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3 minutes ago, Golden Retriever said:

WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN THESE LAST MONTHS?


He's been on the Space / Moon / Flearth threads.
He needs to do some back reading and catching up with this thread, methinks..
 

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39 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

 

It works both ways! There could just as easily be deaths caused by it that are NOT attributed to it. But how the crap can you quote government admissions of incompetence to justify that it's all made up??

 

 

Citation.

 

 

Up yours with bells on. Report me then. I am debating raised issues on this thread, and getting decent replies. Up to now.

 

Or do you object to YOUR stuff being questioned without accountability!!!!

 

 

And this the poster aka many different accounts who recommended JumpRogue (the moderator who almost destroyed the forum) to Gareth Icke

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Re whether the virus actually exists. Having read both sides of the argument I did try and get to the bottom of this and sent an FOI request to Public Health England asking, how do they know that the deaths we have seen are caused by covid 19. They replied saying they don't have that information. Which I found particularly strange. But there you go. 

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2 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

 

That is trolling isn't it?


Yep, that's not having a giggle with members, you're correct.
l'll go ban myself.
BYE  xx

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26 minutes ago, Basket Case said:


He's been on the Space / Moon / Flearth threads.
He needs to do some back reading and catching up with this thread, methinks..
 


@Comedy Time 
This is not - " personal shit - deliberate baiting!!!!!!! "
These are  FACTS...!!!!
You have spent most of your time on these other threads.
You have only recently shown interest in this thread.
You need to catch up.
The stuff you're bringing up and using government and MSM articles to debate have been covered many times earlier in this very thread.
BC

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18 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

No it doesnt as they deliberately changed the rules for coroners.

 

Yes it is made up as Vallance* admits. Trololololl.

 

You posted a video that confirmed my bloody point! People are NOT tested for it routinely when they die. Go back and see where I said this.....

 

"I don't understand the blanket denial of this virus rather than the more realistic one of those who claim it's ferocity is exaggerated. I have no problem with the latter - kind of, but the former is a bit daft."

 

 

18 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

 

Yeah, thanks for that. It's not as though any of that is new but both of you missed the bloody point! I was hoping for a citation dating back to before the internet was swamped with their stories.

 

WHY were they silenced? Getting back to MY original post about it....

 

"All those people suddenly dying is faaake is it? All those crazily overworked NHS nurses were complaining about nothing huh?"

 

Whilst I disagree completely about them being silenced, they were silenced because they were making an almighty stink about their plight! Ya know, insufficient protection, lots of them dropping like flies, overworked, long hours dealing with all the faaaake patients that suddenly turned up. So your joint citations were made after the fact and BECAUSE of the complaints about reasons that prove this whole thing is nonsense.

 

Can you understand that? Probably not.

 

18 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

No I object some septic, who tries to jump on peoples posts for a topic he really is clueless about on the most part.

 

 

Two things, the level of shite I gave as to your objection is very low and I didn't "jump" on your or any others' posts. You put up a link to an "alternate" site. I put up a link to a site that shows this. 

 

18 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

Ignores my reply, then snipes me for some link I posted  with a factchecker site that doesnt debunk anything.

 

 

 

Show me the reply I ignored. I don't care whether you think it doesn't debunk anything - your opinion on the mater is not fact.

 

18 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

Has continually derailed this topic all morning..under the admins nose.

 

Bullshit. You just don't like it when your free-for-all-back-slapathon gets questioned.

 

I am not a big supporter of the shite tory government or their handling of this. I certainly think it is not being handled well and some piss-poor decisions have been made regarding tracking and stats.

 

I just think anyone who thinks it is fake is talking bollocks.

 

Here's one of those "gagged" nurses...

