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[Ween Dwijler]

1 hour ago, kilowon said:

I do not disagree with your assessment totally though I do believe that logically reality must have been created somehow. I think a lot of people like to personalize the creator because it make it easier for them. But I think if we look at near death experience etc, it is clear that there is a form of existence after this one. I personally adhere to Icke thoughts on the subject. I think the creator, first source, consciousness in awareness of itself or eternal dreamer or whatever you  wanna call it, is neutral. It does not dispend laws. I did come to that conclusion before I discover Icke so maybe it is confirmation bias but this is the concept, based on personal experience and research, that I choose to believe in. Of course, if new evidence come forth that show that I am mistaken  I will reconsider. I disagree that  direct democracy is a good thing. Democracy is simply mob rule. The majority get their way even if they are in majority by only one. 

The reality as you perceive it, is completely different from that of an insect (with infrared vision), a dog that can only see in shades of grey but hears X times more than you do, or an animal that can smell X times more than you do. We can, with confidence, assume that what we hear, smell, feel, and see is not the reality. Your, or my, reality is formed inside our brains, that simply tries to make sense of the input it receives. This doesn't mean there is no such thing as a universal reality, it is just beyond our understanding at the moment. This is what true science tries to solve.

 

Democracy can be applied on many levels. That of a household, a small community, a geographical area, within a cultural group, all the way up to planet wide levels. Planet wide levels of democracy should be only used for very broad formulated principles or ideas. For example; a decision to go into space exploration would be a worldwide decision to make. It affects everyone and everything. But the decision to build a local road in the village can be made on village level. What you eat tonight is a decision you and your partner can make together. You have to forget the 50+1 majority democracy, though. I was more thinking about 70% or even more that have to agree democratically about an issue.

 

But as I said before, it is a starting concept that still needs a lot of work and discussions before it becomes mature enough to be considered. We have to start somewhere.

[kilowon]

16 minutes ago, Ween Dwijler said:

Nature does its thing without any notion of positive or negative. Why would there be the need for a "creator"? It's a human thing, a pathetic attempt to make an imaginary entity responsible so we can blame and escape our own responsibilities. An imaginary entity to give meaning to our lives, because we fail to do it ourselves.

 

What if there is no meaning in life, other than that what you give it yourself? Try to imagine that and feel the utter freedom that will flow through you once you realize the power you have over your own life.

But I feel that  utter freedom even if I believe that reality was created. Not by an old man with a beard, but by spirit, which I believe is the basis of all reality. What in quantum theory they call The Field. A basic building block of all. The state of oneness as some like to call it. If there is no meaning to life then what is to stop us from using and abusing those around us  guilt free since there will be no consequence for our actions? 

[Ween Dwijler]

1 hour ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

I think some will, the ones that want this planet for themselves, plus some slaves, but the slaves won't resemble humans at that point. Once their minds are hooked into the smart system, they will probably start wishing for death, assuming they can even have individual thoughts at that point.

I expect that by the mid of this century, AI and robotics are sufficiently far developed to replace any human being. The few you have in mind that expect to have the planet for themselves, will find out very soon after they've reached their goal, the plan will backfire most spectacular. And that will be the end of it. And if that doesn't happen, they couldn't help themselves to battle each other to the last man standing, which will then be eaten by a tiger or a crocodile. Again, end of story.

[Sinky077]

I won’t be having there poison mnr shit  

[EnigmaticWorld]

14 minutes ago, kilowon said:

I personally believe that evil is not natural to Man. I think it is the spiritual distortion that is the cause of evil in Man. All those arsehole you mentioned, are actually under the spell of that distortion.

 

Possibly. All I know is that they wear the face of my people when they try to encourage us to be the scapegoats for all the wrongs in the world, then the next minute they act like they're not like us so they can escape the backlash, and I'm tired of pretending I don't notice.

 

I will keep exposing their overrepresented hand in colonialism, slavery, sex trafficking, until the day I die. I will tell every black person I know about what they did and what they owned. I'm not playing with these swindlers.

