Coronavirus Mega-Thread.

[Ween Dwijler]

2 minutes ago, Saved said:

Same. Looking back at the conversations I had with those who agreed it was a scam, and have since been jabbed, they were double-minded at the time we had those conversations because of FEAR. 

 

They just happened to hide that fear behind the hope that it was a scam. 

 

That hidden fear caused them to cave into the incessant propaganda as soon as they had the first opportunity (because of age group) to get jabbed.

 

Fear often causes people to either lie or believe a lie and wickedness feeds off that.

Fear leads to fight or flight. It's basic instinct. What we witness is not fear, it's the culmination of the decades of indoctrination that have made the majority into corporate robots, people giving up their soul in favor of the moral of the group, the herd. Erich Fromm wrote a very good book about that phenomenon in the 60's. It's called "The Fear of Freedom". I'm sure it can be found as free downloadable PDF somewhere. It might help to understand better what we are witnessing at the moment.

[Ween Dwijler]

3 minutes ago, Seeker said:

What solutions do you reckon there are? 

Look back a couple of posts and you will see my proposal for a possible solution.

[Saved]

13 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

The basic idea of the masses waking up? Not sure.

 

As for the 'Great Awakening', I don't know who coined the term, but it was popularized by Q folks, gatekeepers, shills, and Kabbalists.

 

https://amp.veneziatoday.it/eventi/festival-filosofia-antonio-livi-venezia-2021.html

 

Yep. 

 

If the light in you is darkness, how great is that darkness.

[Ween Dwijler]

You want to stop this? You can. Stop paying your taxes. Without it, no jets, no limousines. It's that simple.

 

https://www.rt.com/news/539018-cop26-private-jet-hypocrisy/

[EnigmaticWorld]

6 minutes ago, Saved said:

Yep. 

 

If the light in you is darkness, how great is that darkness.

 

Out reactions.

 

I feel like I'm stuck in a dualistic hell. It's a shame because this is one my favourite tracks, but these days I just think about the title.

 

 

[Ween Dwijler]

And another good example of what stop paying taxes could achieve. Without your financial support, this is NOT possible. Motorcade of 85 limousines! Unheard off.

 

https://www.rt.com/usa/538965-joe-biden-motorcade-climate-summit/

[EnigmaticWorld]

56 minutes ago, Seeker said:

It’s something David Icke said he talked about during his ayahuasca experience, that it would be like an alarm clock suddenly waking people up. I wish something like that was true, but I don’t see much sign of it, we are a loud minority at the moment sadly 

 

Unfortunately, I agree. That's why I haven't been about much over the past week. I have become too demoralized recently, and lost a lot of hope. Just been doing things to take my mind off how bleak things are.

 

I say to myself:

 

Imagine getting an injection from some corrupt corporations, developed and deployed suspiciously fast, where the pushers can't get in trouble. What kind of mind does it take to actually cuck yourself this hard, especially over something that is likely a nothingburger or a rebranded flu?

 

But then I remember, normies don't care if things don't make sense. They only care about the basics. If people start getting hungry then men might start taking action, but for now, they still have some grub and cheap entertainment to keep them occupied.

 

Most people are just NPCs reacting to basic stimuli. Mindless Hylic robots. You could show them the numbers since the start of the scam, but I doubt they would care. Kind of why I don't care about discussing the numbers anymore myself, because facts don't matter to most people, not important ones anyway.

 

Trying to wake them up is such a bloody uphill battle too. As with many unpleasant truths, you can't always just drop them into conversation. The average person needs the several layers of context, otherwise they will just dismiss you as a quack or a bigot. It's like chipping away at various layers of their programming, and they will resent you in the process, like the fight scene in 'They Live', or Orwell's quote about those telling the truth being hated.

Edited November 1, 2021 by EnigmaticWorld

[Ween Dwijler]

7 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Unfortunately, I agree. That's why I haven't been about much over the past week. I have become too demoralized recently, and lost a lot of hope. Just been doing things to take my mind off how bleak things are.