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/icu-nurse-critical-care-nhs-hospital-coronavirus-covid-19-ppe-a9477486.html

 

Maybe all these Nurses caught the Flu?

https://www.nursingtimes.net/news/workforce/in-memory-a-list-of-nursing-staff-who-have-sadly-died-from-covid-19-20-04-2020/

 

 

 

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36 minutes ago, Golden Retriever said:

And this the poster aka as many different accounts who recommended JumpRogue (the moderator who almost destroyed the forum) to Gareth Icke

 

I reported this off topic personal shite...though whether it gets removed seems unlikely. Probably my off topic reply will...

 

I recommended him/her based on their actions at the last forum. They were always kind and courteous and dead reasonable.... a trait I thought (for one reason or another) this forum needed.

 

How did you know I recommended them? I told you all so!! Honest ...me. I had no idea they would turn into a raving post deleting lunatic. I publicly apologise for my useless recommendation. 

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If anyone thinks covid is real then contact this doctor ASAP and claim his $5k reward! If you’re wondering what some of these strange symptoms are or respiratory issues people are dying with, there’s a thing called pneumonia which believe it or not, still exists, and affects about 450 million people a year, never been into lockdown before because of it

 

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2 minutes ago, Seeker said:

 

If anyone thinks covid is real then contact this doctor ASAP and claim his $5k reward! If you’re wondering what some of these strange symptoms are or respiratory issues people are dying with, there’s a thing called pneumonia which believe it or not, still exists, and affects about 450 million people a year, never been into lockdown before because of it

 

Should be an easy £5k then, you know, since the virus has been isolated an all. 

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honk honk @Comedy Time

 

The nurses were silenced from day one, nothing to do with being overworked.

They were so overworked they were putting out tik tok videos every hour of the day.

Nobody was allowed inside the hospitals & somebody actually got imprisoned for 14 weeks for filming an empty hospital & posting it on Fakebook.

 

46 minutes ago, Golden Retriever said:

 

And this the poster aka many different accounts who recommended JumpRogue (the moderator who almost destroyed the forum) to Gareth Icke

 

It doesnt surprise me Gareth Icke would take the word of Truegroup.

Like he did with his mate MerlinCove on the last forum, who was banning anybody including myself for questioning the Westminster Bridge hoax.

Almost like Merlin was following orders.

Coz he was pretty gistapo about what he was doing.

locking people in the rant room then antagonising them till they bite & banning them when he loses the debate.

 

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10 minutes ago, Basket Case said:


@Comedy Time .....

 

The sheer irony of your post (not putting it up again) makes my brain hurt. Off topic, derailing and personal. I think I'm going to go off and cry. Numerous knock on posts all about poor old me.

 

10 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

This is not - " personal shit - deliberate baiting!!!!!!! "

 

That is a personal comment aimed at me. Nothing to do with this thread. It's also a tad private?

 

10 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

These are  FACTS...!!!!

 

And about me personally.

 

10 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

You have spent most of your time on these other threads.

 

I'm pretty sure the question of "where have I been" was rhetorical and your answer was not necessary and personal.

 

10 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

You have only recently shown interest in this thread.

 

Something to do with Lake bringing it up. I have been reading it daily. Some of it has been appalling misinformation. Much of it is speculation. Some of it is good and highlights how shit the system is.

 

I think my first post in this thread highlighted CLEAR fake news being posted. Not ONE PERSON questioned it. NOT ONE. 

 

THAT is what should be being done for all of these alternative stories, to verify authenticity. If experts are being questioned, then the people being questioned should also be questioned as to their relevant experience to do so.

 

NONE of it proves the virus is faked. Some of it strongly suggests it is not as bad as it is being touted. 

 

10 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

You need to catch up.

 

No I don't. I have  a TV and internet. I just don't have the same propensity towards believing everything I read about it from alternative websites. I believe the government are largely incompetent.

 

10 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

The stuff you're bringing up and using government and MSM articles to debate have been covered many times earlier in this very thread.

