild etc will already have their next moves planned well in advance.  That is the point I am making;  I think a more serious pathogen will be released. I think this is all a bit of a real life simulation tbh.

 

An alternative is to put the un-vaccinated folks there. edit: ( contradicting myself a bit here ). Maybe that should read "those that do not comply".

 

Often I have thought, if they want to reduce the population, why wouldn't you just launch a few nukes around the world.

 

I am not all sure if this is about depopulation, but rather enslavement.

 

Queen ants don't kill the worker ants.  lol Well so long as they don't piss off the queen ant :)

 

Ok, so I should probably declare that I am definitely not an intellectual, so please bare with me.

 

Because I didn't quite manage to follow you.

 

You say it maybe about population control and that there maybe a more dangerous virus being released in the future and that is why they built the extra hospitals.

 

But if the intention is to kill people, then why would they want to at the same time -prepare in advance to save them? (by having hospital beds ready for them?)

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1 minute ago, FrankVitali said:

Aldous Huxley

“There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them, but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. And this seems to be the final revolution” - Aldous Huxley

There will always be subversion though.

That's what they forget.

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6 minutes ago, Mr H said:

 

Ok, so I should probably declare that I am definitely not an intellectual, so please bare with me.

 

Because I didn't quite manage to follow you.

 

You say it maybe about population control and that there maybe a more dangerous virus being released in the future and that is why they built the extra hospitals.

 

But if the intention is to kill people, then why would they want to at the same time -prepare in advance to save them? (by having hospital beds ready for them?)

 

 

No problem.  But , yes that is the question @Mr H !

 

Why exactly. That I cannot answer. Perhaps they want to cull those who are able to think for themselves. Governments would be happier with an underling population that follows and takes orders. Those who do not, might have a special place to go to.

 

This real life simulation might just be to get "their ducks in a row", if you know the saying?  e.g. see how people respond. How easy is it for the government to get people to do what they want ?

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7 minutes ago, FrankVitali said:

 

 

No problem.  But , yes that is the question @Mr H !

 

Why exactly. That I cannot answer. Perhaps they want to cull those who are able to think for themselves. Governments would be happier with an underling population that follows and takes orders. Those who do not, might have a special place to go to.

 

This real life simulation might just be to get "their ducks in a row", if you know the saying?  e.g. see how people respond. How easy is it for the government to get people to do what they want ?

 

Well it could be explained by the "government" i.e. Boris etc actually thinking that there would be hundreds of thousands of deaths, saw china build loads of hospitals and followed suit. Personally I find this a more plausible explanation for the additional hospitals being built - especially if we factor in that Boris was very ill with "the virus" and that he believes anything that his two chief scientific advisors tell him.

 

Whether he has been influenced behind the scenes by other people with other intentions is also a possibility.

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34 minutes ago, MR-E said:

good to hear that..

I was starting to think something was wrong with me -I find it hard when entering shops now, knowing im going to say something !! Its becoming harder to manage my episodes  & its getting worse.........

 

So decided would speak with the doctor explained the problem asked him

when is this pandemic going to go away?   his reply   

you'll need to ask the politicians .....

careful now.

 

You know it only takes one person to section you now don't you?

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7 minutes ago, FrankVitali said:

 

 

No problem.  But , yes that is the question @Mr H !

 

Why exactly. That I cannot answer. Perhaps they want to cull those who are able to think for themselves. Governments would be happier with an underling population that follows and takes orders. Those who do not, might have a special place to go to.

 

This real life simulation might just be to get "their ducks in a row", if you know the saying?  e.g. see how people response ?

 

Nothing would give them greater pleasure than to cull the likes of us, after all, we are getting in the way of their plan. Even the sheep wouldn't mind that, they would clap and cheer as we were taken away to the concentration camps to be executed. The slaves and the enslavers all lived happily ever after. The end. 

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10 minutes ago, Mikhail Liebestein said:

 

And Australia with its $66,600 fine:

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3258/rr-17

 

 

 

If this is correct, then it takes a massive dump on the Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights (Article 6 – Consent), which reads, "Any preventive, diagnostic and therapeutic medical intervention is only to be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned, based on adequate information. The consent should, where appropriate, be express and may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without disadvantage or prejudice" [ http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=31058&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html ].

