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If they have completed 25 million tests and 1 million people came back positive. We can assume that another 1 million people are positive based on the size of the population. 

 

That would mean we have a statistical herd immunity already in place with 2 million infected with a rate of 4 deaths per day per 1 million people.

 

That would mean if everyone was infected the worst case scenario would be a death rate 120 people per day per 1 million people, assuming 100% positive infection rate. Worst case with 100% infection rate assuming the same death rate, it would be 3600 per day or 100k per month. 

 

Sorry my math is struggling comparing apples and oranges here. 

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1 hour ago, jesuitsdidit said:

I haven't heard Labour calling for discussion of the Great Barrington Declaration or of ex Pfizer VP Yeadon's views.

Where's Jeremy Corbyn? Probably the last real Politician we'll ever see.

 

Corbyn supports Zero Covid, New Zealand style indefinite mandatory quarantine camps.

Leftist are the ones whove been non stop calling for more draconian shit to crash the economy if you havent noticed?

Maybe you been under a rock.

Thats the problem, there is no opposition.

 

Corbyn is silent about his brother being arrested for free speech 5 times on speakers corner.

Corbyn cucked out over Brexit & Jewish supremacy.

Corbyns full on open borders.

I dont get why anyone from a conspiracy perspective would even mention his name?

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31 minutes ago, Jode said:

My assumption is non mask wearers wouldn't be the type to go for a test either? Where as mask wearers would .... 

 

 

Yes without mandatory testing, it is questionable whether the remaining 50%+- of the population will get test voluntarily. 

 

With 25 million tests completed there realy is no need to test the other half of the population as it can be assumed, I think. 

 

Now assuming we believe in the tests in the first place, these tests done by in August are still valid? If the infection rate is increasing then they might need to do the tested again and again and again. How else can we know if these 24 million negative results are now actually positive or not? 

 

If these 24 million people who tested negative are either immune or still open to being infected? What is the purpose of a test if you don't know if someone was exposed and never became infected or was never exposed by the time the test was taken? 

 

If we assume everyone in the population has been exposed and only 2 million+- are infected then the rate of infection would not climb any further. If all 25 million people that did the test, re do the test now, would they all come back with the same result? At the rate of change between positive and negative results, we could then determine if the positive case rate is increasing over time. 

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15 hours ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

 

The next morning following the one month imprisonment being announced by Boris, Gove is already talking about extending it beyond the 2nd December!

 

 

The new four-week-long national lockdown could be extended beyond December 2, according to Cabinet Minister Michael Gove.  

Mr Gove told Sky's Sophy Ridge this morning that over November the Government would review the data, adding that he hoped the reinfection rate would be "significantly reduced" by December 2.

But asked if the national lockdown could be extended, he replied: "Yes."

He said: "We want to be in a position where we can - and I believe that this is likely to be the case - have an approach where if we bring down the rate of infection sufficiently we can reduce measures nationally and also reduce measures regionally.

Sage member Sir Jeremy Farrar has also suggested restrictions could be extended beyond the Government's December 2 projected end date.  

Lockdown should be extended for another couple of weeks prior to the Christmas period if  infections, hospital admissions and deaths have not dropped sufficiently, Mr Farrar told BBC's Andrew Marr. 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-covid-lockdown-england-hairdressers-gyms-shops/

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An interesting aspect of the mind virus is the belief that the government has each citizen's best interests at heart and are taking actions to protect people. Not for one moment in the history of this planet has any government actually put the needs of their citizens above wealth, control and power.  Governments are essentially corporations and operate a psychopathic business model. Why would anyone who takes even a brief glance at history think that a government cares about their welfare?  That seems to be a barrier to adopting the very simple act of non-compliance for many people. It's a really high level of cognitive dissonance to believe any so called authority figures care about any person on an emotional level. Key is to not give a shit about them either and cultivate a life which is more self sufficient and less reliant on the state. Otherwise you see what is happening now which is a significant portion of the population being in a gaslighting relationship with their own governments.

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Let us look at the total death rate of under 65s in the context of 2 million people being infected with the worst virus ever known to man, covid-19. 

 

Total deaths under 65 for the period up to Oct 16th in 2019, 65824 

Total deaths under 65 for the period up to Oct 16th in 2020, 72,298

 

So at an infection rate of 2 million people, the words deadliest virus resulted in a total death rate increase compared to the same period last year for under 65s of 72,298-65824=6474 for same period.

 

Now this is total deaths, not specifically respiratory or covid-19 related as I don't have that breakdown available. 

 

So an additional 10.79 per 1 million per month (assuming 60 million total) of people under 65 have died compared to last year. 

