Ecki Divad Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Seeker said: Sorry if this question has been answered, but in England Oxford Uni are developing the vaccine, has anyone done a freedom of information request to ask for any information on the virus being isolated and meeting Koch’s postulates legit, without depriving the subject of food and water? If they don’t have the information on the virus being isolated, then it’s all the more obvious they aren’t basing the vaccines on the virus, I’m tempted to ask directly but wanted to see if anyone had already asked? These links (below) confirm that the SARS-Cov-2 virus has been isolated. These are mainstream sources. Are they lying? People on here keep saying the virus has not been isolated, but the links below suggest that it has. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/grows-virus-cell-culture.html#:~:text=SARS-CoV-2%2C the,the scientific and medical community. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/6/20-0516_article Edited October 25, 2020 by Ecki Divad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Sawdust Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 11 minutes ago, Ecki Divad said: These are mainstream sources. Are they lying? MSM lying?.......Don't be ridiculous. As if they would. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecki Divad Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Ziggy Sawdust said: MSM lying?.......Don't be ridiculous. As if they would. It's not strictly mainstream media, it's the CDC - a U.S. government agency. Are they lying? They do they lie. I don't need you or anybody else to tell me that. But are they lying about this fact? Think about it. Think about the way scientific method works. This whole thing is a Big Lie, but you and others are going further and saying it's also a Big Fabrication. Would they take that risk with something that is replicable and can easily be exposed? And why would they bother inventing a fictitious virus when they have their pick of real viruses to cause mass hysteria about? I always apply Occam's razor to things like this. Edited October 25, 2020 by Ecki Divad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR-E Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 IMAGINE ..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zarkov Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Seeker said: Sorry if this question has been answered, but in England Oxford Uni are developing the vaccine, has anyone done a freedom of information request to ask for any information on the virus being isolated and meeting Koch’s postulates legit, without depriving the subject of food and water? If they don’t have the information on the virus being isolated, then it’s all the more obvious they aren’t basing the vaccines on the virus, I’m tempted to ask directly but wanted to see if anyone had already asked? From earlier on this thread. Mitchondrial Eves posts have further information 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Given To Fly Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 25 minutes ago, Ecki Divad said: Are they lying? lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecki Divad Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Given To Fly said: lol That doesn't answer my question. You're an idiot. Liars don't lie about everything. The most effective lies can contain truth. The virus may be real but the response may be based on lies and fraud. I also repeat my question: Why invent a fictitious virus when they can exploit real ones? Occam's razor. Edited October 25, 2020 by Ecki Divad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonTV Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 Imagine being completely convinced of what the government is saying and thinking there is a deadly virus around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lake Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 51 minutes ago, Seeker said: has anyone done a freedom of information request to ask for any information on the virus being isolated and meeting Koch’s postulates This may help you or not? A pdf of foi requests! https://docdro.id/AGdfVv1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zarkov Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ecki Divad said: It's not strictly mainstream media, it's the CDC - a U.S. government agency. Are they lying? They do they lie. I don't need you or anybody else to tell me that. But are they lying about this fact? Think about it. Think about the way scientific method works. This whole thing is a Big Lie, but you and others are going further and saying it's also a Big Fabrication. Would they take that risk with something that is replicable and can easily be exposed? And why would they bother inventing a fictitious virus when they have their pick of real viruses to cause mass hysteria about? I always apply Occam's razor to things like this. Virologists such as Stephan Lanka argue that viruses have never been proven to exhibit pathogenicity, HIV was shown by the Perth group to be an erroneous conflagration and was proven to be correct in the courts and subsquently quelled by the msm. Viruses imho is an argument for a later day as it is too large a red pill. I would question that since you know they lie, then why would you receive any information from them in any other light? More pertinent to argue about the mortality rate, which according to ONS figures as propounded by UKColumn, is at the 5 year average and has been since June. All restrictions should now be removed Edited October 25, 2020 by zarkov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecki Divad Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, zarkov said: Virologists such as Stephan Lanka argue that viruses have never been proven to exhibit pathogenicity, HIV was shown by the Perth group to be an erroneous conflagration and was proven to be correct in the courts and subsquently quelled by the msm. Viruses imho is an argument for a later day as it is too large a red pill. I would question that since you know they lie, then why would you receive any information from them in any other light? More pertinent to argue about the mortality rate, which according to ONS figures as propounded by UKColumn, is at the 5 year average and has been since June. All restrictions should now be removed I've answered your question in bold already. Re-read the relevant post. It's disingenuous to say that just because somebody lies, you must assume every fact they state is a lie. On the same basis, lots of people on here lie or get things wrong, it doesn't follow that they always lie or always get things wrong. What you have to consider is the statement on its merits, of course taking into account the reputation of the