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7 hours ago, FVCK BILLY G4TES said:

In all honesty mate, the NHS isn't the arbiter of truth that people make it out to be. Israel has penetrated the NHS through NHSX, they "made" track & trace originally but with a little help from Bi Bi and co. 

 

Dude, the NHS is only "accurate" when the stats "work" for the conspiracy!

 

7 hours ago, FVCK BILLY G4TES said:

So no @Comedy Time it's not that the "joos did it", religious supremacists did it through espionage, corporate/political blackmail, bribery and more.

 

So why didn't YOU pull him up about his reference to the jooos doing it? Zionists would be more in keeping huh?

 

7 hours ago, FVCK BILLY G4TES said:

It goes on forever but your rhetoric is childish and naive, put on ya big boy pants and start asking serious questions.

 

Yeah sure it is. It's true I am in a thread full of virtually total opposition and there is some nasty crap going on throughout the world, but you being in the majority here isn't the winning hand. My rhetoric is no more childish than quite a large number or responses coming my way.

 

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I started a new job not so long ago and quit after three weeks, I refused to wear a stupid mask all day at all, laughed at the managers and their covid terror.. I could see it wasn't going to end well

I've already posted about this in the 'Come Together by Region?' thread in the Solutions forum.   But now here is the advert for the big event on the 29th August. It would be great if as ma

Summary meeting with MP.   Big sign on door saying have to wear a mask. Reptilian brain nearly kicked in and panicked - temptation to go to the store and buy one. Managed to keep it together

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I fail to understand how a vaccine that has not gone through the proper trials is already being manufactured at such a capacity.  I mean, I do understand why, but it doesn't have a damn thing to do with proper research and development protocols.

 

From the same article:

 

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Pfizer, which is working with Germany's BioNTech, is currently running a trial on 44,000 people, and last week said it plans to apply for emergency US approval of its vaccine in November

 

So after the election.

 

You'd think you'd want approval before manufacturing thousands of doses.

 

Also - from JULY of this year (not that it was planned or anything)

 

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U.K. Orders 90 Million Covid-19 Vaccine Doses from Pfizer, Valneva

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20 July 2020, 06:45 BST Updated on 20 July 2020, 14:24 BST

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-20/u-k-orders-90-million-vaccine-doses-from-pfizer-valneva

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Former Prime Minister Tony Blair is accused of breaking two-week quarantine rules after being photographed at a London club 10 days after returning from a White House event in the US

Former Prime Minister Tony Blair has been accused of breaking the two-week quarantine rules after he was photographed at a London club 10 days after a trip to the US.

Mr Blair, 67, was pictured at Harry's Bar in London's Mayfair less than two weeks after returning from a two-day trip to the White House. 

A spokesman for the former prime minister said Mr Blair was invited to an 'international conference' because of his ties to the Middle East peace agreement between Israel and the UAE.

 

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His spokesman denied the claims and said Mr Blair 'was told to follow the guidance on international conferences which he did'.

The 'international conferences' exemption to the rules applies to ­diplomats, staff at international bodies such as the UN and formal representatives at international conferences who have been 'granted privileges and immunities'.

 

Aaah, so diplomats and international organisation staff are immune.

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7 minutes ago, SimonTV said:

Did the government and its experts ever release any evidence that covid-19 is any more contagious than other types of respiratory virus? 

 

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15 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

 

ttps://www.washingtonpost.com/health/more-evidence-emerges-on-why-covid-19-is-so-much-worse-than-the-flu/2020/05/21/e7814588-9ba5-11ea-a2b3-5c3f2d1586df_story.html

 

That article says nothing about it being more contagious.

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3 minutes ago, SimonTV said:

 

That article says nothing about it being more contagious.

 

Whoops, misread...

 

https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html

 

Researchers are still working to determine the R0 for COVID-19.  Preliminary studies estimated an R0 value for the new coronavirus to be between 2 and 3, according to a review study published Feb. 28 in the journal JAMA. This means each infected person has spread the virus to an average of 2 to 3 people.

 

Some studies suggest COVID-19 has an even higher R0 value. For example, a study published April 7 in the journal Emerging Infectious Disease used mathematical modeling to calculate an R0 of nearly 6 in China.

It's important to note that R0 is not a constant number. Estimates can vary by location, depending on such factors as how often people come into contact with each other and the efforts taken to reduce viral spread, Live Science previously reported.

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18 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

 

Whoops, misread...

 

https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html

 

Researchers are still working to determine the R0 for COVID-19.  Preliminary studies estimated an R0 value for the new coronavirus to be between 2 and 3, according to a review study published Feb. 28 in the journal JAMA. This means each infected person has spread the virus to an average of 2 to 3 people.

 

Some studies suggest COVID-19 has an even higher R0 value. For example, a study published April 7 in the journal Emerging Infectious Disease used mathematical modeling to calculate an R0 of nearly 6 in China.