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3 minutes ago, Mr H said:

 

Well it could be explained by the "government" i.e. Boris etc actually thinking that there would be hundreds of thousands of deaths, saw china build loads of hospitals and followed suit. Personally I find this a more plausible explanation for the additional hospitals being built - especially if we factor in that Boris was very ill with "the virus" and that he believes anything that his two chief scientific advisors tell him.

 

Whether he has been influenced behind the scenes by other people with other intentions is also a possibility.

 

Yeah, the trouble is, I am a lot more sceptical and cynical. I am taking the approach that Johnson knew from the get go that this was all a load of bollox.

 

So on that assumption. If I were Johnson, and I knew this was a planned farce. Why would I build all these hospitals?

 

Keeping in mind its a fact that most of the existing hospitals country-wide are actually emptier than ever; as is the covid testing sites.

 

 

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1 minute ago, wingwang said:

 

That's a real 'this shit just got real' moment right there for anyone sitting on the sidelines...

 

Compulsory-Vaccine.png

Hopefully there are still enough people awake to kick this vaccination shit into the toilet where it belongs.

 

It's been done before. Right from the earliest days of vaccination (a money making scheme from the outset) people have resisted en-mass. We just have to hope that there's enough fire in bellies to do this.

 

For those ready to fight, know this: There is a rich, long and intense heritage of resistance to this pseudo-scientific, masonic weapon. We have resisted for as long as they have persisted and we have had many victories.

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1 hour ago, FrankVitali said:

 

 

I'd like to modestly admit that I am fairly intellectual, and to build these hospitals just to sit empty defies sense.

 

No, they have built them for a purpose for sure. Daft as Johnson et al. may seem. They are not. Make no mistake, the government and other powers that be, eg. Rothschild etc will already have their next moves planned well in advance.  That is the point I am making;  I think a more serious pathogen will be released. I think this is all a bit of a real life simulation tbh.

 

An alternative is to put the un-vaccinated folks there. edit: ( contradicting myself a bit here ). Maybe that should read "those that do not comply".

 

Often I have thought, if they want to reduce the population, why wouldn't you just launch a few nukes around the world.

 

I am not all sure if this is about depopulation, but rather enslavement.

 

Queen ants don't kill the worker ants.  lol Well so long as they don't piss off the queen ant :)

I've been thinking this lately too. This is all to lull us into a false, perverted sense of security. More of the mainstream are picking up on the stats and people like Peter Hitchens and Toby Young are pushing the MSM version of the anti lockdown narrative here in the UK. There must be millions of people here that are wondering why they don't know anyone who's had 'the virus'. I thinks it's not beyond the realms of possibility that a real pathogen could be released in early 2021. I think the Deagel population forecast for 2025 is beginning to hold more weight too. Here is an article from 2018 which talks about that and Mr Gates plan to try and develope a 'universal' flu vaccine and begin human trials in 2021.

http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/deagel-makes-mysterious-changes-to-2025-population-forecast-for-america-as-bill-gates-launches-grand-challenge-the-holy-grail-of-influenza-research-and-bridging-the-valley

This, coupled with the predictive programming efforts of the movie Songbird, mentioned earlier in the thread, lead me to think that this shit is going to get really ugly. I've been thinking a lot lately, too much probably, but I believe that 'they' must have now successfully infiltrated nearly every government in the world so deeply that they feel emboldened to stop with the totalitarian tiptoe and get in with the final sprint. It makes me feel sad, for my kids, for the people who don't know what's coming and for everyone in here too. I'm also angry at what has been taken from us. Tonight I've been watching this.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=IRPMleRa-cA

It's nothing related to this, just someone walking around Quebec City at Christmas time in the snow. It's evening and there are people enjoying the snow and the cafes and shops. There won't be any of that this year. 'They' have taken it from us. They hate us and they will stop at nothing to consolidate their power. 

 

 

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47 minutes ago, Tamlinn said:

Another reason not to take the vaccine: an increase in HIV in men.

 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32156-5/fulltext

 

Hmm.. Judy Mikovits makes an HIV connection in the Plandemic documentary,  www.plandemicseries.com 🤔  Although not sure from memory if she is referring to vaccine or the actual coronavirus?