 

I say to myself:

 

Imagine getting an injection from some corrupt corporations, developed and deployed suspiciously fast, where the pushers can't get in trouble. What kind of mind does it take to actually cuck yourself this hard, especially over something that is likely a nothingburger or a rebranded flu.

 

But then I remember, normies don't care if things don't make sense. They only care about the basics. If people start getting hungry then men might start taking action, but for now, they still have some grub and cheap entertainment to keep them occupied.

 

Most people are just NPCs reacting to basic stimuli. Mindless Hylic robots. You could show them the numbers since the start of the scam, but I doubt they would care. Kind of why I don't care about discussing the numbers anymore myself, because facts don't matter to most people, not important ones anyway.

 

Trying to wake them up is such a bloody uphill battle too. As with many unpleasant truths, you can't always just drop them into conversation. The average person needs the several layers of context, otherwise they will just dismiss you as a quack or a bigot. It's like chipping away at various layers of their programming, and they will resent you in the process, like the fight scene in 'They Live', or Orwells quote about those telling the truth being hated.

Like Thomas Paine, Malcolm X, Gandhi, Mandela and more. The human brain is an evolutionary joke, doomed to end soon.

[EnigmaticWorld]

25 minutes ago, Ween Dwijler said:

Like Thomas Paine, Malcolm X, Gandhi, Mandela and more. The human brain is an evolutionary joke, doomed to end soon.

 

Either that, or the hidden hand is a master at figuring out what makes us tick, and how to manipulate our behaviour for their benefit.

 

I think a lot of people just think the enemy is going to be out in the open, declaring war on them so things are obvious. People are not trained to look for people that blend in, and destroy your nation from within.

Edited November 1, 2021 by EnigmaticWorld

[Ween Dwijler]

2 hours ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Either that, or the hidden hand is a master at figuring out what makes us tick, and how to manipulate our behaviour for their benefit.

 

I think a lot of people just think the enemy is going to be out in the open, declaring war on them so things are obvious. People are not trained to look for people that blend in, and destroy your nation from within.

Oh, they certainly know what makes us tick. The problem is, that most of us don't know what makes them tick. And most don't want to know. How they operate, what their objectives are, and what their ulterior motives are. Sun Tzu said "Know your enemy and know yourself. In a hundred battles, you will never be defeated." Since most don't want to know, the battle is lost before it even begins.

 

So, on one hand there are real solutions for us to get out of this mess but on the other hand the will to do it is not there. We have the power and the intelligence, but somehow chose to squander it for instant satisfaction. Human beings are the only species on Earth that, against better judgement, willingly subject themselves to slavery and tyranny.

 

I truly doubt if we make it into the 22nd century as a species. Yes, even half way this century is doubtful.

[alexa]

4 hours ago, Ween Dwijler said:

Personally, I don't think there is such an entity as a "creator". Certainly not one that gives rights. Never has there been any conclusive proof produced that supports that idea. So, the concept of a "creator" is based upon a believe. What is believe? The irrational assumption something is true, without having evidence for it.

 

There's no conclusive proof you say, just look around you at our beautiful earth, us and our cleverly designed bodies, where did it all come from if not by a creator ? To every positive there must be a negative, take a look at the Satanic side, the destroyer, big pharma, lies, chem-trails, murdering,

toxic vaccinations etc.

[kilowon]

4 hours ago, Ween Dwijler said:

Personally, I don't think there is such an entity as a "creator". Certainly not one that gives rights. Never has there been any conclusive proof produced that supports that idea. So, the concept of a "creator" is based upon a believe. What is believe? The irrational assumption something is true, without having evidence for it.

 

To see where believe has brought us, we only have to look around us. Believe in a creator, an almighty being that gives us rights only to see us squander those rights. Believe in "leaders" to guide us to a better world, only to see them turn into tyrants that abuse the very people that put their trust in them. And the most irrational of all, believe in politicians, that consistently lie to voters, before and after their election.

And it can get even more irrational, to the point of total absurdness. Believing a woman promising at the wedding day "I take thee, to be my wedded husband, to have and to hold from this day forward, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, till death do us part, according to God's holy ordinance; and thereto I pledge thee my faith."

