Fluke Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Got to have my theory test today will probably have to have my temperature taken with one of those guns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonTV Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 25 minutes ago, Comedy Time said: Whoops, misread... https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html Researchers are still working to determine the R0 for COVID-19. Preliminary studies estimated an R0 value for the new coronavirus to be between 2 and 3, according to a review study published Feb. 28 in the journal JAMA. This means each infected person has spread the virus to an average of 2 to 3 people. Some studies suggest COVID-19 has an even higher R0 value. For example, a study published April 7 in the journal Emerging Infectious Disease used mathematical modeling to calculate an R0 of nearly 6 in China. It's important to note that R0 is not a constant number. Estimates can vary by location, depending on such factors as how often people come into contact with each other and the efforts taken to reduce viral spread, Live Science previously reported. Firstly these R values are just estimates based on models from what I can see. Let's look at some studies instead of mainstream media interpretation. This study from Jan estimated R value as Quote The R values of 2019-nCoV were 2.90 (95%CI: 2.32-3.63) and 2.92 (95%CI: 2.28-3.67) estimated using EG and ML respectively, while the corresponding R values of SARS-CoV were 1.77 (95%CI: 1.37-2.27) and 1.85 (95%CI: 1.32-2.49). https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.25.919787v1 This study from July estimated R values as Quote We found R0 is likely to be 5.7 given our current state of knowledge, with a broad 95% CI (3.8–8.9). https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0282_article Bear in mind that the Spanish flu which killed 50 million people (apparently) had an R value below Quote For example, in 1918 there was a worldwide outbreak of the swine flu that killed 50 million people. According to a review article published in BMC Medicine, the R0 value of the 1918 pandemic was estimated to be between 1.4 and 2.8. But when the swine flu, or H1N1 virus, came back in 2009, its R0 value was between 1.4 and 1.6, report researchers in the journal Science. The existence of vaccines and antiviral drugs made the 2009 outbreak much less deadly. So again have they presented any evidence that 2019-nCoV is any more contagious than other respiratory virus because I don't think they have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Owl Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 15 minutes ago, The Illuminator said: Why are you spamming this thread with your inane school boy naive drivel? You bring nothing to the party apart from BO, cooties and bad breath. Please leave. People use this thread to keep abreast of current news. Looks like you get yours from MSM. Which is fine. Please go back to it and let us mad conspiracy theorists crack on. MOD NOTE: To ALL members: Please stick to the discussion of the topic, and quit the insults and personal attacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonTV Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 (edited) This looks like the study that the scientific community is using as evidence for the idea that asymptomatic people are capable of spreading 2019-ncov. https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMc2001468 You can see from this study that the example is quite ridiculous. A Chinese person becomes sick on a flight and they then blame it on a German businessman who was not showing any illness. They then PCR tested people in the same company and some came back positive even though no symptoms. Yet many studies are citing this study as a source. Is it not possible she picked up the illness on the flight or maybe had picked up an illness in China before travelling to Germany. These possibilities seem to have been not explored by this study. Edited October 18, 2020 by SimonTV 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gone Fishing... Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Has Dr Ben Tapper been mentioned yet ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Sawdust Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Velma said: I'm longing to see this production line go up like a silo in Beirut! They can stick that right up their arse. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddsnsods Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 5 hours ago, Comedy Time said: Flu stats have dropped off have they? Eyes wide open dude...... https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/25/you-might-not-want-rely-trump-information-about-risk-coronavirus/ Im just going to deal with a few of your points, coz you really are here as the link proves, just to be an argumentative & ruin discussion. You post a paywall for a start. Washington Post a left wing politricks rag, showing stats from America dated Feb. 25, 2020 5 hours ago, Comedy Time said: I KNOW people from my local hospital who dealt with this shit. You know people who work in ICU with flu cases. That really proves nothing & is hearsay. 5 hours ago, Comedy Time said: But don't tell me, this one is fake is it? https://metro.co.uk/2020/09/07/second-wave-of-coronavirus-could-overwhelm-more-than-100-nhs-hospitals-13235218/ "However, it comes as a leaked NHS document revealed coronavirus could hit hospitals five times harder than in April, when an average of 16,000 beds were required for coronavirus patients per day." Again what does this prove, its more speculation. The first wave Ferguson claimed would kill 500,000 people. He has a serious history of massive blunders, yet the media & gov never stop taking his bullshit seriously. And muppets like you who post speculative metro links as some kind of evidence. Like I say you are clearly infected. 5 hours ago, Comedy Time said: Hey, it's the daily fail. Don't tell me, all the stats are fake in this article! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8746817/Matt-Hancock-warns-Covid-19-hospital-admissions-doubling-EIGHT-days.html Matt Handcock? Infected. 