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4 hours ago, MR-E said:

Interesting thanks for the info.

 I remain open minded on the common law/freeman approach as some very valid points are raised however I do think if used a great understanding is needed of the complexity's & pitfalls to stand any chance or you will def get burned.

some interesting points raised in vid regarding business owner having complied by law  by carrying out  full mask risk assessment of the premises & threat to staff in not wearing a mask & stating no factual conclusive evidence he found in its benefit so he deemed it no risk.

 

 

I also remain open on the strawman or freeman approach. I think the approach has to be perfected and very few have figured it out. Also,  courts are versed in deflection and the police will just be heavy handed...because they can...not because they`re right.

 

I love that the guy in the video refused to be intimidated...although he stuttered a bit... he did a good job.

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7 hours ago, Bombadil said:

Just a note on Florence police fight in video. A friend of my lady who lives there has translated what was not clearly heard. The one in charge stopped the other police from attacking the public. 

 

I saw another video and situation, I think it was in Florence as well, of a supervisor telling and pushing back 3 or 4 Polizia plods who wanted to advance on protestors.

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1. First city-wide mass-testing trial

Everyone living and working in Liverpool will be offered regular coronavirus testing from the end of this week. The armed forces will help carry out the pilot scheme. Liverpool has one of the highest Covid-19 death rates in England, and doctors at the city's intensive care units have told the BBC they're struggling to cope. Despite widespread optimism, the BBC's James Gallagher says there are questions about mass testing. False positives could be a problem, as could individual behaviour - can authorities do better at persuading people who do test positive to isolate?

 

No shit, Sherlock!

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54786836

 

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8 minutes ago, wingwang said:

1. First city-wide mass-testing trial

Everyone living and working in Liverpool will be offered regular coronavirus testing from the end of this week. The armed forces will help carry out the pilot scheme. Liverpool has one of the highest Covid-19 death rates in England, and doctors at the city's intensive care units have told the BBC they're struggling to cope. Despite widespread optimism, the BBC's James Gallagher says there are questions about mass testing. False positives could be a problem, as could individual behaviour - can authorities do better at persuading people who do test positive to isolate?

 

No shit, Sherlock!

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54786836

 

 This is just the starting city, which city will be next ?:classic_rolleyes:

 

 

 

 

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Just a question. Those chief scientist guys who seem to be running the country Whitty and Valance I think their names are.

 

They both have significant interests in GSK who are making a vaccine - and they are leading us through this crisis with a vaccine only strategy. This has all been documented in telegraph etc.

 

My question is, how come this is not deemed to be a conflict of interest? And therefore, these two should not be able to make such policy decisions? I don't understand this...

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19 minutes ago, Mr H said:

Just a question. Those chief scientist guys who seem to be running the country Whitty and Valance I think their names are.

 

They both have significant interests in GSK who are making a vaccine - and they are leading us through this crisis with a vaccine only strategy. This has all been documented in telegraph etc.

 

My question is, how come this is not deemed to be a conflict of interest? And therefore, these two should not be able to make such policy decisions? I don't understand this...

 

The whole stinking system is corrupt to the core, with Masons covering for each other.

 

But what is really disturbing to me is the fact that so many ordinary people don't give a toss about

the corruption or lies. It's like they have been programmed to be indifferent about it.

 

I started this thread about big pharma corruption, including the story about Sir Patrick Vallance having shares in GSK. The corrupt usually receive a Knighthood. Have you noticed that?

 

 

 

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“A powerful new weapon...” (in the drive for quarantine.)

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/nov/02/liverpool-uk-first-attempt-coronavirus-mass-testing

 

Liverpool's mass-testing trial, which begins later this week, is to be supported by some 2,000 military personnel, the Ministry of Defence has confirmed.

 

Specially-trained soldiers will be manning testing sites and supporting logistics during the scheme, which is the first whole-city testing pilot in England, the MoD said.

 

To be successful, it will need not only to find those who are infected regardless of symptoms, but convince them to self-isolate. Only 20% to 25% of people are estimated to quarantine fully when asked to do so by test and trace.

 

“Those who have been contacted need to self-isolate,” Johnson told MPs in the Commons on Wednesday. “We’ll be making a big, big push on that. Because, I must be candid with the house, alas the proportion of people who are self-isolating in response to the urges of NHS test and trace is not yet high enough.”