 

Also this from some time back:

"Some experts initially suspected that the Wuhan coronavirus was a manmade disease, modified to be more lethal and virulent through weaponized HIV and Ebola insertions. But now, most scientists believe the virus is naturally-occurring, and those bizarre similarities with HIV and Ebola are just chance mutations."

 

https://www.ccn.com/proof-that-coronavirus-came-from-a-chinese-lab-may-trigger-a-stock-market-crash/

 

Personally I don't agree with the above statement about naturally occurring. Heck I am not sure if the virus even exists, but just passing it on..

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19 minutes ago, DarianF said:

 

If this is correct, then it takes a massive dump on the Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights (Article 6 – Consent), which reads, "Any preventive, diagnostic and therapeutic medical intervention is only to be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned, based on adequate information. The consent should, where appropriate, be express and may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without disadvantage or prejudice" [ http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=31058&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html ].

 

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1 hour ago, Given To Fly said:
compulsory vaccinations ....
 

 

Introduction from your PDF

 


Written  evidence  from  Dr  Lisa  Forsberg*,  Dr  Isra  Black**,  Dr  Thomas  Douglas*, Dr  Jonathan  Pugh*  (COV0220) 

 

Compulsory  vaccination  for  Covid-19  and  human  rights  law 5 

 

Introduction  and  summary

 

We  are  academics  working  in  the  areas  of  philosophy  and  law,  with  specialisations  in, inter  alia,  moral  and  political  philosophy,  biomedical  ethics,  health  law,  and  human rights  law. Our  submission  pertains  to  compulsory  Covid-19  vaccination:1  a  requirement  on 10 individuals  to  undergo  vaccination  as  a  condition  of  release  from  pandemic-related restrictions  on  liberty,  including  on  movement  and  association.2 Our  evidence  is  forward-looking.  We  expect  that  a  Covid-19  vaccine  will  become available  in  sufficient  quantity  to  enable  population-wide  immunisation.3  At  that  stage, the  Government  will  need  to  consider  the  means  of  delivery,  including  whether  it  is 15 necessary  to  legislate  for  compulsory  vaccination.  We  consider  the  human  rights  law dimensions  of  compulsory  vaccination  by  reference  to  the  Human  Rights  Act  1998  and the  European  Convention  on  Human  Rights.  As  such,  our  submission  primarily addresses  a  live  issue  the  second  question  in  the  Committee’s  call  for  evidence: What  will  the  impact  of  specific  measures  taken  by  Government  to  address  the 20 25 30 Covid-19  pandemic  be  on  human  rights  in  the  UK? Our  evidence  takes  the  following  form: 1. A discussion  of  the  reasons  why  compulsory  vaccination  may  need  to  be  considered; 2. An  overview  of  relevant  legal  provisions; 3. An  examination  of  the  human  rights  law  compliance  of  compulsory  vaccination. Our  analysis  under  3  establishes  two  parity  arguments: a. If  Covid-19  ‘lockdown’  measures  are  compatible  with  human  rights  law,  then  it  is arguable  that  compulsory  vaccination  is  too  (lockdown  parity  argument); b. If  compulsory  medical  treatment  under  mental  health  law  for  personal  and  public protection  purposes  is  compatible  with  human  rights  law,  then  it  is  arguable  that compulsory  vaccination  is  too  (mental  health  parity  argument). *University  of  Oxford;  **  University  of  York. 1We note  that  there  is  disagreement  about  what  compulsion  means  and  as  to  whether  different  kinds  of non-voluntary  vaccination  schemes  are  in  fact  compulsory  schemes.  This  is  in  part  a  theoretical disagreement,  and  in  part  a  practical  one  to  do  with  the  nature  of  state  sanctions  that  back  any  scheme. See  Emma  Cave,  ‘Voluntary  vaccination:  the  pandemic  effect’  (2017)  37(2)  LS  279-304.  In  this submission,  we  take  a  coarse-grained  or  bird’s  eye  view  of  the  issue,  that  is,  we  will  not  engage  here  with the  detail  of  specific  policy  schema  for  compulsory  vaccination. 2Much  of  our  argument  is  applicable,  mutatis  mutandis,  to  Covid-19  prophylactic  treatment.  For  clarity and  brevity,  we  focus  on  vaccination. 3The  UK Government  has  purchased  190m  doses  of  three  vaccine  candidates,  either  on  risk  or  in principle:  Sarah  Bosely,  ‘UK  secures  deals  for  90m  doses  of  coronavirus  vaccine’  The  Guardian  (20  July 2020) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/20/uk-deals-doses-coronavirus-vaccine 20/07/20.


