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2 minutes ago, Captainlove said:

If this is a real goverment report then its what i thought all along. Natural protection is always the best.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1027511/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-42.pdf

 

pg 23 ) "recent observations from UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) surveillance data that N antibody levels appear to be lower in individuals who acquire infection following 2 doses of vaccination"

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The vaccinated dropping off this coil can be camouflaged.

When people die it is usually behind closed doors.

Stats do the rest!

 

There may be more to not wanting the unvaccinated in hospitals.... (speculative)

 

TRUST AUTHORITY !

 

[Authority - the immoral concept that fraudulently legitimises coercion.

Not to be confused with the same phrase used to confer expertise!]

 

 

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35 minutes ago, Moon Monkey said:

That's exactly what happened in the animal trials. They all succumbed to the wild virus that they were vaccinated for.

i wonder what the additional toxin was in the jab for the animals?

 

squalene? graphene oxide? mercury/aluminium mix? some other necro toxin?

 

i think there is alot more behind this story of the trials.

 

In fact if the 'wild virus' somehow infected the animals where is the golden proof of infection and contagion?????

 

i suggest that the animals were deliberately massacred using  a toxin within the jab and this toxin was hidden from the study writeup. The wild virus was wild speculation as to why the animals had a complete body collapse.

 

i dont wanna sound like 'double conspiracy smoke-mirrors' guy but its a story that has many BIG QUESTIONS attached to it

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8 minutes ago, zArk said:

i wonder what the additional toxin was in the jab for the animals?

 

squalene? graphene oxide? mercury/aluminium mix? some other necro toxin?

 

i think there is alot more behind this story of the trials.

 

In fact if the 'wild virus' somehow infected the animals where is the golden proof of infection and contagion?????

 

i suggest that the animals were deliberately massacred using  a toxin within the jab and this toxin was hidden from the study writeup. The wild virus was wild speculation as to why the animals had a complete body collapse.

 

i dont wanna sound like 'double conspiracy smoke-mirrors' guy but its a story that has many BIG QUESTIONS attached to it

 

Interesting you mention Squalene, I was watching this the other day from 2009...

 

"In this clip Jesse Ventura talks to Dr. Laibow about the elite's plan to create a #Pandemic through innoculation. According to the doctor, they will use a nasal vaccination to infect the first carriers. These carriers will then infect the rest of the population.

The government's response will be to create a vaccine, but there will not be enough to go around. The government will add #Squalene to vaccine supplies, which will ultimately lead to sterilization AND depopulation. Those who survive will be sterile...according to the good doctor."

 

https://otwtube.com/video/1279/pandemic-predicted-in-2009-jesse-ventura-s-conspiracy-theory

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Apologies if this has already been posted, but here we have another Platinum Standard Cunt 'teaching' a class:

 

 

Frankly, if that doesn't earn at least two scissor-kicks to the jappers, then the art of scissor-kicking is in decline.

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4 hours ago, ally_uk said:

He does have a valid point why the hostility when somebody challenges the view point you have..... 

 

What is the basis for the theories? 

 

A couple of videos on brand new tube,  Some idiotic pretend doctor monopolising the audience with silly nonsensical theories...... 

 

I have noticed it with all you conspiracy dudes you immediately become butthurt when challenged....

 

Millions have had the jab..... are they keeling over? 

 

If you were that worried about it you would get organised and assemble not sitting on a Internet forum......

 

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Millions have had the jab and about 40 000 have keeled over dead and over 3 000 000 have had bad side effects. As there is no longterm data as to what will happen in the future, I would stop laughing if I were you, you should be worried.

I also agree that this is an anti mRNA thread and personally I come here for refuge from all the pro jab propaganda. If you want a medal and a pat on the back, try joining a mainstream forum.

It's like trying to get away from kids in a pub after 10 p.m and someone brings in a toddler running around screaming. Where can we get away from you pro russian roulette people?

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1 hour ago, Soandso said:

 

No hostility here, id like to here your point of veiw along with some of your sources to back up your what your saying.

 

This forum has alot of opinions which hold no water. Perhaps like this shpeel.

But its also a fantastic archive of links science papers, data , Crossrefrence,  msm articles , wacky articles, a spectrum of podcast links. Its a good timeline of events. Its not one sided. There is alot of mainstream media links posted here. Both sides of the argument is presented via links. Not necessarily by the opinions of the posters.