 

So, I think if we just stop believing and start making rational decisions based upon solid evidence most of the problems we're dealing with will disappear. How would that work?

 

Ask for evidence, not the kind that can be manipulated with words or opinions, but the ones that speak for themselves by their mere existence in our perceivable reality. That's why parliamentary democracy doesn't work and never will. It invites corruption and compromises that are not giving the wanted results.

 

Today, we the people, have the most powerful tool for true, direct democracy at hand and squander it yet again. Internet technology makes it easily possible to install a true direct democracy, worldwide and locally. Anyone can launch an idea and put it up for voting. If a pre-defined threshold of votes is being reached, they're counted and based upon a rule of (for example) 70% Yay, the idea is adopted. If lower, not.

 

The best ideas are generally the simplest, so 1,700 pages of word salad will automatically be rejected. No one in his right mind would read it.

 

I'm not trying to be complete here and am sure the concept needs a lot of tweaking and work to become a viable solution for the future. But it is the best concept available for us, the people, to exercise our inalienable and inviolable rights that we have simply because we exist here and now. Not received from some "Eye in the Sky" (Alan Parsons Project).

I do not disagree with your assessment totally though I do believe that logically reality must have been created somehow. I think a lot of people like to personalize the creator because it make it easier for them. But I think if we look at near death experience etc, it is clear that there is a form of existence after this one. I personally adhere to Icke thoughts on the subject. I think the creator, first source, consciousness in awareness of itself or eternal dreamer or whatever you  wanna call it, is neutral. It does not dispend laws. I did come to that conclusion before I discover Icke so maybe it is confirmation bias but this is the concept, based on personal experience and research, that I choose to believe in. Of course, if new evidence come forth that show that I am mistaken  I will reconsider. I disagree that  direct democracy is a good thing. Democracy is simply mob rule. The majority get their way even if they are in majority by only one. 

[kilowon]

54 minutes ago, Ween Dwijler said:

Oh, they certainly know what makes us tick. The problem is, that most of us don't know what makes them tick. And most don't want to know. How they operate, what their objectives are, and what their ulterior motives are. Sun Tzu said "Know your enemy and know yourself. In a hundred battles, you will never be defeated." Since most don't want to know, the battle is lost before it even begins.

 

So, on one hand there are real solutions for us to get out of this mess but on the other hand the will to do it is not there. We have the power and the intelligence, but somehow chose to squander it for instant satisfaction. Human beings are the only species on Earth that, against better judgement, willingly subject themselves to slavery and tyranny.

 

I truly doubt if we make it into the 22nd century as a species. Yes, even half way this century is doubtful.

we will make it. But the question is whether we will be man or trans human.

[EnigmaticWorld]

53 minutes ago, Ween Dwijler said:

I truly doubt if we make it into the 22nd century as a species. Yes, even half way this century is doubtful.

 

I think some will, the ones that want this planet for themselves, plus some slaves, but the slaves won't resemble humans at that point. Once their minds are hooked into the smart system, they will probably start wishing for death, assuming they can even have individual thoughts at that point.

[kilowon]

10 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

I'm not sure its that simple as the founding fathers were being influenced by ideas from elsewhere such as those that led to the french revolution which were looking at the rights of the everyman

 

 

The founding fathers were just goffer for the death cult. They did as they were instructed. The French revolution was never a people revolution. It was engineered. The death cult had just decided that the monarchy was untenable and got in front of the possible people backlash which would have been a real revolution. The republic was always under their thumb. Hell, Napoleon rose after the french revolution.

[kilowon]

13 hours ago, Nathan Oakley said:

 So these people were part of the charade?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-48596605

 

People with haemophilia and other bleeding disorders were given blood infected with HIV and hepatitis viruses, during the 1970s and 1980s.

Not intentionally. I have research a lot of this and there is no actual evidence of any of those claims. Those people were sick and got used to push the AIDS narrative, a billion dollar scam that made many very wealthy including Fauci.

[kilowon]

3 hours ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Either that, or the hidden hand is a master at figuring out what makes us tick, and how to manipulate our behaviour for their benefit.