 

The Total for 2018 which "was" a high year for respiratory deaths had a total under 65 death rate of 67185 up to Oct 16th 2018. 

 

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Without knowing the exposure rate, these case/test results mean next to nothing. Especially when they want to try and assume that the 100% infection rate would mean the current death rate at 2 million infected would be 4 (deaths per day per 1 million) x30 (due to 60 million total). 

 

This explains how sage comes up with the dooms day scenario of 80k deaths per month. What was their exact dooms day worst case scenario that they dreamed up? 

 

If we assume that everyone has already been exposed then that puts the whole thing in to perspective as being nothing more harmful than normal FLU. 

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58 minutes ago, Alnitak said:

Just a thought have any non mask wearers tested positive with the PCR test? It seems clear the wearing of masks is creating exosomes that are being picked up in the PCR tests as positive cases.

 

 

 

Don't wear a mask, don't get tested. If they stop you say you are already waiting for your result. If you can get abroad I would. The Anglo Saxon Countries are leading this. Germany France Holland would be my suggestion.

 

 

 

 

 

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50 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

 

Corbyn supports Zero Covid, New Zealand style indefinite mandatory quarantine camps.

Leftist are the ones whove been non stop calling for more draconian shit to crash the economy if you havent noticed?

Maybe you been under a rock.

Thats the problem, there is no opposition.

 

Corbyn is silent about his brother being arrested for free speech 5 times on speakers corner.

Corbyn cucked out over Brexit & Jewish supremacy.

Corbyns full on open borders.

I dont get why anyone from a conspiracy perspective would even mention his name?

 

Corbyn anti-Zionist not anti-Semitic BIG BIG DIFFERENCE.

 

 

 

 

 

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We will have to remember this graph in March and come back and compare it to the actual data.

 

It is a bit difficult to work out from that article whether their "scenario not a prediction" is assuming the lockdown until March is in fact in place or whether this "scenario not a prediction" is if we don't lockdown. 

 

It does say assuming Lockdown until March at the start of the article. 

 

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It was published in July 30 and envisaged cases growing in November. Cases started rising in September, so the figures will certainly have been revised. But this shows an example of the thinking behind UK government policy. Its assumption is that restrictions stay in place until March 2021.

 

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11 minutes ago, bryan said:

 

 

I think they say a certain cabinet member as a ruse. I found the following earlier re Hancock.  Truth is that its all owned and operated by the hidden hand... found this earlier re: Porton Down ( Hancock)

 

On 10/27/2020 at 4:29 AM, jesuitsdidit said:

Does that mean UK govt owns 75% or Hancock himself?

 

 

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/09331560/officers

 

I think it is a fully government owned business....but who controls the government?

 

 

a little more info...

 

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/09331560/filing-history

 

BUT THIS looks quite interesting doesnt it- looks to be big business....

 

``Porton Pharma Solutions Ltd., formerly Porton Fine Chemicals Ltd., is a China-based company principally engaged in the provision of customized pharmaceutical research and production services. The Company is also engaged in the multi-client product manufacturing businesses and pharmaceutical and chemical commerce businesses. The products of the Company include anti-viral, anti-diabetic, hypolipidemic, anti-cancer, anesthesia analgesia and anti-bacterial pharmaceuticals, among others. The Company operates its businesses in Europe, North America, Asia and China, among others.``

 

 

Managers
Name Age Since Title
Nian Feng Ju 47 - Chairman & General Manager
Rong Tao 57 - Vice Chairman, Secretary & Deputy General Manager
Yong Qing Guo, Dr. 45 - Independent Director
Pei Min Zheng 47 - Independent Director
Ji Hong Lai, Dr. 50 - Independent Director
Xing Ming Li 45 - Member-Supervisory Board
Wei Pi - - Securities Representative

 

 

 

https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/PORTON-PHARMA-SOLUTIONS-L-16117980/company/

 

 

...and if you keep clicking onward from the sites its quite an eye opener... you will notice the connections to investment funds etc

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1 hour ago, oddsnsods said:

 

Corbyn supports Zero Covid, New Zealand style indefinite mandatory quarantine camps.

Leftist are the ones whove been non stop calling for more draconian shit to crash the economy if you havent noticed?

Maybe you been under a rock.

Thats the problem, there is no opposition.

 

Corbyn is silent about his brother being arrested for free speech 5 times on speakers corner.

Corbyn cucked out over Brexit & Jewish supremacy.

Corbyns full on open borders.

I dont get why anyone from a conspiracy perspective would even mention his name?

 

Apparently Corbyn didn't speak to his brother for 5 years..

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