 

So i welcome your input on this page, Provided you back up what your saying and stop the unproductive taunting. Some Sincerity.

 

This is a confusing and hard time psycologicaly for either  "side" . Im personally finding it challeneging. 

My pre covid vison of my future is shatterd.

Ive always found it hard to trust the goverment. Always and still scandal after scandal. Why should in turn trust the scientists they instate. Where do we start with the medias bias, the onesided censorship, the closure of polarized conversation.

 

We are one no matter what. End of. We need to start speaking to one another with respect. Otherwise is just going to be unending misery, and we will just get good and better at hating each other until, god knows.

When did vaccination status ever divide us? 

Sucessful and failed Vaccines have been around for along time. Never divided us. Never been an issue for people to not have flu vaccine. People who didnt have to flu vaccine werent seen as selfish and a danger to others and portrayed as selfish heathens who dont care about others.

 

Its a shame we didnt all just not comply and flex public power and somehow topple the hierarchy.

But we didnt. Lets get over it.

we need to start understanding one another what ever choice they made.

Calling people cunts and this and that. Its not good communication. Its futile. And no one will listens to a hot head, never mind takes on board what they saying. I know this all too well...

 

 

 

Personally, I'm inclined to a more down-to-earth view of things, in that I think it's classic mass hysteria.  But even if the theories about it all are true, the outcome is the same.

 

We're fucked.

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1 hour ago, Diesel said:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1027511/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-42.pdf

 

pg 23 ) "recent observations from UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) surveillance data that N antibody levels appear to be lower in individuals who acquire infection following 2 doses of vaccination"

Now if I was to post that link on Facebook - even with no supporting words whatsoever - it would be deemed misinformation and would be removed. It has happened when I've linked to CDC, WHO, .gov and ONS pages.

 

People on that platform are hard-pressed to form an opinion that isn't completely closed to being challenged.

 

Therefore, the hundred or so people I know who are jabbed - and use Facebook - are oblivious to any facts and only have each other's MSM and government regurgitated information with which to come to a decision (but not the government information that has to be dug from hard ground and would NEVER make it onto a 5pm press conference to the nation on the television).

 

The information they have spoon fed to them in their living rooms is largely based on the findings of computer modellers and behavioural scientists - that's where all the SCARY graphs and numbers come from.

 

Therefore, a hundred jabbed 'friends and family' on a heavily censored and controlled platform are no legitimate marker as to why I should be jabbed. Yet between them, as they have yet to drop dead of the flu, they validate each other as proof positive that they made the right decision.

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45 minutes ago, zarkov said:

 

That 7% ?

Go on, go on go on go on go on go on.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/IYLh7j5lnO3k/

 

 

 

Not sure how the unvaccinated could be having an impact on anything because they are not permitted to healthcare or most services already it seems... They must be confused. Just the same the people wearing masks are not the ones getting tested because they think the tests are a fraud. It is the vaccinated that are permitted in the hospital and the vaccinated that are taking the tests. 

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1 hour ago, zArk said:

i wonder what the additional toxin was in the jab for the animals?

 

squalene? graphene oxide? mercury/aluminium mix? some other necro toxin?

 

i think there is alot more behind this story of the trials.

 

In fact if the 'wild virus' somehow infected the animals where is the golden proof of infection and contagion?????

 

i suggest that the animals were deliberately massacred using  a toxin within the jab and this toxin was hidden from the study writeup. The wild virus was wild speculation as to why the animals had a complete body collapse.

 

i dont wanna sound like 'double conspiracy smoke-mirrors' guy but its a story that has many BIG QUESTIONS attached to it

 

 

Missing factor I believe to be electro magnetic radiation - pulsed and modulated.

By modulating they can control and predict outbreaks and thereby control the narrative entirely.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, zarkov said:

The vaccinated dropping off this coil can be camouflaged.

When people die it is usually behind closed doors.

Stats do the rest!

 

There may be more to not wanting the unvaccinated in hospitals.... (speculative)

 

TRUST AUTHORITY !

 

[Authority - the immoral concept that fraudulently legitimises coercion.

Not to be confused with the same phrase used to confer expertise!]

 

 

 

I don't doubt that's true, but they simply don't care because they have created a manipulated social reality.  In truth, this phenomenon of a 'manipulated social reality' dates back at least 2,000 years.  It is an inherited mindset that maybe 98% of people adopt, and they believe in it, even if they know it can't be true.  Knowing it can't be true even helps them believe it is true.  It's a religious phenomenon wrapped up in genetic decline (industrialisation, antibiotics, medicine, etc. have weakened us genetically).

