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This topic is for all general discussion regarding the current COVID-19 pandemic. There are of course numerous other related topics for discussing specific aspects of this pandemic in more detail. And there are other parts of this forum for more 'off-topic' discussions.

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4 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

 

You didn't address the point I made. Why would they admit this? And the reference you pointed to was for the original 2019 batch isolates. It makes more sense to work with original strains of a virus rather than potentially mutating versions of it.

 

 

The virus still hasn't been isolated, not today, yesterday, or in 2019!

 

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Citation please.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7361438/

 

"It is crucial to evaluate diagnostic accuracy studies, analytical validity, and testing for agreement in CT, RT‐PCR, and antibodies tests at the different clinical stages. For the moment, whenever possible, it is more useful in clinical practice to evaluate tests by several methods because there is no generally accepted reference standard nor is there a gold test for the diagnosis of COVID‐19"

 

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Why do you repeat your claim already addressed? The virus has been proven to exist and saying it hasn't is very much a King Canute statement.

 

Burden of proof is a wonderful thing. Those who say there's a virus should prove it, shouldn't they? You can't prove a negative, after all.

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1 hour ago, oddsnsods said:

Dr Hilary Jones questions whether democracy should be scrapped to fight coronavirus

 

https://metro.co.uk/2020/09/28/dr-hilary-jones-questions-whether-democracy-should-be-scrapped-to-fight-coronavirus-13336162/?ito=cbshare

 

 

 

He is a short sighted egotistical maniac with no qualifications to match his mouth.

 

The question that should be asked is whether no measures would have been obviously less destructive?

 

Hong Kong flu was over 2.2 times worse than this corona virus.

 

WHO in their right mind would restrict,  fine or prosecute people for trying to LIVE by providing for themselves? By doing what is instinctive!

Ahh yes - tyrants! Governments

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43 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

MMGW is pseudo bollocks,

 

I also dont hold much faith in Rockefeller allopathic poisons either..

 

& im more a herbalist.

 

No it isn't.

 

Some of them are fine for people who haven't time to go hunting for shrubbery.

 

Cool, I have a friend who took some herbal remedies for cancer and one who took them for period pains and nodules on their ovaries. Both cured. But sadly it doesn't work for everyone.

43 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

Your 'fact checker' site, doesn't impress.

 

 

Fine. No problem. Your "alternative" site didn't impress.

 

43 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

Why are you so called sceptics always attacking alternative opinions & calling out "conspiracy pseudo science" but then ignoring obvious fake news..like HCQ has no medical benefit?

 

I don't know, why not go ask one? I'm just pointing out THIS one and as for HCQ I await proof to the contrary and will NOT dismiss it if it stands up to scrutiny.

 

43 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

I never see you talking about fastracked experimental vaccines either & their manufacturers having zero liability.🦆

 

 

I can't debate everything dude. I hate vaccines, not because they don't work to create herd immunity, because they do in general. The concept that they offer immunity is often misunderstood - they work by raising the protection against infection percentage overall and lowering the R number. However I have long since wondered about the long term genetic effects on the immune system down through multiple generations. So slow tracked vaccines bother me for that reason. Imagine what I think of the implications for fast tracked ones that cannot possibly have been tested adequately.

 

Fast tracked anything is asking for trouble. Thalidomide was probably the nastiest bastard drug ever approved.

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1 minute ago, zarkov said:

 

He is a short sighted egotistical maniac with no qualifications to match his mouth.

 

The question that should be asked is whether no measures would have been obviously less destructive?

 

Hong Kong flu was over 2.2 times worse than this corona virus.

 

WHO in their right mind would restrict,  fine or prosecute people for trying to LIVE by providing for themselves? By doing what is instinctive!

Ahh yes - tyrants! Governments

 

Those who sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither!

 

The reality of the 'second wave'. splash splash..

https://twitter.com/Brixton_Ben26/status/1316666417551421441?s=20

 

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-manchester-lockdown-tier-2-3-restrictions-update-boris-johnson-b1043898.html%3famp

 

The manchester mayor is fighting it...but it seems to be that he is fighting for more government money to support rather than fighting for no lockdown. I'm glad someone is saying no though for Manchester 

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35 minutes ago, wingwang said:

The virus still hasn't been isolated, not today, yesterday, or in 2019! Burden of proof is a wonderful thing. Those who say there's a virus should prove it, shouldn't they? You can't prove a negative, after all.

 

 

There are numerous study teams telling the world they have isolated it and are working on a vaccine for it. If they are lying YOU need to prove that. It's hardly a realistic request that they stuff it out for you to look at to verify they have done it. YOU are claiming it is a negative, you need to show why they are lying and more importantly why. I mean, why is is so unlikely that they can isolate another coronavirus?

 

We've moved the goalposts slightly. You said it hadn't been isolated, I gave you links that it had, you claimed they weren't valid methods and failed to demonstrate why. 

 

35 minutes ago, wingwang said:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7361438/

 

"It is crucial to evaluate diagnostic accuracy studies, analytical validity, and testing for agreement in CT, RT‐PCR, and antibodies tests at the different clinical stages. For the moment, whenever possible, it is more useful in clinical practice to evaluate tests by several methods because there is no generally accepted reference standard nor is there a gold test for the diagnosis of COVID‐19"

 

 

You need to reread that. It says there is no gold standard for diagnosis. It doesn't say what you claimed, that the actual methodology for isolating the virus was not a gold standard. You said "RT-PCR is not considered the gold standard by virologists. "

 

Edit: detecting something (diagnosis) is not the same as isolating it for further testing.

