Ergo Storm Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 hour ago, zarkov said: The vaccinated dropping off this coil can be camouflaged. When people die it is usually behind closed doors. Stats do the rest! There may be more to not wanting the unvaccinated in hospitals.... (speculative) TRUST AUTHORITY ! [Authority - the immoral concept that fraudulently legitimises coercion. Not to be confused with the same phrase used to confer expertise!] I don't doubt that's true, but they simply don't care because they have created a manipulated social reality. In truth, this phenomenon of a 'manipulated social reality' dates back at least 2,000 years. It is an inherited mindset that maybe 98% of people adopt, and they believe in it, even if they know it can't be true. Knowing it can't be true even helps them believe it is true. It's a religious phenomenon wrapped up in genetic decline (industrialisation, antibiotics, medicine, etc. have weakened us genetically). Some people on here argue that people are stupid. I reiterate my disagreement. What we are faced with isn't stupidity. To illustrate in very simple terms: if you know that a man is in charge and if you don't do what he says you will be shunned and starve or even be killed, arguably it is rationally smart to go along with what the Big Man says, and eventually there comes a point that you believe in what he says, even if what he says is utterly ridiculous in rational terms. That's smart behaviour! It's smart in at least a Darwinian sense because you are preserving your genes. The price you pay is dysgenic replication over which you have no control. Since it is adaptively advantageous to conform to the Big Man, gradually the population adapts genetically to this selective pressure. Thus it becomes 'smart' to wear a face covering and 'dumb' not to. We are the dumb ones! In a technical sense. Of course, all of that is turned on its head if the drug called a 'vaccination' is harmful to health and even kills or disables people as a matter of course, or renders them infertile, or whatever. In which case, the Darwinian principle doesn't fail, it's just that the 'dumb' ones who refused to listen when told not to put their hands in the fire and wanted to try it out for themselves turned out to be right for a change. But I suspect it doesn't and that the cases we see of this are the standard anomalous cases that occur with any drug. I make this argument because I believe the true purpose of all this is the enforcement of social conformity, using a mixture of law and peer pressure. People are being kept down for the sake of being kept down, and it is surely possible that just as a dog likes to be put in its place, so many human beings prefer to be subservient and obedient and like to do their bit to impose the same on others while showing their masters what good 'dogs' they are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Retriever Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Good turnout in New York today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 45 minutes ago, wingwang said: Interesting you mention Squalene, I was watching this the other day from 2009... "In this clip Jesse Ventura talks to Dr. Laibow about the elite's plan to create a #Pandemic through innoculation. According to the doctor, they will use a nasal vaccination to infect the first carriers. These carriers will then infect the rest of the population. The government's response will be to create a vaccine, but there will not be enough to go around. The government will add #Squalene to vaccine supplies, which will ultimately lead to sterilization AND depopulation. Those who survive will be sterile...according to the good doctor." https://otwtube.com/video/1279/pandemic-predicted-in-2009-jesse-ventura-s-conspiracy-theory vaccine syndrome << documentary on Anthrax Vaccine in military 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ally_uk Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 (edited) So what will you do when Bill Gates and Co make life unbearable.... Are you going to form another society? I don't see how sitting on a forum is productive... Surely if 1984 was being ushered in you would collectively take some form of action..... If this truly was a depopulation jab people would be dropping left right and centre come on now bois get in the real world. Millions let me repeat millions have had the jab..... You are starting to look like clowns with false propaganda and misinformation..... Edited October 25, 2021 by ally_uk Spell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 (edited) On 9/13/2021 at 8:42 PM, DaleP said: Well Lauraine has 10 grandchildren. Good news, it looks like she is a real person. I'd shove a monster gobsmacker in her mouth. https://www.gofundme.com/f/6fqxk8-get-grandson-new-computer-for-university as if a fake personae would be created Quote Organizer Lauraine Knight Organizer Caravonica QLD Created March 18, 2020 Public health emergency was announced march 16th Just saying that psycho grass goody goody twoshoes Lauraine picked a funny time to crowdfund a computer Edited October 25, 2021 by zArk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergo Storm Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, Saved said: Well don't look at me. I don't know. It's a very good question but the answer you will receive is a series of riddles within a paradox wrapped in a contradiction. The bottom-line is: If the vaccine either allows immunity, or if not that, at least significantly diminishes the risk of infection, then what business is it of theirs if I, as an informed adult of mature age, refuse the vaccine? They are already protected. Their answer, I think, is to point to the possibility of variant mutations among a large unvaccinated population that could then circumvent their own sterilised or effective immunity, but that argument falls down when you realise that, for virtually everybody who contracts it, the infection is not lethal or even serious in the first place. You could just as well argue against vaccination at this stage on the basis that it disrupts the natural process of immunity and viral evolution that would normally kill off the infection without any drug-based intervention. Vaccines are meant for endemic infections, and only then where the seriousness of the illness justifies the cost and expense. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKitty Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 This alley_uk individual is clearly here to act as an agitator/instigator and nothing more. Responding to and interacting with this individual only serves to bring you down to their level. I, for one, am not bothered by this individual's pro "vaccine" stance. In fact, I welcome opposing views, as I feel it is important to have a better understanding of the mindset of these individuals. Though, it is rather chilling at times to witness the faith and trust such persons have in their governments and other "authority figures" in general. As I mentioned previously, it can be chilling to know that at least half of the population does believe in the "vaccines" and the Covid pandemic narrative. Plus, their side has the support of the world governments and mainstream media. Even if these individuals are a lesser half of the population, with support from governments/MSM, they have the advantage of seeming to be a majority. It is that illusion that propels the fence sitters to go along with the program. All the more reason for those of us who are against the government shots to take the high road and to act with even more decorum. No insulting retorts, name-calling, no profanity. Don't wish ill upon those who've decided to take the government shots. Pray for them, for their families. Understand they have been infected by massive government propaganda. They are very much like individuals who have been taken over by a cult. Even as they suffer life altering side effects, they still give thanks and praise to the all mighty "vaccines". I would hate to see this forum become nothing more than an echo chamber with a hive-mindset. Persons, such as alley_uk, only become a nuisance when others take the bait and engage in petty bickering. By allowing such persons to make their comments, letting it be unchallenged, does not mean they "won" anything. Their ignorance (if their comment was indeed ignorant) will do just fine standing on it's own. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonTV Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 I picked a chest and sinus infection up from someone who was double vaccinated and had a visible cough/chest infection who I had to remain in the car with for 2 hours. My sinus had mucous that was very spicy or burning. It quickly went to my chest. I did not feel sick or have upset stomach. I did want to lie down a few times but did not get the shivers. I took Vid d 4000 and zinc 15mg tablet and 25mg zinc lozenge and two oranges per day and I was over it within a few days. The coughing was at one point very concerning not continuous but a weird type of a cough and some of the most ugly mucous I have ever seen. Some with visible black things in it. I am back down to 25mg zinc now but will continue taking that and vid d until it is gone. Plus I have to spend more time in the car with the same guy but I gave him my zinc lozenge and now he says his cough is gone or going. Hopefully that was the end of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergo Storm Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 13 minutes ago, ally_uk said: So what will you do when Bill Gates and Co make life unbearable.... Are you going to form another society? I don't see how sitting on a forum is productive... Surely if 1984 was being ushered in you would collectively take some form of action..... If this truly was a depopulation jab people would be dropping left right and centre come on now bois get in the real world. Millions let me repeat millions have had the jab..... You are starting to look like clowns with false propaganda and misinformation..... Throughout this, I have maintained a realistic position (in which I am not alone on here) that, regardless of the truth or otherwise of the theories being bandied around, the outcome is the same and the response of the individual should be the same in every case - which is that you, as a free individual, must give informed consent to all medical treatments, and on that basis, you should refuse to wear face coverings, refuse the vaccine, and refuse to knowingly participate in the superstructure of medical authoritarianism, including (among other things) NHS Track and Trace, reporting others to the authorities, vaccine passports, NHS apps, and so on and so forth. Should others wish to proceed with these things, that is their affair. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make the horse drink. Never has there been a truer aphorism. My arguments are realistic, not esoteric, and I rely on the government's own published data, but none of it has done me good, so I am left in the same place as everybody else on here. As to what action people like me will take as things worsen, it is impossible to say at this point, and there is nowhere to run to because the regime is the same practically everywhere, which also precludes any meaningful strategy - in my view. Instead, we have to take a wait-and-see approach and react intelligently as the situation develops. My view is that we should distrust anybody and everybody - EVERYBODY - who appears in social media and alternative media, with maybe the exception of David Icke himself. Remember that these people are prominent for a reason. I would also give demonstrations a wide berth, and I would recommend deleting/deactivating all social media accounts. My own plans were laid some 10 years ago, and despite living in a normal suburban home, I am now self-sufficient in practically everything except energy. That has taken me more than 10 years. It's not a quick process, but I suggest others consider this option and start making small changes. Even if the worst prognoses do not come true, being self-employed, skilled in crafts and trades, and self-sufficient for food, clothes, money and so on will probably put you in a better position than somebody who sits in a rudderless boat and just waits for events and circumstances to wash over them. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 18 minutes ago, ally_uk said: You are starting to look like clowns with false propaganda and misinformation..... My source was the UK government. Let me quote again "recent observations from UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) surveillance data that N antibody levels appear to be lower in individuals who acquire infection following 2 doses of vaccination" If you are not producing antibodies due to a damaged immune system against nucleocapsid protein then you could be susceptible to other viruses such as measles, flu, HIV, Ebola and variants of Covid19 (assuming it exists). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonTV Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/088/706/386/original/bddb113734da2d16.mp4 Airline pilots fight back against vaccine mandates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonTV Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 New York "city workers" (government employees) protest against vaccine mandates https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/088/706/300/original/295cd5f1fc3dd481.mp4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saved Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 38 minutes ago, Ergo Storm said: Well don't look at me. I don't know. It's a very good question but the answer you will receive is a series of riddles within a paradox wrapped in a contradiction. The bottom-line is: If the vaccine either allows immunity, or if not that, at least significantly diminishes the risk of infection, then what business is it of theirs if I, as an informed adult of mature age, refuse the vaccine? They are already protected. Their answer, I think, is to point to the possibility of variant mutations among a large unvaccinated population that could then circumvent their own sterilised or effective immunity, but that argument falls down when you realise that, for virtually everybody who contracts it, the infection is not lethal or even serious in the first place. You could just as well argue against vaccination at this stage on the basis that it disrupts the natural process of immunity and viral evolution that would normally kill off the infection without any drug-based intervention. Vaccines are meant for endemic infections, and only then where the seriousness of the illness justifies the cost and expense. It would be interesting to hear Ally reply to this in a reasoned and non emotional way and without resorting to silly name calling. Over to you Ally - you are here and the floor is yours ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Owl Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 9 hours ago, BlueSky said: They've posted about it a couple of times. The wise old owl himself. Yeah, and your point is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonTV Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 https://gab.com/GrrrGraphics/posts/107162869553410155 Cartoonist loses job in Australia for drawing a cartoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wingwang Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 56 minutes ago, Ergo Storm said: Well don't look at me. I don't know. It's a very good question but the answer you will receive is a series of riddles within a paradox wrapped in a contradiction. The bottom-line is: If the vaccine either allows immunity, or if not that, at least significantly diminishes the risk of infection, then what business is it of theirs if I, as an informed adult of mature age, refuse the vaccine? They are already protected. "...the answer you will receive is a series of riddles within a paradox wrapped in a contradiction." I like that, spot on. Hope you don't mind me nicking it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Golden Retriever Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 (edited) This is over an hour of vaccine adverse reactions in Israel. Uploaded onto Youtube today, but I doubt if it will stay there for long. "I cannot emphasize enough how important it is that we maximise the number of people who see this truly harrowing documentary about the serious and fatal adverse events caused by mandatory vaxx policy in Israel. This film has already been banned from the Israeli media because the testimony it so diligently documents is simply incontestable, on the basis that it focuses on the witness statements of the survivors and the family members of those who have died shortly after being vaxxed." Edited October 25, 2021 by Golden Retriever 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamboozooka Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 how many bullshit jabs worldwide does the satanists say have been administered? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonTV Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, bamboozooka said: how many bullshit jabs worldwide does the satanists say have been administered? What an exciting moment 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Facts Sir Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 hour ago, ally_uk said: So what will you do when Bill Gates and Co make life unbearable.... Are you going to form another society? I don't see how sitting on a forum is productive... Surely if 1984 was being ushered in you would collectively take some form of action..... Baiting posters is not a good look. Inciting violent action? Ooh maybe someone will reply and that will help the forum get taken down in the name of "public safety" or "hate crimes". Here we go again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ar55 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 (edited) A friend of mine is in hospital with myocarditis. He’s 22 years of age and was double jabbed by July. Only now has it reared it’s head. Food for thought for those who think they’re safe after not experiencing any immediate issues. Edited October 25, 2021 by ar55 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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