 

I think a lot of people just think the enemy is going to be out in the open, declaring war on them so things are obvious. People are not trained to look for people that blend in, and destroy your nation from within.

Don Juan, the Mexican Yaqui Indian shaman, tells Carlos Castaneda the following:

""We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos and took over the
rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners. The predator is our lord and
master. It has rendered us docile, helpless. If we want to protest, it suppresses our
protest. If we want to act independently, it demands that we don't do so... I have
been beating around the bush all this time, insinuating to you that something is
holding us prisoner. Indeed we are held prisoner!

"This was an energetic fact for the sorcerers of ancient Mexico ... They took us
over because we are food for them, and they squeeze us mercilessly because we are
their sustenance. Just as we rear chickens in chicken coops, the predators rear us in
human coops, humaneros. Therefore, their food is always available to them."

"No, no, no, no," [Carlos replies] "This is absurd don Juan. What you're saying is
something monstrous. It simply can't be true, for sorcerers or for average men, or
for anyone."

"Why not?" don Juan asked calmly. "Why not? Because it infuriates you? ... You
haven't heard all the claims yet. I want to appeal to your analytical mind. Think for
a moment, and tell me how you would explain the contradictions between the
intelligence of man the engineer and the stupidity of his systems of beliefs, or the
stupidity of his contradictory behaviour. Sorcerers believe that the predators have
given us our systems of belief, our ideas of good and evil, our social mores. They
are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations and dreams of success or
failure. They have given us covetousness, greed, and cowardice. It is the predators
who make us complacent, routinary, and egomaniacal."

'"But how can they do this, don Juan?' [Carlos] asked, somehow angered further
by what [don Juan] was saying. "Do they whisper all that in our ears while we are
asleep?"

"'No, they don't do it that way. That's idiotic!" don Juan said, smiling. "They are
infinitely more efficient and organized than that. In order to keep us obedient and
meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous manoeuvre -stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist. A horrendous
manoeuvre from the point of view of those who suffer it. They gave us their mind!
Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind. The
predators' mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, filled with the fear of being
discovered any minute now."

"I know that even though you have never suffered hunger... you have food
anxiety, which is none other than the anxiety of the predator who fears that any
moment now its manoeuvre is going to be uncovered and food is going to be
denied. Through the mind, which, after all, is their mind, the predators inject into
the lives of human beings whatever is convenient for them. And they ensure, in this
manner, a degree of security to act as a buffer against their fear."

"The sorcerers of ancient Mexico were quite ill at ease with the idea of when [the
predator] made its appearance on Earth. They reasoned that man must have been a
complete being at one point, with stupendous insights, feats of awareness that are
mythological legends nowadays. And then, everything seems to disappear, and we
have now a sedated man. What I'm saying is that what we have against us is not a
simple predator. It is very smart, and organized. It follows a methodical system to
render us useless. Man, the magical being that he is destined to be, is no longer
magical. He's an average piece of meat."

"There are no more dreams for man but the dreams of an animal who is being
raised to become a piece of meat: trite, conventional, imbecilic."

[EnigmaticWorld]

14 minutes ago, kilowon said:

Don Juan, the Mexican Yaqui Indian shaman, tells Carlos Castaneda the following:

""We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos and took over the
rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners. The predator is our lord and
master. It has rendered us docile, helpless. If we want to protest, it suppresses our
protest. If we want to act independently, it demands that we don't do so... I have
been beating around the bush all this time, insinuating to you that something is
holding us prisoner. Indeed we are held prisoner!

"This was an energetic fact for the sorcerers of ancient Mexico ... They took us
over because we are food for them, and they squeeze us mercilessly because we are
their sustenance. Just as we rear chickens in chicken coops, the predators rear us in
human coops, humaneros. Therefore, their food is always available to them."

"No, no, no, no," [Carlos replies] "This is absurd don Juan. What you're saying is
something monstrous. It simply can't be true, for sorcerers or for average men, or
for anyone."