 

Some people on here argue that people are stupid.  I reiterate my disagreement.  What we are faced with isn't stupidity.  To illustrate in very simple terms: if you know that a man is in charge and if you don't do what he says you will be shunned and starve or even be killed, arguably it is rationally smart to go along with what the Big Man says, and eventually there comes a point that you believe in what he says, even if what he says is utterly ridiculous in rational terms.  That's smart behaviour!  It's smart in at least a Darwinian sense because you are preserving your genes.

 

The price you pay is dysgenic replication over which you have no control.  Since it is adaptively advantageous to conform to the Big Man, gradually the population adapts genetically to this selective pressure.  Thus it becomes 'smart' to wear a face covering and 'dumb' not to.

 

We are the dumb ones!  In a technical sense. 

 

Of course, all of that is turned on its head if the drug called a 'vaccination' is harmful to health and even kills or disables people as a matter of course, or renders them infertile, or whatever.  In which case, the Darwinian principle doesn't fail, it's just that the 'dumb' ones who refused to listen when told not to put their hands in the fire and wanted to try it out for themselves turned out to be right for a change.  But I suspect it doesn't and that the cases we see of this are the standard anomalous cases that occur with any drug.  I make this argument because I believe the true purpose of all this is the enforcement of social conformity, using a mixture of law and peer pressure.  People are being kept down for the sake of being kept down, and it is surely possible that just as a dog likes to be put in its place, so many human beings prefer to be subservient and obedient and like to do their bit to impose the same on others while showing their masters what good 'dogs' they are.

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45 minutes ago, wingwang said:

 

Interesting you mention Squalene, I was watching this the other day from 2009...

 

"In this clip Jesse Ventura talks to Dr. Laibow about the elite's plan to create a #Pandemic through innoculation. According to the doctor, they will use a nasal vaccination to infect the first carriers. These carriers will then infect the rest of the population.

The government's response will be to create a vaccine, but there will not be enough to go around. The government will add #Squalene to vaccine supplies, which will ultimately lead to sterilization AND depopulation. Those who survive will be sterile...according to the good doctor."

 

https://otwtube.com/video/1279/pandemic-predicted-in-2009-jesse-ventura-s-conspiracy-theory

vaccine syndrome  << documentary on Anthrax Vaccine in military

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So what will you do when Bill Gates and Co make life unbearable.... 

 

Are you going to form another society? I don't see how sitting on a forum is productive... 

 

Surely if 1984 was being ushered in you would collectively take some form of action.....

 

If this truly was a depopulation jab people would be dropping left right and centre come on now bois get in the real world. 

 

Millions let me repeat millions have had the jab..... 

 

You are starting to look like clowns with false propaganda and misinformation..... 

 

 

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On 9/13/2021 at 8:42 PM, DaleP said:

Well Lauraine has 10 grandchildren. Good news, it looks like she is a real person. I'd shove a monster gobsmacker in her mouth.

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https://www.gofundme.com/f/6fqxk8-get-grandson-new-computer-for-university

 

as if a fake personae would be created

 

 
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Public health emergency was announced march 16th

 

Just saying that psycho grass goody goody twoshoes Lauraine picked a funny time to crowdfund a computer

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4 minutes ago, Saved said:

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Well don't look at me.  I don't know.  It's a very good question but the answer you will receive is a series of riddles within a paradox wrapped in a contradiction.  The bottom-line is: If the vaccine either allows immunity, or if not that, at least significantly diminishes the risk of infection, then what business is it of theirs if I, as an informed adult of mature age, refuse the vaccine?  They are already protected.

 

Their answer, I think, is to point to the possibility of variant mutations among a large unvaccinated population that could then circumvent their own sterilised or effective immunity, but that argument falls down when you realise that, for virtually everybody who contracts it, the infection is not lethal or even serious in the first place.  You could just as well argue against vaccination at this stage on the basis that it disrupts the natural process of immunity and viral evolution that would normally kill off the infection without any drug-based intervention.  Vaccines are meant for endemic infections, and only then where the seriousness of the illness justifies the cost and expense.