5 hours ago, Comedy Time said: Regarding your deaths from FLU in 2018, did you inquire as to how many had underlying health conditions? And I didn't see your response to how Sars-2 is just a tad more virulent. No you missed my point on how this is nothing new or more dangerous than any other bad flu season. As you are posting Fail links. Did you read my post on WHO & the Swine flu? No course you didnt. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5440785/Killer-flu-outbreak-blame-42-spike-deaths.html 5 hours ago, Comedy Time said: Some questions: 1. What crazy reason would they admit their test was inaccurate if the virus was hoaxed? Maybe they are pissed off with their corporate overlords & worried they might be exposed & lynched for their crimes or maybe they are Satanist rubbing it in your face, with a dumbed down zombie public, that accept any draconian shit. Narcissists tend to do this & Boris does it all the time. Yes the tests are fraudulent thats a fact...so yes its a hoax. 5 hours ago, Comedy Time said: 2. What crazy reason would they release stats that DIDN'T back up the fake virus? 3. What crazy reason would they soften the blow by mentioning underlying health conditions? Because not everyone is in on the scam? 5 hours ago, Comedy Time said: 4. Why haven't Brigade77 infiltrated this thread? They infest mainstream social media, where people are more easily influenced plus they have full control & can launch multiple bot accounts & censor posters. 5 hours ago, Comedy Time said: 5. What totally insane evil-overlord CDC admits they don't have any virus? What does that even mean? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaujangles Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Comedy Time said: ttps://www.washingtonpost.com/health/more-evidence-emerges-on-why-covid-19-is-so-much-worse-than-the-flu/2020/05/21/e7814588-9ba5-11ea-a2b3-5c3f2d1586df_story.html If it were worse we would hear more about it and at least have one neighbour who has had it. You do seem hell bent on pushing your own narrative. I have seen this in another forum - and that forum was infiltrated by officers and similar trying to sway public opinion in matters of cases before the courts. Just an observation, and I`m sure you are only trying to `play`devils advocate. The fact of the matter is....to bring it to a truthful perspective... no-one knows anyone with the virus, the false positives are off the charts, somehow regular flu has vanished in favour of Covid in the minds of those controlling or perpetuating the official narrative. Hospitals are devoid of actual covid patients and in care homes those with pneumonia are supposedly dying of covid. As I see it, anyone who pushes the official narrative at this point is either malinformed or being paid to push the cause. I`m sure this isn`t you... but a happy smiley face can hide a multitude of plots....just ask the joker. ;-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddsnsods Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 One of the filthiest tactics of the Panic Merchants is to claim that anyone who opposes their strangling of the country is callous and cares only about money, not life. Dissenters have been pelted with slime of this kind by Johnson, the man who ruined Britain, and by his dense sidekick, Hancock – perhaps the first Health Secretary in history who does not know that malaria is spread by mosquitoes. They tell us we wish to ‘let the virus rip’. Well, Johnson and Hancock, if you care so much about lives, get in touch with Lisa King, as I did. Ask her to tell you about how her husband Peter, a retired taxi driver aged 62, died. It is a horrible, upsetting story, involving a grown man screaming in agony. And in my view it is an absolutely direct consequence of Hancock’s conversion of the NHS into a National Covid Service which treats everything else as a nuisance. Peter King was grudgingly granted (as so many now are) a remote session with a GP who, unable to meet him, and apparently ignorant of his records, diagnosed his severe chest discomfort as reflux. I am not especially interested in blaming this doctor. Under the conditions created by Hancock, he was presumably doing his best. But it was not good enough. Actually the trouble was far more serious – a stone trapped in his gall bladder – and the resulting delay meant he was overcome with indescribable pain a few days later. Peter was given emergency surgery to reduce the agony, but needed a more radical operation. He was put on the urgent list for it. But this was still too late. He fell terribly ill again and despite the heroic efforts of paramedics, he died. The many years of happy life which Peter and Lisa King might otherwise have had were wiped out for ever. This is not just some isolated case. Something like 25 million appointments with GPs have been lost as a result of the Johnson Government’s panic (not as a result of Covid, as the hopelessly pro-Government BBC always says. The Government had a choice over how to respond, and took the wrong path). Read more: Peter Hitchens: ‘… Johnson and Hancock have let rip … needless pain, needless death … We are in the hands of fools who will not admit they have made a terrible mistake.’ (They wouldn’t dare – their masters won’t let them and it is cold calculation not a mistake) 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamboozooka Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 save the nhs 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 On 10/17/2020 at 7:55 AM, zArk said: why do you think Ian did it? I'm not sure, I didnt get to read many of them so not sure if his stance was COVID is a hoax. Maybe he's re positioning himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamboozooka Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Comedy Time said: ttps://www.washingtonpost.com/health/more-evidence-emerges-on-why-covid-19-is-so-much-worse-than-the-flu/2020/05/21/e7814588-9ba5-11ea-a2b3-5c3f2d1586df_story.html when truthers use fake news media articles to satisfy their warm fuzzy narrative washington post ffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Humungus Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, bamboozooka said: when truthers use fake news media articles to satisfy their warm fuzzy narrative washington post ffs @Comedy Time is not a Truther, he's a