 

No, really it hasn't. Show me anyone on this thread who has taken any of the posts on this thread to task using "MSM". It is always a defence of conspiracy theorists to automatically dismiss the source if it is MSM, because it is MSM. I most certainly do not believe everything written from those sources far from it, but to take what is reported and mix it in with disinformation and speculation, whilst doing deductive reasoning that ignores the fundamental statements??

 

THAT needs questioning.

 

I just highlighted Nurses reporting all sorts of crap, THEN being gagged only to be told just above that they had been gagged from day one. So apparently none of them has said anything.

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Written Oct 2019 on WebMD but some parts are updated to 2020. 

 

"Previously, officials had said this year's flu season was on track to be one of the worst in decades".

https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/flu-season-what-to-know-this-year

 

Obviously there isn't going to be written proof that the government is lying. It's their job to push a bigger agenda and if you can't see that then I recommend you go look at some shady shit governments have done in the past.

 

Here's a few:

Operation Northwoods

Operation Midnight Climax (funniest one by far)

MK Ultra

Project Artichoke

Operation Mockingbird

Iran-Contra

 

Just to name a few @Comedy Time. If it exists or not is irrelevant because we are have been sold horseshit by the pound for decades. Remember those people dying in the streets in Wuhan? Haven't seen a whiff of that just a few sniffles, just like any flu season. Why during lockdown were many hospitals just flat out empty? Refusing patients cancer treatments and mental health services for something that is no worse than a flu bug which was supposed to be bad this year anyway? Why the massive non-scientific, nonsensical push for laws which severely demolishes freedom, business, trade etc? Why were elderly people sent back to the care homes when they were clearly unwell? 

 

If you truly believe that any establishment cares about people's health then you are wrong. Why would they care about some minor illness if they sell booze, drugs and fags in the tonnes to millions of people over decades? 

 

Covid being real or not doesn't matter because that in itself is divide and conquer. What it's being used for however, should be your main concern. If it isn't then well, the Government are looking for people like you. Covid marshall would be the perfect job for you.

 

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18 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

The nurses were silenced from day one, nothing to do with being overworked.

 

Very loud klaxon @oddsnsods

 

Err bullshit. They were also making loads of noise about not having the right equipment. I see you ignored my request for the post "I ignored" whilst ignoring the link with the NHS staff who died from the virus that doesn't exist.

 

18 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

They were so overworked they were putting out tik tok videos every hour of the day.

 

If you say so. How many? 5/10/500/1000? What and tiktok deleted them? 

 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cristina-hops-nurse-tiktok-coronavirus-donald-trump-b914329.html

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/08/us/nurse-reacts-to-trump-downplaying-covid-trnd/index.html

 

https://www.wired.com/story/doctors-nurses-tiktok-fight-covid-myths/

 

Nurses and tiktok huh?

 

18 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

Nobody was allowed inside the hospitals & somebody actually got imprisoned for 14 weeks for filming an empty hospital & posting it on Fakebook.

 

 

Ok, not seen that one. Citation please.

 

18 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

It doesnt surprise me Gareth Icke would take the word of Truegroup.

 

Fuck my old boots, it certainly surprised me!! He didn't want ME as a moderator.

 

18 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

Like he did with his mate MerlinCove on the last forum, who was banning anybody including myself for questioning the Westminster Bridge hoax.

 

If you say so.

 

18 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

Almost like Merlin was following orders.

 

Amazing stuff.

 

18 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

Coz he was pretty gistapo about what he was doing.

 

I liked him, even though he banned me once. 😇

 

18 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

locking people in the rant room then antagonising them till they bite & banning them when he loses the debate.

 

Yes, amazing stuff. Now....about those Nurses not talking about coronavirus. Do you really not know anyone whom works at a hospital?? It was absolute chaos during the first wave.