source. If I completely trusted the CDC, I wouldn't be asking the question, would I. Nevertheless, the CDC state as scientific fact that they have isolated the virus. It follows that they are either lying or they have made a mistake. Thus, I must repeat my question (which nobody has answered): Are they lying? If they are lying, why would they do this given the nature of the subject-matter is easily replicable and falsifiable by other scientists? Why invent a fictitious virus when they can easily exaggerate a real one? What would be the point? Why take such a needless risk? Clue: 'LOL' is not an answer to these questions. Being arrogant and pretending you know it all is not an answer to these questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Given To Fly Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 29 minutes ago, Ecki Divad said: That doesn't answer my question. You're an idiot. Liars don't lie about everything. The most effective lies can contain truth. The virus may be real but the response may be based on lies and fraud. I also repeat my question: Why invent a fictitious virus when they can exploit real ones? Occam's razor. damn, you took me calling liars liars bad. nothing personal to you. why the abuse ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 56 minutes ago, Ecki Divad said: These links (below) confirm that the SARS-Cov-2 virus has been isolated. These are mainstream sources. Are they lying? People on here keep saying the virus has not been isolated, but the links below suggest that it has. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/grows-virus-cell-culture.html#:~:text=SARS-CoV-2%2C the,the scientific and medical community. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/6/20-0516_article I trust the cdc as far as I can throw their building. As for these links I’ve had a read through and unless I’m missing something, it isn’t clear that they’ve isolated it and made it meet Koch’s postulates, they ‘got it’ from a guy who travelled from China to Washington and tested positive with pcr, there’s the first red flag for me, then it goes into genome stuff but nothing about actually isolating it from the rest of the genetic material, like I say maybe I missed something 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lake Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, Ecki Divad said: Why invent a fictitious virus when they can easily exaggerate a real one? They have exaggerated a real (for real read as mainstream) one. It is called the 'flu'. You may have heard of it? You know, now in the UK they, since the 8th Oct, will combine the flu stats with covid and in the States they will nolonger report flu figures from this month. We are now in the normal 'flu' season once again. Does that not make you consider things? The CDC is a vaccine promoter and I guess it is likely that they profit from the distribution and sales of vaccines as does billy gates. Believe that which you wish. If the last 8 months has not shown you the truth then nothing ever will. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lake Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 And @Ecki Divad Fact checkers decided that the UK gov classing covid as NOT a high consequence infection on the 19th March as FAKE NEWS. Believe what you want or need to, but really you think the CDC wouldn't lie considering all that is at hand currently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zarkov Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Ecki Divad said: I've answered your question in bold already. Re-read the relevant post. It's disingenuous to say that just because somebody lies, you must assume every fact they state is a lie. On the same basis, lots of people on here lie or get things wrong, it doesn't follow that they always lie or always get things wrong. What you have to consider is the statement on its merits, of course taking into account the reputation of the source. If I completely trusted the CDC, I wouldn't be asking the question, would I. Nevertheless, the CDC state as scientific fact that they have isolated the virus. It follows that they are either lying or they have made a mistake. Thus, I must repeat my question (which nobody has answered): Are they lying? If they are lying, why would they do this given the nature of the subject-matter is easily replicable and falsifiable by other scientists? Why invent a fictitious virus when they can easily exaggerate a real one? What would be the point? Why take such a needless risk? Clue: 'LOL' is not an answer to these questions. Being arrogant and pretending you know it all is not an answer to these questions. Invisible menaces such as evil spirits, ghosts and ghouls dominated during the fearful dark ages and still do to some extent. The religious entities used such fear/menace to good effect in efforts to exert control. If the opportunity arose to create yet another invisible menace then would not one take that opportunity. The religious precendent for using fear as a catalyst for change is well established! and undoubtedly well comprehended. The correct question is- Why wouldnt they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneantisworthtenofyou Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Seeker said: I trust the cdc as far as I can throw their building. As for these links I’ve had a read through and unless I’m missing something, it isn’t clear that they’ve isolated it and made it meet Koch’s postulates, they ‘got it’ from a guy who travelled from China to Washington and tested positive with pcr, there’s the first red flag for me, then it goes into genome stuff but nothing about actually isolating it from the rest of the genetic material, like I say maybe I missed something they appear to be saying they have a signature of the virus or a test that claims to identify certain hallmarks of a virus or the aftermath of it but they don't have the actual virus itself this is obviously open to false positives the only way to prove the virus exists is to have a working example of it this is common sense it applies to anything this rules out any error or deception what they have relies on a belief in the accuracy of their test and the accuracy of the signature system they are using all of the scientists who have spoken out have all stated that Koch’s postulates must be the only standard to prove it exists with zero doubt the current standard in use is inadequate and open to error and corruption therefore its an insecure method of isolation Edited October 25, 2020 by oneantisworthtenofyou 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankVitali Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) Whether they have isolated the virus or not, the fact that the pcr tests the public have are only 7% accurate mean ALL the covid case figures are a complete and utter load of bollox. Here in the UK there will be almost no flu deaths this year. How can that be? It is because you cannot class a death as both covid and flu. This is where TPTB have fucked up. It will certainly be interesting what excuses they come up with. Edited October 25, 2020 by FrankVitali 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 isolated is not the same as purified isolated can mean obtaining a sneeze and putting it in a jar medical definition Quote isolate (ī′sə-lāt′) v. 1. To set apart or cut off from others. 