JJ73 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, SoundOfSilence said: Where/how did you hear that she had been given all three jabs? I find that difficult to believe. Even for the NHS. But stranger things have happened. Do you have the funds for a lawyer? She hasn't been given any yet. They have to wait 28 days before she takes her first one because she has been diagnosed with Covid. They will give her the first one and then she will be discharged to have the next one and the booster in intervals. I don't have the funds for a lawyer. Edited January 13, 2022 by JJ73 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobb Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 29 minutes ago, JJ73 said: I haven't. I will ask to speak to someone more senior tomorrow. I'm completely out of my depth here. What should I be asking please? You have already your own answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaleP Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 3 hours ago, Basket Case said: 1 of 2 things.. 1) He's part of the planned theatre to stir shit up and cause division, or 2) He really is against the bullshit. If he really is against the bullshit, then best of luck to him. If more high level celebrities were the same, things might be a lot different now. My money is on - 1) part of the theatre. He will either be deported as a 'lesson' to everyone or will contract Convid and bail out of the tournament. BC If No.2, he's a rarity imo. Which footballers has stood up like him? They are all falling down clutching their chest..... and even worse, sheep spectators have no clue why. Time will tell which. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gone Fishing... Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 26 minutes ago, SoundOfSilence said: Where/how did you hear that she had been given all three jabs? Not in one day.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numnuts Posted January 13, 2022 Author Share Posted January 13, 2022 (edited) On 1/12/2022 at 5:23 AM, Seeker said: It is nice to see, but I don’t know if anything will change from it. Am more curious about Austria as they had until feb to get it isn’t it? Then jail or a fine they threatened. Will see if it happens I don't have a source for the following, other than 'someone told me so'. However, I have been informed, reliably in my opinion, that they did back down somewhat in Greece. They originally threatened to fine everyone over 60, who didn't get vaccinated, 100 euros per month. This was supposed to start next week. Apparently, this will now only apply to those earning over 1,000 euros per month. Pensioners, on the breadline in Greece, don't even get half that much. I presume that there will still be a legal ruling on whether the revised proposal itself is acceptable, which of course it isn't. On 1/12/2022 at 10:37 AM, Covidiot said: Vaxx passes to be extended in Scotland by decree of Kim Jong Sturgeon and definition of "fully vaxxed" for the purposes of said passes now include a booster shot PMSL All of this for a fucking cold. Scotland has fallen. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/covid-latest-news-booster-vaccine-nhs-rules-restrictions-omicron1/ Given the amount of cross border travel, between Wales, Scotland and England, then it will be untenable for Scotland and Wales to retain draconian restrictions, while England hasn't even introduced them. On 1/12/2022 at 2:09 PM, Looney tune said: So Boris Johnson is finally caught out partying instead of being locked down. Does anyone think the sheep will consider he was doing it because covid was bull or are they just gonna go he broke the rules why my loved one blah blah blah. The mass media never seem to question why those who sold us the narrative the hardest, such as Hancock and Ferguson, flouted the rules. In May 2020, on live TV, Hancock firmly stated that folks shouldn't visit the countryside, in case they 'touched something that someone else touched'. Say, like a stile or a tree. As for Ferguson, he has touted many worst case scenarios. Their subsequent actions suggest that they didn't fear any danger in the slightest. It is also strange, how the mass media vultures didn't feast on them much at all. With Ferguson, it is like it never happened. On 1/12/2022 at 6:31 PM, Covidiot said: England will go the same way. While everyone is distracted by parties and calls for bojo to go the plan B restrictions due to expire will be renewed and most likely extended without anyone taking notice. While everyone was distracted, BBC 'News At Ten' gave a quick, 10 second mention, about the 'VIP lane' Covid contracts being declared unlawful. Insane amounts of money were involved. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59968037 'Covid: Government's PPE 'VIP lane' unlawful, court rules.' On 1/12/2022 at 7:19 PM, Shy Talk said: Regarding the BYOB party at Downing St. Someone may have already touched on this because it's so glaring. This soiree (there will have been more than one) took place when 'Covid' was reportedly at its deadliest. Forget the fact the MSM are focused on the one rule for them side of it - a clear distraction. More pertinent is how many of the party-goers became ill, let alone died giving it large in the middle of the maelstrom of a deadly virus? None. What's more, this gathering was mere days after Boris was reportedly on his deathbed with the thing. If that doesn't make you question what's going on, nothing will. BoJo was released from hospital on 12th April, some 38 days before the alleged 'party'. Most pertinent, is how none of the attendees feared any virus. Since this whole scam began, out of all of those selling us Covid, I don't think I have ever noticed genuine fear in any of them. Not one and not once. Edited January 13, 2022 by numnuts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ73 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 23 minutes ago, RobSS said: You need to know exactly what your rights are and the rights of your mother. There's a website with information about NHS patients' rights, which is a start: https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/health/nhs-healthcare/nhs-patients-rights/ It may also be worth trying to find out about the NHS Trust that the hospital belongs to. They should also have information about patient rights on their website. For example, if you lived in Bristol, you'd find this: https://www.nbt.nhs.uk/patients-carers/coming-hospital/rights-responsibilities So find