Edited November 1, 2021 by EnigmaticWorld

[Ween Dwijler]

43 minutes ago, Sheepy said:

Which is exactly what is creating cults, by direct democracy it is an offer of freedom, it is an offer to choose your own destiny which frightens the pants off of the cult of Westminster. Who have no intention of letting you take a vote and choosing what is best for you, it isn't mob rule because you can choose to vote yes or no on each individual policy, what it does do though is return the power to the people and freedom to choose how you will vote on any piece of legislation, which can be proposed by anyone, it frightens the establishment into doing crazy things backed by their minions in the media and every other establishment outlet. Because it removes their control over democracy. Which let's be honest, they have turned that into a cult. 

Except for the cult thing you refer to, I think I get what you say. And in your own way, you point out some relevant things about direct democracy.

[Sheepy]

11 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

I can't speak for everyone, but it probably seems like rocket science to the average deracinated European that has no in-group preference. The evil doers probably understand our tribal nature more than us, because we have forgot who we are. We have been brainwashed to be hyperindividualistic, and don't think in terms of groups. Hence why the South Eastern Asians think we're nuts and suicidal.

 

 

Tell the average European that there is a group that holds a 2000 year old grudge against us, and that they have been scheming to destroy us for such an insane amount of time. The European won't even be able to entertain such an idea and will just think it's insane, because they don't have the layers and layers of context, and they won't even look into it because it's not politically correct. They care more about being accused of thought crime than asking how things got like this.

A good start would be explaining it isn't a crime to be a human being, which is actually what they have turned into the greatest crime of all. It is isn't a crime to fight against tyranny or having your mind controlled by a small group of cultists who are having/consulting each other today on their next level of control via fear.

Edited November 1, 2021 by Sheepy

[Ween Dwijler]

5 minutes ago, kilowon said:

But I feel that  utter freedom even if I believe that reality was created. Not by an old man with a beard, but by spirit, which I believe is the basis of all reality. What in quantum theory they call The Field. A basic building block of all. The state of oneness as some like to call it. If there is no meaning to life then what is to stop us from using and abusing those around us  guilt free since there will be no consequence for our actions? 

You use the word believe a lot. As I stated before, believe is the irrational assumption of truth without evidence to support that. In a world without no other meaning than what you give to it, a life of abuse of others will very soon come to a violent end. Think about that. Action and reaction is the key.

[Ween Dwijler]

10 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

I will tell every black person I know about what they did and what they owned.

You realize that this is factual racism? Why not tell any other person, no matter his/her color, religion or cultural background?

[EnigmaticWorld]

1 minute ago, Ween Dwijler said:

You realize that this is factual racism?

 

Are you being serious or having a laugh? If serious, what kind of slimeball subversive came up with that BS? There's nothing racist about facts and history. The truth doesn't have an agenda, nor a left or a right, it just speaks for itself. How people react to truth can be an issue, but that's about it.

 

3 minutes ago, Ween Dwijler said:

Why not tell any other person, no matter his/her color, religion or cultural background?

 

I will tell every group, but if I was black, I would want to know who owned ships, plantations, and who has an agenda to pit white and black people against each other, and who had an agenda to ship people to the 'New World', to accelerate the destruction of the old world, etc. They deserve to know that not everyone that looks white is culturally white.

[kilowon]

6 minutes ago, Ween Dwijler said:

The reality as you perceive it, is completely different from that of an insect (with infrared vision), a dog that can only see in shades of grey but hears X times more than you do, or an animal that can smell X times more than you do. We can, with confidence, assume that what we hear, smell, feel, and see is not the reality. Your, or my, reality is formed inside our brains, that simply tries to make sense of the input it receives. This doesn't mean there is no such thing as a universal reality, it is just beyond our understanding at the moment. This is what true science tries to solve.

 

Democracy can be applied on many levels. That of a household, a small community, a geographical area, within a cultural group, all the way up to planet wide levels. Planet wide levels of democracy should be only used for very broad formulated principles or ideas. For example; a decision to go into space exploration would be a worldwide decision to make. It affects everyone and everything. But the decision to build a local road in the village can be made on village level. What you eat tonight is a decision you and your partner can make together. You have to forget the 50+1 majority democracy, though. I was more thinking about 70% or even more that have to agree democratically about an issue.

 

But as I said before, it is a starting concept that still needs a lot of work and discussions before it becomes mature enough to be considered. We have to start somewhere.

