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56 minutes ago, Ecki Divad said:

 

These links (below) confirm that the SARS-Cov-2 virus has been isolated.  These are mainstream sources.  Are they lying?  People on here keep saying the virus has not been isolated, but the links below suggest that it has.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/grows-virus-cell-culture.html#:~:text=SARS-CoV-2%2C the,the scientific and medical community.

 

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/6/20-0516_article

I trust the cdc as far as I can throw their building. As for these links I’ve had a read through and unless I’m missing something, it isn’t clear that they’ve isolated it and made it meet Koch’s postulates, they ‘got it’ from a guy who travelled from China to Washington and tested positive with pcr, there’s the first red flag for me, then it goes into genome stuff but nothing about actually isolating it from the rest of the genetic material, like I say maybe I missed something 

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10 minutes ago, Ecki Divad said:

Why invent a fictitious virus when they can easily exaggerate a real one? 

 

They have exaggerated a real (for real read as mainstream) one. It is called the 'flu'. You may have heard of it?

You know, now in the UK they, since the 8th Oct, will combine the flu stats with covid and in the States they will nolonger report flu figures from this month.

We are now in the normal 'flu' season once again. Does that not make you consider things?

 

The CDC is a vaccine promoter and I guess it is likely that they profit from the distribution and sales of vaccines as does billy gates.

 

Believe that which you wish. If the last 8 months has not shown you the truth then nothing ever will.

 

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And @Ecki Divad

 

Fact checkers decided that the UK gov classing covid as NOT a high consequence infection on the 19th March as FAKE NEWS.

 

Believe what you want or need to, but really you think the CDC wouldn't lie considering all that is at hand currently?

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1 hour ago, Ecki Divad said:

 

I've answered your question in bold already.  Re-read the relevant post.  It's disingenuous to say that just because somebody lies, you must assume every fact they state is a lie.  On the same basis, lots of people on here lie or get things wrong, it doesn't follow that they always lie or always get things wrong. 

 

What you have to consider is the statement on its merits, of course taking into account the reputation of the source.  If I completely trusted the CDC, I wouldn't be asking the question, would I.  Nevertheless, the CDC state as scientific fact that they have isolated the virus.  It follows that they are either lying or they have made a mistake.

 

Thus, I must repeat my question (which nobody has answered):

 

Are they lying?

 

If they are lying, why would they do this given the nature of the subject-matter is easily replicable and falsifiable by other scientists?

 

Why invent a fictitious virus when they can easily exaggerate a real one?  What would be the point?  Why take such a needless risk?

 

Clue: 'LOL' is not an answer to these questions.  Being arrogant and pretending you know it all is not an answer to these questions.

 

Invisible menaces such as evil spirits, ghosts and ghouls dominated during the fearful dark ages and still do to some extent.

The religious entities used such fear/menace to good effect in efforts to exert control.

 

If the opportunity arose to create yet another invisible menace then would not one take that opportunity.

The religious precendent for using fear as a catalyst for change is well established! and undoubtedly well comprehended.

The correct question is-

Why wouldnt they?

 

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35 minutes ago, Seeker said:

I trust the cdc as far as I can throw their building. As for these links I’ve had a read through and unless I’m missing something, it isn’t clear that they’ve isolated it and made it meet Koch’s postulates, they ‘got it’ from a guy who travelled from China to Washington and tested positive with pcr, there’s the first red flag for me, then it goes into genome stuff but nothing about actually isolating it from the rest of the genetic material, like I say maybe I missed something 

 

they appear to be saying they have a signature of the virus

or a test that claims to identify certain hallmarks of a virus or the aftermath of it

but they don't have the actual virus itself

this is obviously open to false positives 

 

the only way to prove the virus exists is to have a working example of it this is common sense it applies to anything this rules out any error or deception

what they have relies on a belief in the accuracy of their test and the accuracy of the signature system they are using

 

all of the scientists who have spoken out have all stated that Koch’s postulates must be the only standard to prove it exists with zero doubt

 

the current standard in use is inadequate and open to error and corruption

therefore its an insecure method of isolation

 

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Whether they have isolated the virus or not, the fact that the pcr tests the public have are only 7% accurate mean ALL the covid case figures are a complete and utter load of bollox.

 

Here in the UK there will be almost no flu deaths this year. How can that be? It is because you cannot class a death as both covid and flu. This is where TPTB have fucked up.

 

It will certainly be interesting what excuses they come up with.