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This alley_uk individual is clearly here to act as an agitator/instigator and nothing more. Responding to and interacting with this individual only serves to bring you down to their level. I, for one, am not bothered by this individual's pro "vaccine" stance. In fact, I welcome opposing views, as I feel it is important to have a better understanding of the mindset of these individuals. Though, it is rather chilling at times to witness the faith and trust such persons have in their governments and other "authority figures" in general.

 

As I mentioned previously, it can be chilling to know that at least half of the population does believe in the "vaccines" and the Covid pandemic narrative. Plus, their side has the support of the world governments and mainstream media. Even if these individuals are a lesser half of the population, with support from governments/MSM, they have the advantage of seeming to be a majority. It is that illusion that propels the fence sitters to go along with the program. All the more reason for those of us who are against the government shots to take the high road and to act with even more decorum. No insulting retorts, name-calling, no profanity. Don't wish ill upon those who've decided to take the government shots. Pray for them, for their families. Understand they have been infected by massive government propaganda. They are very much like individuals who have been taken over by a cult. Even as they suffer life altering side effects, they still give thanks and praise to the all mighty "vaccines".

 

I would hate to see this forum become nothing more than an echo chamber with a hive-mindset. Persons, such as alley_uk, only become a nuisance when others take the bait and engage in petty bickering. By allowing such persons to make their comments, letting it be unchallenged, does not mean they "won" anything. Their ignorance (if their comment was indeed ignorant) will do just fine standing on it's own. 

 

 

 

 

 

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I picked a chest and sinus infection up from someone who was double vaccinated and had a visible cough/chest infection who I had to remain in the car with for 2 hours. My sinus had mucous that was very spicy or burning. It quickly went to my chest. I did not feel sick or have upset stomach. I did want to lie down a few times but did not get the shivers. I took Vid d 4000 and zinc 15mg tablet and 25mg zinc lozenge and two oranges per day and I was over it within a few days. The coughing was at one point very concerning not continuous but a weird type of a cough and some of the most ugly mucous I have ever seen. Some with visible black things in it. I am back down to 25mg zinc now but will continue taking that and vid d until it is gone. Plus I have to spend more time in the car with the same guy but I gave him my zinc lozenge and now he says his cough is gone or going. Hopefully that was the end of it. 

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13 minutes ago, ally_uk said:

So what will you do when Bill Gates and Co make life unbearable.... 

 

Are you going to form another society? I don't see how sitting on a forum is productive... 

 

Surely if 1984 was being ushered in you would collectively take some form of action.....

 

If this truly was a depopulation jab people would be dropping left right and centre come on now bois get in the real world. 

 

Millions let me repeat millions have had the jab..... 

 

You are starting to look like clowns with false propaganda and misinformation..... 

 

 

 

Throughout this, I have maintained a realistic position (in which I am not alone on here) that, regardless of the truth or otherwise of the theories being bandied around, the outcome is the same and the response of the individual should be the same in every case - which is that you, as a free individual, must give informed consent to all medical treatments, and on that basis, you should refuse to wear face coverings, refuse the vaccine, and refuse to knowingly participate in the superstructure of medical authoritarianism, including (among other things) NHS Track and Trace, reporting others to the authorities, vaccine passports, NHS apps, and so on and so forth.  Should others wish to proceed with these things, that is their affair.

 

You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make the horse drink.  Never has there been a truer aphorism.  My arguments are realistic, not esoteric, and I rely on the government's own published data, but none of it has done me good, so I am left in the same place as everybody else on here.

 

As to what action people like me will take as things worsen, it is impossible to say at this point, and there is nowhere to run to because the regime is the same practically everywhere, which also precludes any meaningful strategy - in my view.  Instead, we have to take a wait-and-see approach and react intelligently as the situation develops.  My view is that we should distrust anybody and everybody - EVERYBODY - who appears in social media and alternative media, with maybe the exception of David Icke himself.  Remember that these people are prominent for a reason.  I would also give demonstrations a wide berth, and I would recommend deleting/deactivating all social media accounts. 

 

My own plans were laid some 10 years ago, and despite living in a normal suburban home, I am now self-sufficient in practically everything except energy.  That has taken me more than 10 years.  It's not a quick process, but I suggest others consider this option and start making small changes.  Even if the worst prognoses do not come true, being self-employed, skilled in crafts and trades, and self-sufficient for food, clothes, money and so on will probably put you in a better position than somebody who sits in a rudderless boat and just waits for events and circumstances to wash over them.

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