Again, I actually agree with you when you talk about this kind of democracy. It does exist in certain tribe which we call primitive. They are not of course, far from that. In fact, they seem to understand the world far better than so called civilization. I personally believe that humanity were never meant to live in large group. I think we were meant to live in small group which share the same philosophy on life. Like the native tribes of old. The problem is actually what we called civilization. Once people start congregating in large settlement and cities is when the problem really start. The concept of money is another aspect of civilization that leads to evil. The earth have enough resources for all of us to live life in comfort and yet we are constantly fighting over resources and live lives of want. Even now, the global population can easily fit comfortably in a land the size of Texas. Currently, we produced enough resources that could easily provide for triple our current population. So clearly, land and resources is not an issue. It is greed. And greed is a direct expression of fear. The fear of not having enough to survive. We are the only creatures on earth which actually pay for any resources we use on earth and takes more than we need. No other creatures does this. We live life of excesses. Producing and buying thing we do not need and which add no value to our life. This is what I am working toward in my own life. Decluttering my life and getting back to basic and enjoying nature. No longer being part of the rat race. I have no bank account, no driver license, very little in term of material possession. I do not have a tv and have lost all  interest in sport, which is a charade anyway. As fake most of the time as WWE.  I am not there yet but in the last two years, with the scamdemic, I have made more progress in that direction than the first 20 years of my awakening. So some silver lining in this dark time. That is why I am looking for like minded individuals to form our own tribe so to speak.

[Ween Dwijler]

1 minute ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Are you being serious or having a laugh? If serious, what kind of slimeball subversive came up with that BS? There's nothing racist about facts and history. The truth doesn't have an agenda, nor a left or a right, it just speaks for itself. How people react to truth can be an issue, but that's about it.

 

 

I will tell every group, but if I was black, I would want to know who owned ships, plantations, and who has an agenda to pit white and black people against each other, and who had an agenda to ship people to the 'New World', to accelerate the destruction of the old world, etc. They deserve to know that not everyone that looks white is culturally white.

No, I was serious. Besides the qualifications you give to the truth, it also doesn't have a color, religion or cultural aspect. Racism starts if you see a black person in front of you, instead of just a human being like you. Personally, color, religion or cultural background are invisible to me if I talk with another human being. Those aspects are simply not relevant.

 

But besides that, some facts about slavery is that many slaves from Africa were sold by their own kind to the Europeans that came there. There were even certain tribes, specialized in hunting for slaves throughout the African continent. I have to look up which tribes that were again. But you can find it yourself too, on the internet. So, are we going to demand repairs from them too? Many of the descendants of those African slave traders are now living in poverty in countries like Niger, Nigeria, Ghana etc.

[Frankieboy]

FC Bayern Munich Boss:

 

 

To make it clear whether a soccer player like Kimmich is vaccinated or not, is his private matter.
That’s no business of politics or the fucking media.

 

 

[Ween Dwijler]

3 minutes ago, kilowon said:

Again, I actually agree with you when you talk about this kind of democracy. It does exist in certain tribe which we call primitive. They are not of course, far from that. In fact, they seem to understand the world far better than so called civilization. I personally believe that humanity were never meant to live in large group. I think we were meant to live in small group which share the same philosophy on life. Like the native tribes of old. The problem is actually what we called civilization. Once people start congregating in large settlement and cities is when the problem really start. The concept of money is another aspect of civilization that leads to evil. The earth have enough resources for all of us to live life in comfort and yet we are constantly fighting over resources and live lives of want. Even now, the global population can easily fit comfortably in a land the size of Texas. Currently, we produced enough resources that could easily provide for triple our current population. So clearly, land and resources is not an issue. It is greed. And greed is a direct expression of fear. The fear of not having enough to survive. We are the only creatures on earth which actually pay for any resources we use on earth and takes more than we need. No other creatures does this. We live life of excesses. Producing and buying thing we do not need and which add no value to our life. This is what I am working toward in my own life. Decluttering my life and getting back to basic and enjoying nature. No longer being part of the rat race. I have no bank account, no driver license, very little in term of material possession. I do not have a tv and have lost all  interest in sport, which is a charade anyway. As fake most of the time as WWE.  I am not there yet but in the last two years, with the scamdemic, I have made more progress in that direction than the first 20 years of my awakening. So some silver lining in this dark time. That is why I am looking for like minded individuals to form our own tribe so to speak.