Our  chief  conclusion  is  that,  as  and  when  a  vaccine  becomes  available  at  scale,  the Government  should  give  serious  consideration  to  compulsory  immunisation  as  a 35 means  of  reducing  the  impacts  of  Covid-19.  There  is  an  arguable  case  for  the compatibility  of  compulsory  vaccination  with  human  rights  law. 1.  Vaccine  hesitancy A  Covid-19  vaccine  promises  to  be  the  best  means  to  mitigate  the  impacts  of  the pandemic  on  individuals  and  society.  Yet  sufficient  voluntary  uptake  of  a  vaccine 40 cannot  be  guaranteed.4  Voluntary  vaccine  uptake  may  be  limited  by  ‘vaccine  hesitancy’, which  the  World  Health  Organization  (WHO)  describes  as  ‘the  reluctance  or  refusal  to vaccinate  despite  the  availability  of  vaccines’.5  Vaccine  hesitancy  in  respect  of  Covid19  may  arise  because  of  the  influence  of  anti-vaccination  movements,  the  uneven demographic  distribution  of  Covid-19  morbidity  and  mortality  risks,6  or  the  mistaken 45 belief  that  Covid-19  immunity  has  already  been  acquired. Should  a  Covid-19  vaccine  become  available  at  scale,  we  cannot  expect  sufficient voluntary  uptake.  It  is  necessary  for  the  Government  to  consider  a  policy  of compulsory  vaccination,  with  appropriate  exceptions.7  Such  a  policy  requires  an assessment  of  its  impact  on  human  rights

 

 

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Introduction from your PDF

 


Written  evidence  from  Dr  Lisa  Forsberg*,  Dr  Isra  Black**,  Dr  Thomas  Douglas*, Dr  Jonathan  Pugh*  (COV0220) 

 

Compulsory  vaccination  for  Covid-19  and  human  rights  law 5 

 

Introduction  and  summary

 

We  are  academics  working  in  the  areas  of  philosophy  and  law,  with  specialisations  in, inter  alia,  moral  and  political  philosophy,  biomedical  ethics,  health  law,  and  human rights  law. Our  submission  pertains  to  compulsory  Covid-19  vaccination:1  a  requirement  on 10 individuals  to  undergo  vaccination  as  a  condition  of  release  from  pandemic-related restrictions  on  liberty,  including  on  movement  and  association.2 Our  evidence  is  forward-looking.  We  expect  that  a  Covid-19  vaccine  will  become available  in  sufficient  quantity  to  enable  population-wide  immunisation.3  At  that  stage, the  Government  will  need  to  consider  the  means  of  delivery,  including  whether  it  is 15 necessary  to  legislate  for  compulsory  vaccination.  We  consider  the  human  rights  law dimensions  of  compulsory  vaccination  by  reference  to  the  Human  Rights  Act  1998  and the  European  Convention  on  Human  Rights.  As  such,  our  submission  primarily addresses  a  live  issue  the  second  question  in  the  Committee’s  call  for  evidence: What  will  the  impact  of  specific  measures  taken  by  Government  to  address  the 20 25 30 Covid-19  pandemic  be  on  human  rights  in  the  UK? Our  evidence  takes  the  following  form: 1. A discussion  of  the  reasons  why  compulsory  vaccination  may  need  to  be  considered; 2. An  overview  of  relevant  legal  provisions; 3. An  examination  of  the  human  rights  law  compliance  of  compulsory  vaccination. Our  analysis  under  3  establishes  two  parity  arguments: a. If  Covid-19  ‘lockdown’  measures  are  compatible  with  human  rights  law,  then  it  is arguable  that  compulsory  vaccination  is  too  (lockdown  parity  argument); b. If  compulsory  medical  treatment  under  mental  health  law  for  personal  and  public protection  purposes  is  compatible  with  human  rights  law,  then  it  is  arguable  that compulsory  vaccination  is  too  (mental  health  parity  argument). *University  of  Oxford;  **  University  of  York. 1We note  that  there  is  disagreement  about  what  compulsion  means  and  as  to  whether  different  kinds  of non-voluntary  vaccination  schemes  are  in  fact  compulsory  schemes.  This  is  in  part  a  theoretical disagreement,  and  in  part  a  practical  one  to  do  with  the  nature  of  state  sanctions  that  back  any  scheme. See  Emma  Cave,  ‘Voluntary  vaccination:  the  pandemic  effect’  (2017)  37(2)  LS  279-304.  In  this submission,  we  take  a  coarse-grained  or  bird’s  eye  view  of  the  issue,  that  is,  we  will  not  engage  here  with the  detail  of  specific  policy  schema  for  compulsory  vaccination. 2Much  of  our  argument  is  applicable,  mutatis  mutandis,  to  Covid-19  prophylactic  treatment.  For  clarity and  brevity,  we  focus  on  vaccination. 3The  UK Government  has  purchased  190m  doses  of  three  vaccine  candidates,  either  on  risk  or  in principle:  Sarah  Bosely,  ‘UK  secures  deals  for  90m  doses  of  coronavirus  vaccine’  The  Guardian  (20  July 2020) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/20/uk-deals-doses-coronavirus-vaccine 20/07/20.