"Why not?" don Juan asked calmly. "Why not? Because it infuriates you? ... You
haven't heard all the claims yet. I want to appeal to your analytical mind. Think for
a moment, and tell me how you would explain the contradictions between the
intelligence of man the engineer and the stupidity of his systems of beliefs, or the
stupidity of his contradictory behaviour. Sorcerers believe that the predators have
given us our systems of belief, our ideas of good and evil, our social mores. They
are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations and dreams of success or
failure. They have given us covetousness, greed, and cowardice. It is the predators
who make us complacent, routinary, and egomaniacal."

'"But how can they do this, don Juan?' [Carlos] asked, somehow angered further
by what [don Juan] was saying. "Do they whisper all that in our ears while we are
asleep?"

"'No, they don't do it that way. That's idiotic!" don Juan said, smiling. "They are
infinitely more efficient and organized than that. In order to keep us obedient and
meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous manoeuvre -stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist. A horrendous
manoeuvre from the point of view of those who suffer it. They gave us their mind!
Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind. The
predators' mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, filled with the fear of being
discovered any minute now."

"I know that even though you have never suffered hunger... you have food
anxiety, which is none other than the anxiety of the predator who fears that any
moment now its manoeuvre is going to be uncovered and food is going to be
denied. Through the mind, which, after all, is their mind, the predators inject into
the lives of human beings whatever is convenient for them. And they ensure, in this
manner, a degree of security to act as a buffer against their fear."

"The sorcerers of ancient Mexico were quite ill at ease with the idea of when [the
predator] made its appearance on Earth. They reasoned that man must have been a
complete being at one point, with stupendous insights, feats of awareness that are
mythological legends nowadays. And then, everything seems to disappear, and we
have now a sedated man. What I'm saying is that what we have against us is not a
simple predator. It is very smart, and organized. It follows a methodical system to
render us useless. Man, the magical being that he is destined to be, is no longer
magical. He's an average piece of meat."

"There are no more dreams for man but the dreams of an animal who is being
raised to become a piece of meat: trite, conventional, imbecilic."

 

Interesting, but I was thinking about a different kind of predatory behaviour.

 

 

 

I wouldn't write off something from the depths of the cosmos, but people shouldn't ignore the work of men either though, and how greedy the arseholes that want the world to themselves are. There are people that have been warring with us for millennia, but the normie has forgot because they have cultural amnesia from all their programming and brainwashing.

 

People here might not care about tribalism, but best believe our oppressors do.

[Sheepy]

5 hours ago, Ween Dwijler said:

The Fear of Freedom

Which is exactly what is creating cults, by direct democracy it is an offer of freedom, it is an offer to choose your own destiny which frightens the pants off of the cult of Westminster. Who have no intention of letting you take a vote and choosing what is best for you, it isn't mob rule because you can choose to vote yes or no on each individual policy, what it does do though is return the power to the people and freedom to choose how you will vote on any piece of legislation, which can be proposed by anyone, it frightens the establishment into doing crazy things backed by their minions in the media and every other establishment outlet. Because it removes their control over democracy. Which let's be honest, they have turned that into a cult. 

Edited November 1, 2021 by Sheepy

[Ween Dwijler]

1 hour ago, alexa said:

 

There's no conclusive proof you say, just look around you at our beautiful earth, us and our cleverly designed bodies, where did it all come from if not by a creator ? To every positive there must be a negative, take a look at the Satanic side, the destroyer, big pharma, lies, chem-trails, murdering,

toxic vaccinations etc.

Nature does its thing without any notion of positive or negative. Why would there be the need for a "creator"? It's a human thing, a pathetic attempt to make an imaginary entity responsible so we can blame and escape our own responsibilities. An imaginary entity to give meaning to our lives, because we fail to do it ourselves.

 

What if there is no meaning in life, other than that what you give it yourself? Try to imagine that and feel the utter freedom that will flow through you once you realize the power you have over your own life.

[Sheepy]

4 hours ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

Either that, or the hidden hand is a master at figuring out what makes us tick

AS though that is some kind of rocket science, they just take your base fears and turn them on you, which is why they use psychology on you more and more, because you are only human.