 

An all-out effort to get as many people tested as possible in Liverpool – one of the country’s worst-hit areas with weekly Covid cases of 410 in every 100,000 last week – will depend on people’s willingness to come forward.

 

Testing of the 500,000-strong population will be carried out in new and existing sites, using home kits, in hospitals and care home settings, and in schools, universities and workplaces. Some will be invited for tests but walk-up and online bookings will also be possible, and 2,000 army personnel will be involved.

 

“It is early days, but this kind of mass testing has the potential to be a powerful new weapon in our fight against Covid-19.”

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1 hour ago, wingwang said:

1. First city-wide mass-testing trial

Everyone living and working in Liverpool will be offered regular coronavirus testing from the end of this week. The armed forces will help carry out the pilot scheme. Liverpool has one of the highest Covid-19 death rates in England, and doctors at the city's intensive care units have told the BBC they're struggling to cope. Despite widespread optimism, the BBC's James Gallagher says there are questions about mass testing. False positives could be a problem, as could individual behaviour - can authorities do better at persuading people who do test positive to isolate?

 

No shit, Sherlock!

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54786836

 

 

For the record, it's not mandatory, do not comply Liverpool.

 

Under the pilot - the first of its kind in England - everyone working or living in the city will be offered tests, whether or not they have symptoms, with follow-up tests every two weeks or so.

 

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8 minutes ago, Velma said:

“A powerful new weapon...” (in the drive for quarantine.)

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/nov/02/liverpool-uk-first-attempt-coronavirus-mass-testing

 

Liverpool's mass-testing trial, which begins later this week, is to be supported by some 2,000 military personnel, the Ministry of Defence has confirmed.

 

Specially-trained soldiers will be manning testing sites and supporting logistics during the scheme, which is the first whole-city testing pilot in England, the MoD said.

 

To be successful, it will need not only to find those who are infected regardless of symptoms, but convince them to self-isolate. Only 20% to 25% of people are estimated to quarantine fully when asked to do so by test and trace.

 

“Those who have been contacted need to self-isolate,” Johnson told MPs in the Commons on Wednesday. “We’ll be making a big, big push on that. Because, I must be candid with the house, alas the proportion of people who are self-isolating in response to the urges of NHS test and trace is not yet high enough.”

 

An all-out effort to get as many people tested as possible in Liverpool – one of the country’s worst-hit areas with weekly Covid cases of 410 in every 100,000 last week – will depend on people’s willingness to come forward.

 

Testing of the 500,000-strong population will be carried out in new and existing sites, using home kits, in hospitals and care home settings, and in schools, universities and workplaces. Some will be invited for tests but walk-up and online bookings will also be possible, and 2,000 army personnel will be involved.

 

“It is early days, but this kind of mass testing has the potential to be a powerful new weapon in our fight against Covid-19.”

 

Mass testing - > More positives - > Lock down harder - > Even More testing - > Health passport - > Social credit grid

 

The scam is so obviously staring everyone straight in the face at this point. But the whole thing is such a farce I have growing faith it will all go wrong for them. Giving the big job to someone as inept and unlikeable as Bojo was a big oversight.

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1 minute ago, Velma said:

 

For the record, it's not mandatory, do not comply Liverpool.

 

Under the pilot - the first of its kind in England - everyone working or living in the city will be offered tests, whether or not they have symptoms, with follow-up tests every two weeks or so.

 

 

Only because they know the reaction the people of Liverpool would have to mandatory tests given their history with Boris.

 

A working class northern city used as a petri-dish for totalitarian control measures. Disgusting.

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4 minutes ago, Illmatic said:

 

Mass testing - > More positives - > Lock down harder - > Even More testing - > Health passport - > Social credit grid

 

The scam is so obviously staring everyone straight in the face at this point. But the whole thing is such a farce at this point I have growing faith it will all go wrong for them. Giving the big job to someone as inept and unlikeable as Bojo was a big oversight.

 

They are making an issue of (healthy) people not self-isolating, voluntarily, or quarantining in the home "infecting" family etc., all alluding to enforced relocation to Nightingale Hospitals, probably under military guard, in a worst case scenarion...lol!