2. To place in quarantine. 3. To separate a pure strain from a mixed bacterial or fungal culture. n. (-lĭt, -lāt′) A bacterial or fungal strain that has been isolated. it only mentions bacterial or fungal, isnt that odd face masks, social distancing, hand washing, deep cleaning buildings, washing food, washing clothes its as it was at the beginning. A viral illness is being treated as a bacterial or fungal outbreak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Retriever Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, lake said: They have exaggerated a real (for real read as mainstream) one. It is called the 'flu'. You may have heard of it? You know, now in the UK they, since the 8th Oct, will combine the flu stats with covid and in the States they will nolonger report flu figures from this month. We are now in the normal 'flu' season once again. Does that not make you consider things? The CDC is a vaccine promoter and I guess it is likely that they profit from the distribution and sales of vaccines as does billy gates. Believe that which you wish. If the last 8 months has not shown you the truth then nothing ever will. I don't think there's a real Covid virus at the moment, but they may release a genuine virus at any time in the future. The Channel Four series Utopia (2013-2014, a total of twelve episodes) is a dark and very violent drama based on what is happening now with Covid. I watched all episodes last week. Philip Carvel (a Roma) makes a serum called Janus which will sterilise everyone on the planet except the Roma race. He could have chosen any race, but he chose the Roma to protect his daughter afaik. But then he reveals the following .... from 43 minutes. Yes I know it's only a drama, but food for thought? https://www.bitchute.com/video/KiNAQ1ypJUe3/ " Janus, It is a serum developed initially by Philip Carvel. Its purpose is to sterilize 90-95% of the human population in order to prevent the destruction of the Earth's environment and the descent of humanity into wars over food shortages. It is split into two parts to avoid detection: a protein called GCHN1 which is added to all industrially farmed corn, and an amino acid put into the vaccine for Russian flu." https://utopiatv.fandom.com/wiki/Janus Edited October 25, 2020 by Golden Retriever 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankVitali Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 I compare it to the bubonic plague where carts were going around taking away the bodies. Bit of a difference, no? There is definitely a bit of BS going on with this Covid. I still personally know no one who has died from it. 2 members of my distant family have had this "covid", but their description was 'it was just like a bad flu'. So just flu then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shy Talk Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 19 minutes ago, Golden Retriever said: I don't think there's a real Covid virus at the moment, but they may release a genuine virus at any time in the future. Yes. They're waiting to see if enough damage has been done to economies worldwide without resorting to a genuine virus. My guess is that enough has been done looking at the West End in London a few hours ago. There's no way back for these places, even now, and that's without factoring in Johnson saying lockdowns will continue well into next year. The brainwashing has been more successful than even the ptb could have hoped for. And now they even have the option of falling back on releasing a genuine virus if civil disorder kicks off/too many decline the vaccine. As DI has pointed out, though, if they release a genuine pathogen, it's out of their hands and it could run riot everywhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaticWorld Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) Population aging in Japan gets a corona-boost as pregnancies drop by 11 percent this year https://soranews24.com/2020/10/26/population-aging-in-japan-gets-a-corona-boost-as-pregnancies-drop-by-11-percent-this-year/ 'Assuming that COVID-19 really is the cause for most of these no-show pregnancies, the silver lining is that many parents-to-be are likely just waiting until the situation improves before taking the plunge.' Wishful thinking for an occupied nation. The only way things improve is when you take your nation back. You can't do anything that is remotely like the Axis though, so you'll just have to go the way of the dodo. Edited October 25, 2020 by EnigmaticWorld Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddsnsods Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 There are loads of videos of empty testing sites been floating around last few weeks in the UK. Yet we are told hundreds of thousands of tests a day. That is a blatant scam. Then the test itself we know is a total scam. The admissions to hospital is a scam, as they test anybody who go's in & then label them a covid case. Anyone who dies after being tested positive for any reason is listed as a covid case. So all you need to do is test lots of old people or very sick, get a few positives false or real..you are bound to get a few deaths so can keep scam going. The death certificates are a scam. The hospitals are not full. Theres been nobody collapsing in the street & all the countries surrounding Wuhan China didnt suffer hardly any deaths. HongKong, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan..................??? They have found covid1984 in the shit from March 2019 if im correct also. Then they have these long covid BS & also ther Kawasaki they tried to blame..which from what I see, looks more like radiation burns. Which a lot of people complained during lockdown were feeling burning sensations to their skin everynight, including myself. Not sure about the 5g but they were up to something & its got fuck all to do with flu. Dunno what dark winter they have in store, but I agree with GR listening to Gates megalomaniac chuckling to himself about a second pandemic. Extremely disturbing & 500,000 people demanded he be investigated...yet not a word from Trump about it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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