[kilowon]

32 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Interesting, but I was thinking about a different kind of predatory behaviour.

 

 

 

I wouldn't write off something from the depths of the cosmos, but people shouldn't ignore the work of men either though, and how greedy the arseholes that want the world to themselves are. There are people that have been warring with us for millennia, but the normie has forgot because they have cultural amnesia from all their programming and brainwashing.

 

People here might not care about tribalism, but best believe our oppressors do.

I personally believe that evil is not natural to Man. I think it is the spiritual distortion that is the cause of evil in Man. All those arsehole you mentioned, are actually under the spell of that distortion.

[EnigmaticWorld]

4 minutes ago, Sheepy said:

AS though that is some kind of rocket science, they just take your base fears and turn them on you, which is why they use psychology on you more and more, because you are only human.

 

I can't speak for everyone, but it probably seems like rocket science to the average deracinated European that has no in-group preference. The evil doers probably understand our tribal nature more than us, because we have forgot who we are. We have been brainwashed to be hyperindividualistic, and don't think in terms of groups. Hence why the South Eastern Asians think we're nuts and suicidal.

 

 

Tell the average European that there is a group that holds a 2000 year old grudge against us, and that they have been scheming to destroy us for such an insane amount of time. The European won't even be able to entertain such an idea and will just think it's insane, because they don't have the layers and layers of context, and they won't even look into it because it's not politically correct. They care more about being accused of thought crime than asking how things got like this.

[Ween Dwijler]

1 hour ago, kilowon said:

I do not disagree with your assessment totally though I do believe that logically reality must have been created somehow. I think a lot of people like to personalize the creator because it make it easier for them. But I think if we look at near death experience etc, it is clear that there is a form of existence after this one. I personally adhere to Icke thoughts on the subject. I think the creator, first source, consciousness in awareness of itself or eternal dreamer or whatever you  wanna call it, is neutral. It does not dispend laws. I did come to that conclusion before I discover Icke so maybe it is confirmation bias but this is the concept, based on personal experience and research, that I choose to believe in. Of course, if new evidence come forth that show that I am mistaken  I will reconsider. I disagree that  direct democracy is a good thing. Democracy is simply mob rule. The majority get their way even if they are in majority by only one. 

The reality as you perceive it, is completely different from that of an insect (with infrared vision), a dog that can only see in shades of grey but hears X times more than you do, or an animal that can smell X times more than you do. We can, with confidence, assume that what we hear, smell, feel, and see is not the reality. Your, or my, reality is formed inside our brains, that simply tries to make sense of the input it receives. This doesn't mean there is no such thing as a universal reality, it is just beyond our understanding at the moment. This is what true science tries to solve.

 

Democracy can be applied on many levels. That of a household, a small community, a geographical area, within a cultural group, all the way up to planet wide levels. Planet wide levels of democracy should be only used for very broad formulated principles or ideas. For example; a decision to go into space exploration would be a worldwide decision to make. It affects everyone and everything. But the decision to build a local road in the village can be made on village level. What you eat tonight is a decision you and your partner can make together. You have to forget the 50+1 majority democracy, though. I was more thinking about 70% or even more that have to agree democratically about an issue.

 

But as I said before, it is a starting concept that still needs a lot of work and discussions before it becomes mature enough to be considered. We have to start somewhere.

[kilowon]

16 minutes ago, Ween Dwijler said:

Nature does its thing without any notion of positive or negative. Why would there be the need for a "creator"? It's a human thing, a pathetic attempt to make an imaginary entity responsible so we can blame and escape our own responsibilities. An imaginary entity to give meaning to our lives, because we fail to do it ourselves.

 

What if there is no meaning in life, other than that what you give it yourself? Try to imagine that and feel the utter freedom that will flow through you once you realize the power you have over your own life.

But I feel that  utter freedom even if I believe that reality was created. Not by an old man with a beard, but by spirit, which I believe is the basis of all reality. What in quantum theory they call The Field. A basic building block of all. The state of oneness as some like to call it. If there is no meaning to life then what is to stop us from using and abusing those around us  guilt free since there will be no consequence for our actions?