out your local NHS Trust. My local trust is https://www.nhs.uk/Services/Trusts/Overview/DefaultView.aspx?id=1249 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoundOfSilence Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, JJ73 said: She hasn't been given any yet. They have to wait 28 days before she takes her first one because she has been diagnosed with Covid. They will give her the first one and then she will be discharged to have the next one and the booster in intervals. I don't have the funds for a lawyer. Do you think that your mother would sign a lasting power of attorney giving you the authority over consent to any medical procedure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ73 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 1 minute ago, SoundOfSilence said: Do you think that your mother would sign a lasting power of attorney giving you the authority over consent to any medical procedure? Before she went in I would have said YES but hearing her bigging up the jabs today, less than 24 hours after she went in, I can't say. I think they are definitely getting to her because of her use of the word 'stupid' to denote my wish to remain unvaccinated when up until yesterday she too had not been jabbed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaleP Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 1 hour ago, JJ73 said: I am in a very bad way. My mother has been admitted into hospital. Just after 5pm yesterday evening she left here. She told the paramedics she did not want the Covid jab and they told her they would respect her wishes. I phoned the hospital at 8.30pm and asked about the status of my mother, to be told by a doctor that upon admittance she had tested positive for Covid and that "after a long chat with your mum, she has agreed to have all 3 jabs." I was horrified. We have gone this far without them. There is no way she would agree to that. He then said to me that the diarrhoea she was having is a symptom of Covid. I told him that the diarrhoea was the direct result of the antibiotics which had been prescribed 3 days earlier for her water infection. He ignored this. I asked if she was going to be administered midazolam or remdesvir and he seemed shocked at this and replied that they had considered both but likely wouldn't be given this to her at that stage but that she was on oxygen. She was breathing just fine when she left our house. They've administered 3 while you are not there. I wouldn't trust them. You said you can't visit her.... can't you sneak in somehow? Bring her some bio-yoghurt if she can eat to restore her flora. 1 hour ago, JJ73 said: I called again this morning to be told that she was sitting up, eating, drinking and that I could speak to her if I wanted to which I did. The change in my mother was shocking. She has clearly been got to because she kept mentioning that there was no issues with her not having had the jabs and that no one judged her and then she told me that I was "stupid" for not having had the jabs and that I am to have them or else I am to look for somewhere else to live when she comes out of hospital because I would be "putting her at risk." It was like listening to a Covid vaccine infomercial. I would be the one at risk surely for not having taking the jabs? Anyway, this evening I spoke with another doctor who told me that although my mother is now off the oxygen and back on air that she could 'reach a nadir at around the 5-7 day mark' and it could lead to multiple organ failure and I need to give him permission not to resuscitate her should that happen. That I am to think this over and he wants my wishes made known in the next 24 hours. He said that her mortality rate is between 10-30% and that I have to hope for the best but prepare for the worst. It's every nightmare I have ever had rolled into one. I think they are going to ease her out. I don't think she is leaving there. Because of her Covid status, they are not accepting any visitors for her. She's a sitting duck. What are my options legally please because I don't like what is happening? I get that feeling too. Without them, she would be fine though. Print out a fake positive result and visit her? I don't know how much you can fight legally...can't think at this minute but if I were you, go and see the doc, get his name and make a note of the conversation and tell him that too. Show him the print out of this. It could be that they are still using this brand of PCR test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoundOfSilence Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 13 minutes ago, JJ73 said: She hasn't been given any yet. They have to wait 28 days before she takes her first one because she has been diagnosed with Covid. They will give her the first one and then she will be discharged to have the next one and the booster in intervals. I don't have the funds for a lawyer. Just to add. You may be able to convince her that now she has natural immunity it is better than any of the jabs which will wear off over time. Take articles with you that she will find persuasive. You know her best but I would push it on the basis that natural immunity is best rather than debating the clot shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaleP Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 1 hour ago, SoundOfSilence said: Usually at the time someone writes a will in favor of a relative they will also grant a power of attorney enabling that relative to make medical decisions. But not always. Obviously if you had a legal right to make her medical decisions you would be in a better position. If she is still deemed mentally competent to make her own decisions that makes it more difficult too. I'll have a think about it. Surely, JJ could write a letter and hand it to one of the nurses to give it to her? And she can post the signed form back to you for the guardianship? I feel like JJ needs to act quickly before they kill her. OR, you could tell the doc to release her so that you can take her to stay in a private hospital. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, JJ73 said: My local trust is https://www.nhs.uk/Services/Trusts/Overview/DefaultView.aspx?id=1249 Here's the page for Berkshire West: https://www.berkshirewestccg.nhs.uk/contact-us/patient-advice-and-liaison-team/ If you're not in the west of the county, you could still ring them and I'm sure they can help you with the right number to ring. Another number you can also try: The Patents Association helpline: 0800 345 7115 https://www.patients-association.org.uk/helpline So you have lots of different avenues now to try to get information. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoundOfSilence Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, DaleP said: Surely, JJ could write a letter and hand it to one of the nurses to give it to her? And she can post the signed form back to you for the guardianship? I feel like JJ needs to act quickly before they kill her. OR, you could tell the doc to release her so that you can take her to stay in a private hospital. If it is a power of attorney there are witnessing requirements. I think it needs to be a solicitor. But would need to check. Plus she is going to have to agree with it so JJ will need to discuss with her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobb Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 13 minutes ago, JJ73 said: Before she went in I would have said YES but hearing her bigging up the jabs today, less than 24 hours after she went in, I can't say. I think they are definitely getting to her because of her use of the word 'stupid' to denote my wish to remain unvaccinated when up until yesterday she too had not been jabbed. The best thing you can do is take notes of the sequence of events that lead to your mother's death and then share that on these message boards, other than that you either grow up and do what's right and accept the consequences of individual responsibility or you do not, it is that simple, no one here can do that for you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ73 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 13 minutes ago, DaleP said: They've administered 3 while you are not there. I wouldn't trust them. They haven't administered any. They can't give her any for 28 days because she has been diagnosed with Covid. She has agreed to have all 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 22 minutes ago, JJ73 said: My local trust is https://www.nhs.uk/Services/Trusts/Overview/DefaultView.aspx?id=1249 One last contact... the Patient Advice and Liaison Service (PALS) for the Royal Berkshire Hospital, where your mum is, and you can phone out of hours, anytime tonight: 0118 322 5111 https://www.royalberkshire.nhs.uk/about-us/contact-us/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 5 hours ago, Morpheus said: If there were any flies on you bud they'd be paying fuckin rent! Don’t know if it was put up as a parody, just looked and thought it was newt to be serious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 3 hours ago, greatdayforfreedom said: It was very well done, I thought it was real. Yeah i showed it to my lady who then reminded me what a thick twat I was. Should of kept quiet! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ73 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, RobSS said: One last contact... the Patient Advice and Liaison Service (PALS) for the Royal Berkshire Hospital, where your mum is, and you can phone out of hours, anytime tonight: 0118 322 5111 https://www.royalberkshire.nhs.uk/about-us/contact-us/ Thank you Rob. I appreciate it. Edited January 13, 2022 by JJ73 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoundOfSilence Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 19 minutes ago, JJ73 said: Before she went in I would have said YES but hearing her bigging up the jabs today, less than 24 hours after she went in, I can't say. I think they are definitely getting to her because of her use of the word 'stupid' to denote my wish to remain unvaccinated when up until yesterday she too had not been jabbed. Obviously you know your mother better than any of us. So this is just a suggestion. It is usually helpful to break problems down into different steps. i.e., 1. Get her out of the hospital. 2. Disabuse her of the clot shot etc. So I don't think it is worthwhile getting into a debate over the jab while she is in hospital still. Particularly as anything you say is going to be undermined by hospital staff while you're not around. Perhaps you can say that the important thing is to get her out of hospital and then you and her can deal with the clot shot. She can always return if she wants to take etc. But she shouldn't wait 28 days in the hospital. She shouldn't be under any stress so perhaps it would be better if you dealt with the hospital on her behalf. If she gives you a lasting power of attorney then you can deal with getting her out of the hospital etc. If she brings up the clot shot you can brush it off. It's not due for 28 days and she can always come back for it. But in the meantime we need to deal with ... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Human10 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tunique said: Hulk Hogan has spoken https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.marca .com/en/more-sports/2022/01/13/61e03ee046163f68818b45d5.html I wonder how many days till he will be saying in ICU "I wish I could take the elixir" and the nurse "I'm sorry it's too late". Edited January 13, 2022 by Human10 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoundOfSilence Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 (edited) Roberts and Kavanaugh Side with Lefties, Allow Healthcare Worker Vax Mandate to Stand (thegatewaypundit.com) “After all, ensuring that providers take steps to avoid transmitting a dangerous virus to their patients is consistent with the fundamental principle of the medical profession: first, do no harm,” the majority opinion read. But do no harm is not the same as prevent harm at any cost. Though the average judge isn't smart enough to figure that one out. Edited January 13, 2022 by SoundOfSilence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Human10 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 1 hour ago, SoundOfSilence said: Researchers at Cardiff University were surprised to find that both men and women were judged to look better with a face covering obscuring the lower half of their faces. Really? Apparently the model's name is Maria Shatalova. Never heard of her. They probably conducted this study on this horse. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SoundOfSilence Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Human10 said: They probably conducted this study on this horse. In mandating the burka perhaps Islam was really on to something. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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