 

 

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isolated is not the same as purified

 

isolated can mean obtaining a sneeze and putting it in a jar

 

medical definition

 

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isolate

(ī′sə-lāt′)

v.
1. To set apart or cut off from others.
2. To place in quarantine.
3. To separate a pure strain from a mixed bacterial or fungal culture.
n. (-lĭt, -lāt′)
A bacterial or fungal strain that has been isolated.

 

 

it only mentions bacterial or fungal, isnt that odd

 

face masks, social distancing, hand washing, deep cleaning buildings, washing food, washing clothes

 

its as it was at the beginning. A viral illness is being treated as a bacterial or fungal outbreak

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, lake said:

 

They have exaggerated a real (for real read as mainstream) one. It is called the 'flu'. You may have heard of it?

You know, now in the UK they, since the 8th Oct, will combine the flu stats with covid and in the States they will nolonger report flu figures from this month.

We are now in the normal 'flu' season once again. Does that not make you consider things?

 

The CDC is a vaccine promoter and I guess it is likely that they profit from the distribution and sales of vaccines as does billy gates.

 

Believe that which you wish. If the last 8 months has not shown you the truth then nothing ever will.

 

 

 I don't think there's a real Covid virus at the moment, but they may release a genuine virus at any time in the future.

 

 

The Channel Four series Utopia (2013-2014, a total of twelve episodes) is a dark and very violent drama based on what is happening now with Covid. I watched all episodes last week.

 

Philip Carvel (a Roma) makes a serum called Janus which will sterilise everyone on the planet except the Roma race.

 

He could have chosen any race, but he chose the Roma to protect his daughter afaik.  But then he reveals the following .... from 43 minutes.

 

Yes I know it's only a drama, but food for thought?   

 

https://www.bitchute.com/video/KiNAQ1ypJUe3/

 

" Janus, It is a serum developed initially by Philip Carvel. Its purpose is to sterilize 90-95% of the human population in order to prevent the destruction of the Earth's environment and the descent of humanity into wars over food shortages. It is split into two parts to avoid detection: a protein called GCHN1 which is added to all industrially farmed corn, and an amino acid put into the vaccine for Russian flu."

 

https://utopiatv.fandom.com/wiki/Janus

 

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I compare it to the bubonic plague where carts were going around taking away the bodies. Bit of a difference, no?  There is definitely a bit of BS going on with this Covid.

 

I still personally know no one who has died from it. 2 members of my distant family have had this "covid", but their description was 'it was just like a bad flu'. So just flu then.

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19 minutes ago, Golden Retriever said:

I don't think there's a real Covid virus at the moment, but they may release a genuine virus at any time in the future.

 

Yes. They're waiting to see if enough damage has been done to economies worldwide without resorting to a genuine virus. My guess is that enough has been done looking at the West End in London a few hours ago. There's no way back for these places, even now, and that's without factoring in Johnson saying lockdowns will continue well into next year. The brainwashing has been more successful than even the ptb could have hoped for. And now they even have the option of falling back on releasing a genuine virus if civil disorder kicks off/too many decline the vaccine. As DI has pointed out, though, if they release a genuine pathogen, it's out of their hands and it could run riot everywhere.

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Population aging in Japan gets a corona-boost as pregnancies drop by 11 percent this year
https://soranews24.com/2020/10/26/population-aging-in-japan-gets-a-corona-boost-as-pregnancies-drop-by-11-percent-this-year/

 

'Assuming that COVID-19 really is the cause for most of these no-show pregnancies, the silver lining is that many parents-to-be are likely just waiting until the situation improves before taking the plunge.'

 

Wishful thinking for an occupied nation. The only way things improve is when you take your nation back. You can't do anything that is remotely like the Axis though, so you'll just have to go the way of the dodo.

 

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There are loads of videos of empty testing sites been floating around last few weeks in the UK.

Yet we are told hundreds of thousands of tests a day.

That is a blatant scam.

 

Then the test itself we know is a total scam.

 

The admissions to hospital is a scam, as they test anybody who go's in & then label them a covid case.

 

Anyone who dies after being tested positive for any reason is listed as a covid case.
So all you need to do is test lots of old people or very sick, get a few positives false or real..you are bound to get a few deaths so can keep scam going.

 

The death certificates are a scam.

 

The hospitals are not full.

 

Theres been nobody collapsing in the street & all the countries surrounding Wuhan China didnt suffer hardly any deaths.

HongKong, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan..................???

They have found covid1984 in the shit from March 2019 if im correct also.