 

A test to isolate RNA when Sars-2 is RNA - now either show a reason why that is not valid or accept that the method works and they have isolated the virus. Or prove they are lying.

 

 

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1 minute ago, greatdayforfreedom said:

 

A  vaccine for a virus that doesn't exist.  Will you take the vaccine for it? (rhetorical question).

 

Listen. YOU are the one claiming it doesn't exist. People who work on viruses say it does. They have isolated it and there are numerous places stating the same thing. All you are doing is saying they are lying.

 

Take the fast tracked untested vaccine for this? I'd rather inject putrid pisswater into my veins. Does that clarify my position?

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11 minutes ago, Basket Case said:


Your timing is impeccable...... 🤨 
 

 

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No, yours is (but what for I have no idea). It said "33 minutes ago" when YOU looked at my reply - go look now!  Page number 330? Again I don't know what you are talking about, it's 329 at the moment isn't it? 

 

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1 minute ago, Comedy Time said:

 

No, yours is (but what for I have no idea). It said "33 minutes ago" when YOU looked at my reply. Page number 330? Again I don't know what you are talking about, it's 329 at the moment isn't it? 


Your post was the first on page 330.
And knowing your fascination for coincidences and recurring number themes l just had to point it out..
You replied to WingWang exactly 33 minutes after he posted it as my picture shows.
BC  :O)

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12 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

 

Edit: detecting something (diagnosis) is not the same as isolating it for further testing.

 

 

Exactly. And RT-PCR does not isolate any virus according to Koch's postulates. Ergo, covid hasn't been isolated to a gold standard.

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2 minutes ago, Basket Case said:


Your post was the first on page 330.
And knowing your fascination for coincidences and recurring number themes l just had to point it out..
You replied to WingWang exactly 33 minutes after he posted it as my picture shows.
BC  :O)

 

NO I DID NOT. I replied x number of minutes after he posted - when YOU looked at my post, that was how long ago it was. Unless you clicked it the split second I posted it.

 

We ain't on page 330 yet, so no idea what you are talking about. Is this some daft obscure freemasonry shite?

 

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4 minutes ago, Basket Case said:


Your post was the first on page 330.
And knowing your fascination for coincidences and recurring number themes l just had to point it out..
You replied to WingWang exactly 33 minutes after he posted it as my picture shows.
BC  :O)

 

I find this funny. But tbf,  fuckin ell, do you think Comedy Time sits there refreshing the page until it lapsed 33 minutes, must be coincidence eh

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3 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

 

NO I DID NOT. I replied x number of minutes after he posted - when YOU looked at my post, that was how long ago it was. Unless you clicked it the split second I posted it.

 

We ain't on page 330 yet, so no idea what you are talking about. Is this some daft obscure freemasonry shite?

 

329.jpg

 

Yeah I'm still on page 329 ?

 

I wanna know why BC has got an extra page of posts  :-D

 

(thread derailing a tad)

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1 hour ago, Comedy Time said:

 

You didn't address the point I made. Why would they admit this? And the reference you pointed to was for the original 2019 batch isolates. It makes more sense to work with original strains of a virus rather than potentially mutating versions of it.

 

 

Citation please.

 

Why do you repeat your claim already addressed? The virus has been proven to exist and saying it hasn't is very much a King Canute statement.

 

Proving a virus exists doesn't prove that there is an epidemic. 

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7 minutes ago, FrankVitali said:

 

I find this funny. But tbf,  fuckin ell, do you think Comedy Time sits there refreshing the page until it lapsed 33 minutes, must be coincidence eh

 

7 minutes ago, FrankVitali said:

 

Yeah I'm still on page 329 ?

 

I wanna know why BC has got an extra page of posts  :-D

 

(thread derailing a tad)


l was pulling Comedy Times plonker  😂
As for page numbers, l guess hidden posts in this long thread have put Mods pages out of sync with members pages...?
 

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Just now, SimonTV said:

Proving a virus exists doesn't prove that there is an epidemic. 

 

I agree. I don't think there IS an epidemic or pandemic yet. It is a very bad flu virus that hasn't gone out of control.  Yet.

 

I don't understand the blanket denial of this virus rather than the more realistic one of those who claim it's ferocity is exaggerated. I have no problem with the latter - kind of, but the former is a bit daft.

 

 

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Just now, Comedy Time said:

 

I agree. I don't think there IS an epidemic or pandemic yet. It is a very bad flu virus that hasn't gone out of control.  Yet.

 

I don't understand the blanket denial of this virus rather than the more realistic one of those who claim it's ferocity is exaggerated. I have no problem with the latter - kind of, but the former is a bit daft.

 

 

 

The PCR test is a fraud, there is no doubt that test should not be used to determine whether people are infected with a virus. This has been discussed at length and to act like you have not seen all those articles is disingenuous. The misrepresentation of the cause of death has also been discussed at length and to ignore that is also disingenuous. To then continue to claim that there is a covid-19 related out break is incorrect when acknowledging that the PCR test is a fraud and the death certificates are a fraud. 

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