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18 minutes ago, ally_uk said:

You are starting to look like clowns with false propaganda and misinformation..... 

 

My source was the UK government. Let me quote again "recent observations from UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) surveillance data that N antibody levels appear to be lower in individuals who acquire infection following 2 doses of vaccination"

 

If you are not producing antibodies due to a damaged immune system against nucleocapsid protein then you could be susceptible to other viruses such as measles, flu, HIV, Ebola and variants of Covid19 (assuming it exists). 

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38 minutes ago, Ergo Storm said:

 

Well don't look at me.  I don't know.  It's a very good question but the answer you will receive is a series of riddles within a paradox wrapped in a contradiction.  The bottom-line is: If the vaccine either allows immunity, or if not that, at least significantly diminishes the risk of infection, then what business is it of theirs if I, as an informed adult of mature age, refuse the vaccine?  They are already protected.

 

Their answer, I think, is to point to the possibility of variant mutations among a large unvaccinated population that could then circumvent their own sterilised or effective immunity, but that argument falls down when you realise that, for virtually everybody who contracts it, the infection is not lethal or even serious in the first place.  You could just as well argue against vaccination at this stage on the basis that it disrupts the natural process of immunity and viral evolution that would normally kill off the infection without any drug-based intervention.  Vaccines are meant for endemic infections, and only then where the seriousness of the illness justifies the cost and expense.

It would be interesting to hear Ally reply to this in a reasoned and non emotional way and without resorting to silly name calling.

 

Over to you Ally - you are here and the floor is yours ...

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56 minutes ago, Ergo Storm said:

 

Well don't look at me.  I don't know.  It's a very good question but the answer you will receive is a series of riddles within a paradox wrapped in a contradiction.  The bottom-line is: If the vaccine either allows immunity, or if not that, at least significantly diminishes the risk of infection, then what business is it of theirs if I, as an informed adult of mature age, refuse the vaccine?  They are already protected.

 

 

"...the answer you will receive is a series of riddles within a paradox wrapped in a contradiction."

 

I like that, spot on. Hope you don't mind me nicking it!

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This is over an hour of vaccine adverse reactions in Israel.

 

Uploaded onto Youtube today, but I doubt if it will stay there for long.

 

"I cannot emphasize enough how important it is that we maximise the number of people who see this truly harrowing documentary about the serious and fatal adverse events caused by mandatory vaxx policy in Israel. This film has already been banned from the Israeli media because the testimony it so diligently documents is simply incontestable, on the basis that it focuses on the witness statements of the survivors and the family members of those who have died shortly after being vaxxed."

 

 

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1 hour ago, ally_uk said:

So what will you do when Bill Gates and Co make life unbearable.... 

 

Are you going to form another society? I don't see how sitting on a forum is productive... 

 

Surely if 1984 was being ushered in you would collectively take some form of action.....

 

Baiting posters is not a good look.

 

Inciting violent action? 

 

Ooh maybe someone will reply and that will help the forum get taken down in the name of "public safety" or "hate crimes".

 

Here we go again.

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A friend of mine is in hospital with myocarditis.

 

He’s 22 years of age and was double jabbed by July. Only now has it reared it’s head.

 

Food for thought for those who think they’re safe after not experiencing any immediate issues.

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Real posts from retard forum, I really despair at how people are this delusional and out of touch with reality.

 

Parker231 Fri 22-Oct-21 09:27:25
 

The 54 year old father of a friend was buried this week. A Covid death which should have never happened.
Deaths obviously happen but if the pandemic had been handled better some of these Covid deaths could have been prevented, less strain on the NHS and more beds available for other patients

 

MarshaBradyo Fri 22-Oct-21 09:29:20

 

Parker231

The 54 year old father of a friend was buried this week. A Covid death which should have never happened.
Deaths obviously happen but if the pandemic had been handled better some of these Covid deaths could have been prevented, less strain on the NHS and more beds available for other patients

 

That is very sad, can I ask was he vaccinated?

 

@MarshaBradyo He was double vaccinated with no underlying health conditions. His daughter is getting married at Christmas, now without her father 

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6 hours ago, ally_uk said:

 

You believe this guy 🤣🤣🤣

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/619734/

 

Okkkkkkay then..... 🙄🙄🙄

 

Yeah - looks like he knows what he is talking about:

 

The abridged version is that when Malone was a graduate student in biology in the late 1980s at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies, he injected genetic material—DNA and RNA—into the cells of mice in hopes of creating a new kind of vaccine. He was the first author on a 1989 paper demonstrating how RNA could be delivered into cells using lipids, which are basically tiny globules of fat, and a co-author on a 1990 Science paper showing that if you inject pure RNA or DNA into mouse muscle cells, it can lead to the transcription of new proteins. If the same approach worked for human cells, the latter paper said in its conclusion, this technology “may provide alternative approaches to vaccine development.”