Then they have these long covid BS & also ther Kawasaki they tried to blame..which from what I see, looks more like radiation burns.
Which a lot of people complained during lockdown were feeling burning sensations to their skin everynight, including myself.

Not sure about the 5g but they were up to something & its got fuck all to do with flu.


Dunno what dark winter they have in store, but I agree with GR listening to Gates megalomaniac chuckling to himself about a second pandemic.

Extremely disturbing & 500,000 people demanded he be investigated...yet not a word from Trump about it.

 

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2 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

There are loads of videos of empty testing sites been floating around last few weeks in the UK.

Yet we are told hundreds of thousands of tests a day.

That is a blatant scam.

 

Then the test itself we know is a total scam.

 

The admissions to hospital is a scam, as they test anybody who go's in & then label them a covid case.

 

Anyone who dies after being tested positive for any reason is listed as a covid case.
So all you need to do is test lots of old people or very sick, get a few positives false or real..you are bound to get a few deaths so can keep scam going.

 

The death certificates are a scam.

 

The hospitals are not full.

 

Theres been nobody collapsing in the street & all the countries surrounding Wuhan China didnt suffer hardly any deaths.

HongKong, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan..................???

They have found covid1984 in the shit from March 2019 if im correct also.

Then they have these long covid BS & also ther Kawasaki they tried to blame..which from what I see, looks more like radiation burns.
Which a lot of people complained during lockdown were feeling burning sensations to their skin everynight, including myself.

Not sure about the 5g but they were up to something & its got fuck all to do with flu.


Dunno what dark winter they have in store, but I agree with GR listening to Gates megalomaniac chuckling to himself about a second pandemic.

Extremely disturbing & 500,000 people demanded he be investigated...yet not a word from Trump about it.

 

Interesting you mentioned burning.. 

There are times my hands feel like they're on fire. It happens randomly and only lasts a couple of mins. 

Never thought about radiation burns :o

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7 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

There are loads of videos of empty testing sites been floating around last few weeks in the UK.

Yet we are told hundreds of thousands of tests a day.

That is a blatant scam.

 

Then the test itself we know is a total scam.

 

The admissions to hospital is a scam, as they test anybody who go's in & then label them a covid case.

 

Anyone who dies after being tested positive for any reason is listed as a covid case.
So all you need to do is test lots of old people or very sick, get a few positives false or real..you are bound to get a few deaths so can keep scam going.

 

The death certificates are a scam.

 

The hospitals are not full.

 

Theres been nobody collapsing in the street & all the countries surrounding Wuhan China didnt suffer hardly any deaths.

HongKong, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan..................???

They have found covid1984 in the shit from March 2019 if im correct also.

Then they have these long covid BS & also ther Kawasaki they tried to blame..which from what I see, looks more like radiation burns.
Which a lot of people complained during lockdown were feeling burning sensations to their skin everynight, including myself.

Not sure about the 5g but they were up to something & its got fuck all to do with flu.


Dunno what dark winter they have in store, but I agree with GR listening to Gates megalomaniac chuckling to himself about a second pandemic.

Extremely disturbing & 500,000 people demanded he be investigated...yet not a word from Trump about it.

 

 

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29 minutes ago, FrankVitali said:

I compare it to the bubonic plague where carts were going around taking away the bodies.

bubonic was bacteria

 

 

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14 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

Theres been nobody collapsing in the street & all the countries surrounding Wuhan China didnt suffer hardly any deaths.

HongKong, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan..................???

 

 

Couple of days ago I texted a western mate who works in Hong Kong to ask if there's anyone questioning the virus out there.

 

He replied:

 

'They not only believe in it, they worship it!'

 

Make of that what you will.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Ecki Divad said:

 

I've answered your question in bold already.  Re-read the relevant post.  It's disingenuous to say that just because somebody lies, you must assume every fact they state is a lie.  On the same basis, lots of people on here lie or get things wrong, it doesn't follow that they always lie or always get things wrong. 

 

What you have to consider is the statement on its merits, of course taking into account the reputation of the source.  If I completely trusted the CDC, I wouldn't be asking the question, would I.  Nevertheless, the CDC state as scientific fact that they have isolated the virus.  It follows that they are either lying or they have made a mistake.

 

Thus, I must repeat my question (which nobody has answered):

 

Are they lying?

 

If they are lying, why would they do this given the nature of the subject-matter is easily replicable and falsifiable by other scientists?

 

Why invent a fictitious virus when they can easily exaggerate a real one?  What would be the point?  Why take such a needless risk?