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1 minute ago, Illmatic said:

 

Mass testing - > More positives - > Lock down harder - > Even More testing - > Health passport - > Social credit grid

 

The scam is so obviously staring everyone straight in the face at this point. But the whole thing is such a farce at this point I have growing faith it will all go wrong for them. Giving the big job to someone as inept and unlikeable as Bojo was a big oversight.

 

I'm starting to think (Hoping?) that they've pushed too early.

 

I know Icke goes on about how they can't go from A to Z directly as people will be like WTF? This feels like they've gone from P to Z though and missed out loads of the alphabet!

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Moderna/NIH forced to give up results of it's phase one trial- 70% of participants reported unsolicited adverse events

 

There's a total of almost 1100 pages and due to a lawsuit, they finally relented and so far have turned over 300 pages.  The initial findings 

 

"Despite only receiving a portion of the data, what ICAN has already received provides important information for the public to know in evaluating Moderna’s vaccine. For example, the documents ICAN received reveal that approximately 70% of participants reported unsolicited adverse events, many of which are extremely concerning."

 

https://www.icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/2020.10.29-Part-1-Production-322-pages-Request-54464_highlighted.pdf

 

In this paper the various events are broken down by age, dosage and adverse events and more.  

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53 minutes ago, alexa said:

 This is just the starting city, which city will be next ?:classic_rolleyes:

 

 

 

 

Birmingham, possibly. They already had a door to door trial with uniformed armed services in tow. Handsworth and Selly Oak were two areas that they operated in but they hit a problem with potentially contaminated kits, which is undergoing an enquiry.

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Just now, mishy said:

 

I'm starting to think (Hoping?) that they've pushed too early.

 

I know Icke goes on about how they can't go from A to Z directly as people will be like WTF? This feels like they've gone from P to Z though and missed out loads of the alphabet!

 

Exactly, as Velma alluded to enforced quarantine is probably the real purpose of those hospitals.

 

I agree with you, we're reaching critical mass in terms of awareness. We don't need 100% of people to be awake to it, probably about 20% would do and suddenly you see the scales start to tip. People are already starting to call it out, if things start to take an even more sinister turn all it will mean is more people realise what's really going on.

 

The totalitarian tiptoe has worked well for them for centuries. I think they were frustrated about being way behind on the agenda and their grand vision for the 21st century not bearing fruit so they broke into a jog and it might turn into a sprint.

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19 minutes ago, Illmatic said:

 

People are already starting to call it out, if things start to take an even more sinister turn all it will mean is more people realise what's really going on.

 

 

There is definitely a strong movement against the measures that were not there beforehand.

 

Even though people may not like them, The Daily Mail and now Nigel Farage are on the case and like them or loathe them they both have huge public influence. And in the case of Farage he tends to get things done when he sets his mind on something.

 

I don't think the opposition is strong enough for the government to listen.

 

My hypothesis is that if things continue, this opposition will grow and amongst the public there could be some civil unrest which is the only thing it would seem at this moment that the government would listen to.

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47 minutes ago, Mr H said:

There is definitely a strong movement against the measures that were not there beforehand.

 

Even though people may not like them, The Daily Mail and now Nigel Farage are on the case and like them or loathe them they both have huge public influence. And in the case of Farage he tends to get things done when he sets his mind on something.

 

I don't think the opposition is strong enough for the government to listen.

 

My hypothesis is that if things continue, this opposition will grow and amongst the public there could be some civil unrest which is the only thing it would seem at this moment that the government would listen to.

 

Good summary I think.

 

However if we see civil unrest in the form of riots it's better than nothing but the government can simply respond with heavier police presence. A mass, organised reopening of business against the shutdown would be much more difficult to police.

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9 minutes ago, Illmatic said:

 

Good summary I think.

 

However if we see civil unrest in the form of riots it's better than nothing but the government can simply respond with heavier police presence. A mass, organised reopening of business against the shutdown would be much more difficult to police.

Mass organized re-opening of business would be game over. I can't see anyone being able to organize something like that though.

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9 minutes ago, Illmatic said:

 

Good summary I think.

 

However if we see civil unrest in the form of riots it's better than nothing but the government can simply respond with heavier police presence. A mass, organised reopening of business against the shutdown would be much more difficult to police.

I think civil unrest is definitely part of the script, it's the aftermath that people should be concerned about.

 

Civil unrest is literally in the Rockefeller think-tank playbook. I refer everyone to Harry Vox in this scenario.

 

 

Soviet active measures:

 

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