We're pretty much in the same book, and not too many pages apart, if not on the same spread of pages. However, the problem we're dealing with is that the Ginny is out of the bottle with world wide civilization. How can we bring this back to proportions that people can deal with? Direct democracy on various levels of societal organization could be an answer if it is thoroughly thought through and tested in a virtual environment that has no impact on real life yet. Maybe an idea to step it up a little and start working on a cunning plan for that? Everyone can chip in.

[kilowon]

24 minutes ago, Ween Dwijler said:

You use the word believe a lot. As I stated before, believe is the irrational assumption of truth without evidence to support that. In a world without no other meaning than what you give to it, a life of abuse of others will very soon come to a violent end. Think about that. Action and reaction is the key.

We all believe, whether we admit it or not. What you just wrote is your belief. The death cult have been abusing the world for thousand of years and yet they are still there. I have seen people abused others and never have to face up to what they did in this life. In my homeland, Seychelles, we had a guy who took power in a coup d'etat in 1977 and rule the country with an iron fist for decades, brutally repressing and murdering those who opposed him, while he stole large part of the wealth of the nation for himself and his minions. He died two years ago, at the ripe old age of 84. Never having been held to account for what he did. We are currently going through a truth commission process like that of South Africa and Rwanda, and more of his crimes is coming out. But he is dead and will not to be held to account in this life. So as you see, these people rarely come to a violent end. They tend to get away with it.

[EnigmaticWorld]

Just now, Ween Dwijler said:

Racism starts if you see a black person in front of you, instead of just a human being like you.

 

I disagree. Why does a man of a differen't culture need to be told he is just like me. I don't want to pretend that people don't have differences that make us unique and interesting. I don't subscribe to this we're all the same stuff. We shouldn't let differences divide us, and should celebrate them, but it's suicidal to ignore them.

 

6 minutes ago, Ween Dwijler said:

Personally, color, religion or cultural background are invisible to me if I talk with another human being. Those aspects are simply not relevant.

 

Depends on what is being discussed. Don't you like hearing talking points from different backgrounds, or taking an interest in what influences their views?

 

8 minutes ago, Ween Dwijler said:

But besides that, some facts about slavery is that many slaves from Africa were sold by their own kind to the Europeans that came there.

 

Not just Europeans, that's my point. It's one thing to look European, but another to actually identify as European.

 

12 minutes ago, Ween Dwijler said:

So, are we going to demand repairs from them too? Many of the descendants of those African slave traders are now living in poverty in countries like Niger, Nigeria, Ghana etc.

 

Never going to happen because most groups aren't mental like modern Europeans. I don't want reparations, just an honest telling of history.

 

 

Anyway, sorry for going too off topic.

 

There is a slavery thread if people wish to talk about this more. My bad.

[Ween Dwijler]

9 minutes ago, kilowon said:

We all believe, whether we admit it or not. What you just wrote is your belief. The death cult have been abusing the world for thousand of years and yet they are still there. I have seen people abused others and never have to face up to what they did in this life. In my homeland, Seychelles, we had a guy who took power in a coup d'etat in 1977 and rule the country with an iron fist for decades, brutally repressing and murdering those who opposed him, while he stole large part of the wealth of the nation for himself and his minions. He died two years ago, at the ripe old age of 84. Never having been held to account for what he did. We are currently going through a truth commission process like that of South Africa and Rwanda, and more of his crimes is coming out. But he is dead and will not to be held to account in this life. So as you see, these people rarely come to a violent end. They tend to get away with it.

Yeah, that is a bitter pill to swallow. A good thing is to find how it was possible that this man came to power. We have to see that one man alone can not do such a thing on his own. He needs sufficient support for that. One book that shines a bright light on the workings of tyranny, is that of Étienne de La Boétie - The Politics of Obedience a.k.a. The Discourse of Voluntary Servitude (written 1552-1553). You can find it as a free downloadable PDF in many places. A good read to help understand these kinds of mechanisms.

 

[Diesel]

1 hour ago, Ween Dwijler said:

Why would there be the need for a "creator"? It's a human thing, a pathetic attempt to make an imaginary entity responsible so we can blame and escape our own responsibilities. An imaginary entity to give meaning to our lives, because we fail to do it ourselves.

You should understand that this reality itself is an illusion first and then you will understand that it was created and there is a creator. We are here to evolve our souls. I like what you say about a digital democracy, to use the tools designed to enslave us to empower us. But where we differ is on hope. I have a belief as do many that Good will overcome Evil. Not by sitting back we must fight for it but I do believe God is on our side. Why would you seek to destroy my hope and faith just because you have none? 