It's important to note that R0 is not a constant number. Estimates can vary by location, depending on such factors as how often people come into contact with each other and the efforts taken to reduce viral spread, Live Science previously reported.

 

Why are you spamming this thread with your inane school boy naive drivel?

 

You bring nothing to the party apart from BO, cooties and bad breath. Please leave.

 

 

People use this thread to keep abreast of current news. Looks like you get yours from MSM. Which is fine. Please go back to it and let us mad conspiracy theorists crack on.

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2 hours ago, Velma said:

 

I'm longing to see this production line go up like a silo in Beirut!

Just watched the little shit weasel Sir Jeremy Farrar on Sky news saying we are in for a tough winter but there will a be vaccine available in the first quarter of 2021  

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25 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

 

Whoops, misread...

 

https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html

 

Researchers are still working to determine the R0 for COVID-19.  Preliminary studies estimated an R0 value for the new coronavirus to be between 2 and 3, according to a review study published Feb. 28 in the journal JAMA. This means each infected person has spread the virus to an average of 2 to 3 people.

 

Some studies suggest COVID-19 has an even higher R0 value. For example, a study published April 7 in the journal Emerging Infectious Disease used mathematical modeling to calculate an R0 of nearly 6 in China.

It's important to note that R0 is not a constant number. Estimates can vary by location, depending on such factors as how often people come into contact with each other and the efforts taken to reduce viral spread, Live Science previously reported.

 

Firstly these R values are just estimates based on models from what I can see. 

 

Let's look at some studies instead of mainstream media interpretation. 

 

This study from Jan estimated R value as 

 

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The R values of 2019-nCoV were 2.90 (95%CI: 2.32-3.63) and 2.92 (95%CI: 2.28-3.67) estimated using EG and ML respectively, while the corresponding R values of SARS-CoV were 1.77 (95%CI: 1.37-2.27) and 1.85 (95%CI: 1.32-2.49).

 

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.25.919787v1

 

This study from July estimated R values as 

 

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We found R0 is likely to be 5.7 given our current state of knowledge, with a broad 95% CI (3.8–8.9). 

 

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0282_article

 

 

Bear in mind that the Spanish flu which killed 50 million people (apparently) had an R value below

 

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For example, in 1918 there was a worldwide outbreak of the swine flu that killed 50 million people. According to a review article published in BMC Medicine, the R0 value of the 1918 pandemic was estimated to be between 1.4 and 2.8.

But when the swine flu, or H1N1 virus, came back in 2009, its R0 value was between 1.4 and 1.6, report researchers in the journal Science. The existence of vaccines and antiviral drugs made the 2009 outbreak much less deadly.

 

 

So again have they presented any evidence that 2019-nCoV is any more contagious than other respiratory virus because I don't think they have. 

 

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15 minutes ago, The Illuminator said:

 

Why are you spamming this thread with your inane school boy naive drivel?

 

You bring nothing to the party apart from BO, cooties and bad breath. Please leave.

 

 

People use this thread to keep abreast of current news. Looks like you get yours from MSM. Which is fine. Please go back to it and let us mad conspiracy theorists crack on.

 

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To ALL members: Please stick to the discussion of the topic, and quit the insults and personal attacks.

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This looks like the study that the scientific community is using as evidence for the idea that asymptomatic people are capable of spreading 2019-ncov. 

 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMc2001468

 

You can see from this study that the example is quite ridiculous. A Chinese person becomes sick on a flight and they then blame it on a German businessman who was not showing any illness. They then PCR tested people in the same company and some came back positive even though no symptoms. Yet many studies are citing this study as a source. Is it not possible she picked up the illness on the flight or maybe had picked up an illness in China before travelling to Germany. These possibilities seem to have been not explored by this study. 

 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Comedy Time said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Flu stats have dropped off have they? Eyes wide open dude......

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/25/you-might-not-want-rely-trump-information-about-risk-coronavirus/

 

Im just going to deal with a few of your points, coz you really are here as the link proves, just to be an argumentative & ruin discussion.

You post a paywall for a start.

Washington Post a left wing politricks rag, showing stats from America dated Feb. 25, 2020🤭

 

5 hours ago, Comedy Time said:

I KNOW people from my local hospital who dealt with this shit.

 

You know people who work in ICU with flu cases.

That really proves nothing & is hearsay.

 

5 hours ago, Comedy Time said:

 

But don't tell me, this one is fake is it?

 

https://metro.co.uk/2020/09/07/second-wave-of-coronavirus-could-overwhelm-more-than-100-nhs-hospitals-13235218/

 

"However, it comes as a leaked NHS document revealed coronavirus could hit hospitals five times harder than in April, when an average of 16,000 beds were required for coronavirus patients per day."

 

Again what does this prove, its more speculation.

The first wave Ferguson claimed would kill 500,000 people.

He has a serious history of massive blunders, yet the media & gov never stop taking his bullshit seriously.

And muppets like you who post speculative metro links as some kind of evidence.