These two studies do indeed represent seminal work in the field of gene transfer, according to Rein Verbeke, a postdoctoral fellow at Ghent University, in Belgium, and the lead author of a 2019 history of mRNA-vaccine development. (Indeed, Malone’s studies are the first two references in Verbeke’s paper, out of 224 in total.) Verbeke told me he believes that Malone and his co-authors “sparked for the first time the hope that mRNA could have potential as a new drug class,” though he also notes that “the achievement of the mRNA vaccines of today is the accomplishment of a lot of collaborative efforts.”

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3 minutes ago, CosmoGenesis said:

Real posts from retard forum, I really despair at how people are this delusional and out of touch with reality.

 

Parker231 Fri 22-Oct-21 09:27:25
 

The 54 year old father of a friend was buried this week. A Covid death which should have never happened.
Deaths obviously happen but if the pandemic had been handled better some of these Covid deaths could have been prevented, less strain on the NHS and more beds available for other patients

 

MarshaBradyo Fri 22-Oct-21 09:29:20

 

Parker231

The 54 year old father of a friend was buried this week. A Covid death which should have never happened.
Deaths obviously happen but if the pandemic had been handled better some of these Covid deaths could have been prevented, less strain on the NHS and more beds available for other patients

 

That is very sad, can I ask was he vaccinated?

 

@MarshaBradyo He was double vaccinated with no underlying health conditions. His daughter is getting married at Christmas, now without her father 

 

My granddad lived to 84 and my grandmother 81 on my fathers side. They did not eat healthy or live a modern healthy life style I can tell you that much.

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Robert S. Mendelsohn (July 13, 1926 – April 5, 1988) was an American pediatrician, anti-vaccinationist and critic of medical paternalism. He denounced unnecessary and radical surgical procedures and dangerous medications, reminding his readers of public health failures such as the 1976 swine flu outbreak and the damage caused to daughters of women who took the drug Diethylstilbestrol during pregnancy.[1] He portrayed doctors as powerful priests of a primitive religion, with dishonesty as its central ethic. His mild manner appealed to the public, while his message infuriated his medical colleagues.[2]

(wikipedia)

 

Robert Mendelsohn – The First Anti-Vaccine Pediatrician

Robert Mendelsohn (1926 – 1988) is typically remembered as the first anti-vaccine pediatrician.

A self-described “medical heretic,” Dr. Mendelsohn was against ultrasounds in pregnancy, “water fluoridation, immunization, coronary bypass surgery, licensing of nutritionists, and screening examinations to detect breast cancer.”

He believed that vaccines didn’t work, even though he lived through the polio epidemics, development of the polio vaccines, and elimination of polio in the United States:

The greatest threat of childhood diseases lies in the dangerous and ineffectual efforts made to prevent them through mass immunization. There is no convincing scientific evidence that mass inoculations can be credited with eliminating any childhood disease.

Much like when Jenny McCarthy went on Oprah to talk about how vaccines made her child autistic, Dr. Mendelsohn was a frequent guest on TV talk shows, scaring parents in the 1970s and 80s.

He famously appeared on Phil Donahue, prompting a follow-up program with spokespeople from the American Academy of Pediatrics to correct Mendelsohn’s misinformation about vaccines.

Most importantly though, he appeared as an “expert” in Vaccine Roulette, falsely calling the pertussis vaccine “probably the poorest and most dangerous vaccine that we now have.”

He appeared on over 500 TV and radio shows, published five books, including How To Raise a Healthy Child In Spite of Your Doctor, and even had his own syndicated newspaper column.

https://vaxopedia.org/2016/10/05/robert-mendelsohn/

 

(couldn't find an independent/ less biased obituary )

 

 

Sounds like an American version of Vernon Coleman. Wish there were more like this.

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2 hours ago, SimonTV said:

I picked a chest and sinus infection up from someone who was double vaccinated and had a visible cough/chest infection who I had to remain in the car with for 2 hours. My sinus had mucous that was very spicy or burning. It quickly went to my chest. I did not feel sick or have upset stomach. I did want to lie down a few times but did not get the shivers. I took Vid d 4000 and zinc 15mg tablet and 25mg zinc lozenge and two oranges per day and I was over it within a few days. The coughing was at one point very concerning not continuous but a weird type of a cough and some of the most ugly mucous I have ever seen. Some with visible black things in it. I am back down to 25mg zinc now but will continue taking that and vid d until it is gone. Plus I have to spend more time in the car with the same guy but I gave him my zinc lozenge and now he says his cough is gone or going. Hopefully that was the end of it. 

Hope you continue to improve, as I'm sure you will.

 

It's important to note, the common cold/flu still exist. Maintaining a healthy diet and taking supplements, such as your Zinc lozenges, as well as trying your best to keep your stress levels in check, are still good and proven preventative measures. 

 

Also important to note is how many seasonal allergy reations mimic the side effects one experiences with a cold or flu. Not just watery eyes and sniffles, but coughs, sore throats, ect.

 

I always like to have very spicy soup to help naturally clear out the sinuses. Just have a box of tissues at the ready.

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