[Ween Dwijler]

4 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

I disagree. Why does a man of a differen't culture need to be told he is just like me. I don't want to pretend that people don't have differences that make us unique and interesting. I don't subscribe to this we're all the same stuff. We shouldn't let differences divide us, and should celebrate them, but it's suicidal to ignore them.

 

 

Depends on what is being discussed. Don't you like hearing talking points from different backgrounds, or taking an interest in what influences their views?

 

 

Not just Europeans, that's my point. It's one thing to look European, but another to actually identify as European.

 

 

Never going to happen because most groups aren't mental like modern Europeans. I don't want reparations, just an honest telling of history.

 

 

Anyway, sorry for going too off topic.

 

There is a slavery thread if people wish to talk about this more. My bad.

Well, they can ignore it if they don't find it interesting. But indeed, it is a bit of topic in a way.

 

However, I would like it if you re-read my statements, because I think the message didn't come through as it was meant. Anyway, isn't looking at each individual without a filter the acknowledgement of what they truly are?

 

I'm originally from Europe, but been around a little. I would say I'm from this planet. However, very often I have the idea I'm not from this planet.

[kilowon]

28 minutes ago, Ween Dwijler said:

Yeah, that is a bitter pill to swallow. A good thing is to find how it was possible that this man came to power. We have to see that one man alone can not do such a thing on his own. He needs sufficient support for that. One book that shines a bright light on the workings of tyranny, is that of Étienne de La Boétie - The Politics of Obedience a.k.a. The Discourse of Voluntary Servitude (written 1552-1553). You can find it as a free downloadable PDF in many places. A good read to help understand these kinds of mechanisms.

 

Agreed. There were genuine issues at that time between the wealthy mostly white landowners and the majority which were of African descent and relatively poor. He used this to his advantage. He had military support from the Tanzanian army as well as the communist bloc countries. Plus the British government just wanted out of Seychelles so they saw that as a way of washing their hands of the whole affairs while the French saw this as an opportunity to  get back their influence in Seychelles. It also helped that he was a freemason.

[Ween Dwijler]

1 minute ago, kilowon said:

Agreed. There were genuine issues at that time between the wealthy mostly white landowners and the majority which were of African descent and relatively poor. He used this to his advantage. He had military support from the Tanzanian army as well as the communist bloc countries. Plus the British government just wanted out of Seychelles so they saw that as a way of washing their hands of the whole affairs while the French saw this as an opportunity to  get back their influence in Seychelles. It also helped that he was a freemason.

A new forum item to discuss the Direct Democracy Model -

 

[kilowon]

8 minutes ago, Ween Dwijler said:

A new forum item to discuss the Direct Democracy Model -

 

i will contribute

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[soulalways]

11 hours ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

He has questioned their actions, usually low hanging fruit, but I don't think he has ever questioned who they are because he is some civnat that thinks everyone is the same, and that people don't have in-group preferences.

 

Will he ever ask why our leaders hate us so much? No, because in his eyes, there is nothing unique about me or my countrymen. We can just be replaced by anyone, as long as they like Britain.

 

Useful fvcking idiot I dunno, but definitely only goes so far, and doesn't care about our deracination or dispossesion, and will actually say you're the problem if you mention 2066.

 

That being said, not sure what I really expect. Someone that cares about the British is not going to have a big following on twitter with a blue checkmark. I guess his talking points are about as far as you can go in the spotlight without getting ruined.

 

The irony is, he still gets called a bigot regardless. even though he toes the line and doesn't say anything too controversial that would actually wake British people up to who is occupying us. Capitulation gets people nowhere.

well balanced comment

[soulalways]

1 hour ago, Diesel said:

You should understand that this reality itself is an illusion first and then you will understand that it was created and there is a creator. We are here to evolve our souls. I like what you say about a digital democracy, to use the tools designed to enslave us to empower us. But where we differ is on hope. I have a belief as do many that Good will overcome Evil. Not by sitting back we must fight for it but I do believe God is on our side. Why would you seek to destroy my hope and faith just because you have none? 

well said m8...if their is a power of the EVIL we have now then their is a power of GOOD...to me its a no brainer..whoever/whatever god is...could do with intervention at the moment..