Like I say you are clearly infected.🙈

5 hours ago, Comedy Time said:

 

 

Hey, it's the daily fail. Don't tell me, all the stats are fake in this article!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8746817/Matt-Hancock-warns-Covid-19-hospital-admissions-doubling-EIGHT-days.html

 

Matt Handcock?

Infected.😷🤮

5 hours ago, Comedy Time said:

 

 

 

Regarding your deaths from FLU in 2018, did you inquire as to how many had underlying health conditions? And I didn't see your response to how Sars-2 is just a tad more virulent.

No you missed my point on how this is nothing new or more dangerous than any other bad flu season. As you are posting Fail links.

Did you read my post on WHO & the Swine flu?

No course you didnt.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5440785/Killer-flu-outbreak-blame-42-spike-deaths.html

 

5 hours ago, Comedy Time said:

 

Some questions:

1. What crazy reason would they admit their test was inaccurate if the virus was hoaxed?

Maybe they are pissed off with their corporate overlords & worried they might be exposed & lynched for their crimes or maybe they are Satanist rubbing it in your face, with a dumbed down zombie public, that accept any draconian shit.

Narcissists tend to do this & Boris does it all the time.

Yes the tests are fraudulent thats a fact...so yes its a hoax.

 

5 hours ago, Comedy Time said:

2. What crazy reason would they release stats that DIDN'T back up the fake virus?

3. What crazy reason would they soften the blow by mentioning underlying health conditions?

Because not everyone is in on the scam? 🤦‍♂️

5 hours ago, Comedy Time said:

4. Why haven't Brigade77 infiltrated this thread?

They infest mainstream social media, where people are more easily influenced plus they have full control & can launch multiple bot accounts & censor posters.

5 hours ago, Comedy Time said:

5. What totally insane evil-overlord CDC admits they don't have any virus?

What does that even mean?

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2 hours ago, Comedy Time said:

 

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If it were worse we would hear more about it and at least have one neighbour who has had it. You do seem hell bent on pushing your own narrative. I have seen this in another forum - and that forum was infiltrated by officers and similar  trying to sway public opinion in matters of cases before the courts. Just an observation, and I`m sure you are only trying to `play`devils advocate. The fact of the matter is....to bring it to a truthful perspective... no-one knows anyone with the virus,  the false positives are off the charts, somehow regular flu has vanished in favour of Covid in the minds of those controlling or perpetuating the official narrative. Hospitals are devoid of actual covid patients and in care homes those with pneumonia are supposedly dying of covid. As I see it, anyone who pushes the official narrative at this point is either malinformed or being paid to push the cause. I`m sure this isn`t you... but a happy smiley face can hide a multitude of plots....just ask the joker.  ;-)

 

 

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One of the filthiest tactics of the Panic Merchants is to claim that anyone who opposes their strangling of the country is callous and cares only about money, not life. 

Dissenters have been pelted with slime of this kind by Johnson, the man who ruined Britain, and by his dense sidekick, Hancock – perhaps the first Health Secretary in history who does not know that malaria is spread by mosquitoes. They tell us we wish to ‘let the virus rip’.

Well, Johnson and Hancock, if you care so much about lives, get in touch with Lisa King, as I did. Ask her to tell you about how her husband Peter, a retired taxi driver aged 62, died. 

It is a horrible, upsetting story, involving a grown man screaming in agony. And in my view it is an absolutely direct consequence of Hancock’s conversion of the NHS into a National Covid Service which treats everything else as a nuisance.

Peter King was grudgingly granted (as so many now are) a remote session with a GP who, unable to meet him, and apparently ignorant of his records, diagnosed his severe chest discomfort as reflux. I am not especially interested in blaming this doctor. Under the conditions created by Hancock, he was presumably doing his best.

But it was not good enough. Actually the trouble was far more serious – a stone trapped in his gall bladder – and the resulting delay meant he was overcome with indescribable pain a few days later.

Peter was given emergency surgery to reduce the agony, but needed a more radical operation. He was put on the urgent list for it. But this was still too late. He fell terribly ill again and despite the heroic efforts of paramedics, he died. The many years of happy life which Peter and Lisa King might otherwise have had were wiped out for ever.

This is not just some isolated case. Something like 25 million appointments with GPs have been lost as a result of the Johnson Government’s panic (not as a result of Covid, as the hopelessly pro-Government BBC always says. The Government had a choice over how to respond, and took the wrong path).

Read more: Peter Hitchens: ‘… Johnson and Hancock have let rip … needless pain, needless death … We are in the hands of fools who will not admit they have made a terrible mistake.’ (They wouldn’t dare – their masters won’t let them and it is cold calculation not a mistake)

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On 10/17/2020 at 7:55 AM, zArk said:

why do you think Ian did it?

I'm not sure, I didnt get to read many of them so not sure if his stance was COVID is a hoax.

 

Maybe he's  re positioning himself

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3 hours ago, Comedy Time said:

 

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when truthers use fake news media articles to satisfy their warm fuzzy narrative

washington post ffs

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