 

Clue: 'LOL' is not an answer to these questions.  Being arrogant and pretending you know it all is not an answer to these questions.

 

The Rockefeller Foundation founded the agency until governments took over some of its efforts, in collaboration with the Rockefeller Snake-Oil Salesmen. They sprayed the US in toxic DDT until it was proven to causes cancer and was banned worldwide. They told us AIDS came from a monkey, when it came from a vaccine and that Cov-Sars-2 came from a bat. A whistleblower exposed the fraud and data manipulation by the CDC in covering up the fact that vaccines cause autism. They also retain a repository of smallpox, which they “misplaced.” and admitted having sent samples of communicable diseases to the Iraqi government from 1984 through 1989 which were subsequently repurposed for biological warfare, including Botulism, West Nile virus and Dengue fever. Virus' are not contagious and do not come from animals, they come from a hypodermic syringe, IMHO. I would not trust anything coming from this corporation.

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More and more people are waking up every day, a second Europe wide lockdown is on the way, its reaching shit or get off the pot time if we don't want our freedoms and livelihoods taken away forever. I don't know if anyone else is feeling what I'm feeling but there is a tension in the streets, something is coming...

 

Mass civil disobedience is the only way. I'm going to make it my mission to spread the information as much as I can in the coming months and in some small way help this become a reality. I'd encourage everybody on this forum to do the same.

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6 minutes ago, Illmatic said:

More and more people are waking up every day, a second Europe wide lockdown is on the way, its reaching shit or get off the pot time if we don't want our freedoms and livelihoods taken away forever. I don't know if anyone else is feeling what I'm feeling but there is a tension in the streets, something is coming...

 

Mass civil disobedience is the only way. I'm going to make it my mission to spread the information as much as I can in the coming months and in some small way help this become a reality. I'd encourage everybody on this forum to do the same.

 

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2 hours ago, Seeker said:

I trust the cdc as far as I can throw their building. As for these links I’ve had a read through and unless I’m missing something, it isn’t clear that they’ve isolated it and made it meet Koch’s postulates, they ‘got it’ from a guy who travelled from China to Washington and tested positive with pcr, there’s the first red flag for me, then it goes into genome stuff but nothing about actually isolating it from the rest of the genetic material, like I say maybe I missed something 

 

That's a fair response, and I don't personally know.  I'm not a virologist.  Do we have any virologists on here or anybody with the necessary scientific literacy to make sense of this stuff?  I could do it myself, but it would be a labour to have to read through it all.

 

To be honest, my point remains: The CDC assert a plain fact.  If this is a false fact, that means they're lying.  I know they do lie, but would they lie about something like that on which they can easily be caught out by any scientist in the relevant specialism?  Or is it, as you suggest, a matter of interpretation and their methods are flawed?

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16 minutes ago, Shy Talk said:

 

Couple of days ago I texted a western mate who works in Hong Kong to ask if there's anyone questioning the virus out there.

 

He replied:

 

'They not only believe in it, they worship it!'

 

Make of that what you will.

 

 

 

They are suffering from the same media mind virus, even tho during the Wuhan scam around 6 people died allegedly of covid in HongKong. Same results in all countries surrounding China.

None of them countries I mentioned locked down.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, lake said:

 

They have exaggerated a real (for real read as mainstream) one. It is called the 'flu'. You may have heard of it?

You know, now in the UK they, since the 8th Oct, will combine the flu stats with covid and in the States they will nolonger report flu figures from this month.

We are now in the normal 'flu' season once again. Does that not make you consider things?

 

The CDC is a vaccine promoter and I guess it is likely that they profit from the distribution and sales of vaccines as does billy gates.

 

Believe that which you wish. If the last 8 months has not shown you the truth then nothing ever will.

 

 

This is just your own supposition, mixed in with rhetoric and condescension.  You're saying they lie, therefore they must be lying about this.  I'm saying they lie, but that doesn't mean everything they say in all particulars is a lie.  For one thing, lies can be based on truths.  I think this is a fairly reasonable position to take.  There could be a virus that they're lying about.  

 

To be honest, you come across as very condescending when you tell me that I'm not seeing the truth.  What is this 'truth'?  What makes you uniquely qualified as the repository of the truth?  Do you know everything?  Are you a scientist and specialist in a relevant field?  Are you a medical doctor?  Are you a virologist?  What are your credentials, please, to be talking down to me like this, as if I'm a six year-old child?

 

I'm not taking 'sides' here.  I'm just trying to see things objectively.  

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