Our  chief  conclusion  is  that,  as  and  when  a  vaccine  becomes  available  at  scale,  the Government  should  give  serious  consideration  to  compulsory  immunisation  as  a 35 means  of  reducing  the  impacts  of  Covid-19.  There  is  an  arguable  case  for  the compatibility  of  compulsory  vaccination  with  human  rights  law. 1.  Vaccine  hesitancy A  Covid-19  vaccine  promises  to  be  the  best  means  to  mitigate  the  impacts  of  the pandemic  on  individuals  and  society.  Yet  sufficient  voluntary  uptake  of  a  vaccine 40 cannot  be  guaranteed.4  Voluntary  vaccine  uptake  may  be  limited  by  ‘vaccine  hesitancy’, which  the  World  Health  Organization  (WHO)  describes  as  ‘the  reluctance  or  refusal  to vaccinate  despite  the  availability  of  vaccines’.5  Vaccine  hesitancy  in  respect  of  Covid19  may  arise  because  of  the  influence  of  anti-vaccination  movements,  the  uneven demographic  distribution  of  Covid-19  morbidity  and  mortality  risks,6  or  the  mistaken 45 belief  that  Covid-19  immunity  has  already  been  acquired. Should  a  Covid-19  vaccine  become  available  at  scale,  we  cannot  expect  sufficient voluntary  uptake.  It  is  necessary  for  the  Government  to  consider  a  policy  of compulsory  vaccination,  with  appropriate  exceptions.7  Such  a  policy  requires  an assessment  of  its  impact  on  human  rights

 

 

We aren't going to beat this shit by accepting that, basically, its the TPTB that give us our human rights through their legal system. In my opinion it is up to the individual to decide what shite they put in their body. Not some fucking lawyer or government. If the vaccine is made mandatory its a clear sign that they believe they own you. If you take it without a fight you are confirming and acknowledging the fact that THEY OWN YOU.

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23 minutes ago, Nobby Noboddy said:

Hopefully there are still enough people awake to kick this vaccination shit into the toilet where it belongs.

 

It's been done before. Right from the earliest days of vaccination (a money making scheme from the outset) people have resisted en-mass. We just have to hope that there's enough fire in bellies to do this.

 

For those ready to fight, know this: There is a rich, long and intense heritage of resistance to this pseudo-scientific, masonic weapon. We have resisted for as long as they have persisted and we have had many victories.

I hope the same as you. But realistically speaking. The current strategy is to lockdown whenever the R rate goes too high - until a vaccine comes.

 

This means realistically, we will be locked down at least intermittently until then (they're suggesting spring).

 

So that would have meant over 12 months of lock down - with a lot of that in proper lockdown - following a dark winter. I can't see many people resisting a way out after such torment. I am sad to say.

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