skeptic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamboozooka Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 does not matter. one day they attack fake news next day they quote it cos it makes em feel toastie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Humungus Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 26 minutes ago, bamboozooka said: does not matter. one day they attack fake news next day they quote it cos it makes em feel toastie Well some "truthers" tend to do that yeah. Skeptics only use fake news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonTV Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 18 Reasons to Forgo Flu Vaccinations This Year https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/10/gary-g-kohls/18-reasons-to-forgo-flu-vaccinations-this-year/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Alert Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 14 hours ago, Oakwise said: I hear what you're saying. Though I think there are quite a few ordinary people who are secretly wondering if the so-called 'conspiracy theorists' were right all along. Some people who I thought were totally into the system have said to me things like, 'Something doesn't feel right about this' and 'There's something else going on here'. But I think they're too afraid to speak out about it. That's where we can help. Give them a safe conversational space for them to think freely and consider alternative possibilities. Just like you, I am meeting people who are seeing the over the top of CV signs, barriers, screens, rules, 24/7 terror news etc. and are waking up. How much has been spent just here alone (photo below), not to mention for the whole country on visual propaganda? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Retriever Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Yesterday in London https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8850295/Life-begins-Tier-2-Londoners-meet-outdoors-coffee-new-Covid-regulations-kick-in.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamboozooka Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 so did they march through the square mile? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Retriever Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, bamboozooka said: so did they march through the square mile? No, sadly. That was my suggestion on a different thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comedy Time Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 1 hour ago, bamboozooka said: when truthers use fake news media articles to satisfy their warm fuzzy narrative washington post ffs "Truthers" use them to cherry pick stats and quotes. Then when presented with the bits they don't use, play the MSM card to avoid responding. Ffs. Prove it's fake. I won't hold my breath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Humungus Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, Comedy Time said: "Truthers" use them to cherry pick stats and quotes. Then when presented with the bits they don't use, play the MSM card to avoid responding. Ffs. Prove it's fake. I won't hold my breath. Skeptics only use the fake news media to proof their point, even when they know it's fake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Comedy Time said: "Truthers" use them to cherry pick stats and quotes. Then when presented with the bits they don't use, play the MSM card to avoid responding. Ffs. Prove it's fake. I won't hold my breath. To be fair, Bamboo has presented the ultimate argument in controlled narrative by the MSM. That story has been surpressed by Facebook and Twatter. Whilst you have your position, you have to acknowledge that story has been doubled down on by the msm. I mean FFS, they're calling Guiliani a drunk and that guy took down the Mafia for crying out loud. Also trying to say he is in cahoots with the Russians! So I think we can safely say that the media lies and it's obvious. Edited October 18, 2020 by Morpheus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comedy Time Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Lord Humungus said: Well some "truthers" tend to do that yeah. Skeptics only use fake news 8 minutes ago, Lord Humungus said: Skeptics only use the fake news media to proof their point, even when they know it's fake. Dude, I saw that was your claim from 3 posts ago. Stop cluttering up the thread. Sceptics of what? The general term is used to denote somebody who doubts accepted opinion. So that would be you lot. But I won't be so rash in my claims. Truthers/sceptics only sometimes fall prey to fake news and you should all point it out when they do, not leave it to people like me to do it! However, they DO use mainstream sites but very rarely quote the whole thing. As I said and has been demonstrated on this thread....small cherry picked "ahaaah" snippets are used, sometimes out of context, often without pointing out other variables and certainly never using anything from mainstream sites that contradict the general line of the claim. That isn't truth seeking, that is confirmation bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comedy Time Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Morpheus said: To be fair, Bamboo has presented the ultimate argument in controlled narrative by the MSM. That story has been surpressed by Facebook and Twatter. Whilst you have your position, you have to acknowledge that story has been doubled down on by the msm. I mean FFS, they're calling Guiliani a drunk and that guy took down the Mafia for crying out loud. Also trying to say he is in cahoots with the Russians! So I think we can safely say that she media lies and it's obvious. The media does lie and it is usually very obvious when they do. It doesn't however mean they do it all the time or conduct ludicrously concocted and sustained campaigns. It's one thing the government and money making advisory bodies messing with the numbers and projections, which I'm inclined to lean towards than to suggest the whole damn thing is a fake. That's just absurd and DOES require large numbers to suppress multiple avenues of inquiry. And yes, there is of course censorship which I most certainly do not agree with ANYWHERE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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