 

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11 minutes ago, FVCK BILLY G4TES said:

Just to name a few @Comedy Time. If it exists or not is irrelevant because we are have been sold horseshit by the pound for decades. Remember those people dying in the streets in Wuhan? Haven't seen a whiff of that just a few sniffles, just like any flu season. Why during lockdown were many hospitals just flat out empty? Refusing patients cancer treatments and mental health services for something that is no worse than a flu bug which was supposed to be bad this year anyway? Why the massive non-scientific, nonsensical push for laws which severely demolishes freedom, business, trade etc? Why were elderly people sent back to the care homes when they were clearly unwell? 

 

If you truly believe that any establishment cares about people's health then you are wrong. Why would they care about some minor illness if they sell booze, drugs and fags in the tonnes to millions of people over decades? 

 

Covid being real or not doesn't matter because that in itself is divide and conquer. What it's being used for however, should be your main concern. If it isn't then well, the Government are looking for people like you. Covid marshall would be the perfect job for you.

 

 

I don't dispute much shady shit done by governments but in this case it IS relevant whether sars-2 exists. Going after a virus for its inability to cause devastation is one thing( and I don't necessarily have an issue with that), but it is totally different to saying the whole thing is one big hoax or faaked. That is just plain daft.

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6 hours ago, Ecki Divad said:

 

The virus does exist.  In my view, the issue is the public reaction to it.  As for the taxonomy, you're telling me what I already know.  I've already posted above explaining the terminology.  Sorry but I have this thing about people telling me things I already know on the assumption I am ignorant.  It's rude, and it's also annoying.

Yeah, I'm rude and annoying. And you're on my ignore list

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27 minutes ago, SimonTV said:

 

Yes.

 

27 minutes ago, SimonTV said:

You are argumentative.

 

Sometimes. That is the nature of debate. I shut the hell up when someone convinces me I am wrong though.

 

27 minutes ago, SimonTV said:

Anyone that does that multi-quote replies like that will never get a reply from me. 

 

Ok. Well you take care then. Even though you just replied to me.:classic_rolleyes: 

 

p.s. that wasn't trolling by you at all was it.

 

Edit: OK, well that was fun for about 2 pages then it got all stroppy and foot stomping. Unless I get a reply that I absolutely HAVE to respond to.....I'll leave you all to it. Don't want to "troll" this thread by raising legitimate points do I!

 

 

 

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It's a complex issue. 

 

There are other explanations for why there may have been some hospitals busy during the so-called first wave.

 

The first wave caused a panic which inevitably caused a rush. People with ordinary flu-like symptoms (typical for that time of year) may have rushed to hospital out of fear. Not to mention the usual influx of pneumonia patients typical for that season.

 

Staff were told to expect Armageddon; so they were put under pressure. No test was really available (it wasn't practicable). So every suspected case was treated as though it was covid. This panic-stricken environment was a recipe for iatrogenesis. Many patients may have been given the wrong treatment (e.g. ventilation etc.) or mistakes were made. There was no time to think - just follow the top-down directives. 

 

So a rush of panicked patients combined with under-pressure hospital staff led to the appearance that there was indeed a plague, when in reality is was a self-fulfilling prophecy.  

 

I do know a highly experienced ITU nurse. She only had two suspected covid patients during the whole period (and those had severe comorbidities). 

 

It's easy to take things at face value. Unfortunately, the truth of the matter can be very complex. 

 

Worth thinking about. 

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3 hours ago, Comedy Time said:

 

Where did you get all that from? The virologists say they have isolated it, conspiracy theorists who are not virologists suggest lots of things but the bottom line is the claim must be that they are lying. Prove it.

 

 

You could have that as a daily test. But again Hanlon's razor.

 

 

No.

The claimants are the virologists & therefore they are required to submit the proof of isolation, purification, replication and most importantly pathogenicity. 

 

It is not outside the realm of reason in consideration of the scale and bredth of government imcompetancey to attribute it to malice.

A habitual thief and liar after being caught out multiple times cannot be said to be merely incompetant, but severely psychologically maladjusted.

Yet government commits attrocious faux pas on a continual basis and is not considered malicious or subject to some maladjustment - perhaps psychopathy !

 

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