Guest Gone Fishing... Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 11 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said: In hospital clinics in South London rows of 4 seats have 3 taped up. Waiting rooms that are normally so full people are having to stand up are now as good as empty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 22 minutes ago, Comedy Time said: It makes no sense to frame your argument around things that have a logical alternative and where the supposed perpetrators can simply deceive a bit better. It isn't difficult for either of those 2. Good ol Occam's razor! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gone Fishing... Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, SimonTV said: PAPERS PAPERS If everyone did this and wasted 15+ minutes of police time then they'd have to rethink their tactics because streets would come to an absolute standstill.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comedy Time Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Just now, Mr H said: Good ol Occam's razor! That isn't Occam as such. If the claim is that these people are fabricating and lying, then why would they admit something they didn't need to and why devise a test that any virologist would be able to identify as not valid? I would like someone to answer that if possible, because so many conspiracies crop up without considering truly obvious things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gone Fishing... Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 18 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingwang Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, Comedy Time said: Why would they admit they have none when they could just lie? Is there not the possibility that they just used them all? That did make me giggle! "Sorry, Sir, you can't have any covid today, I'm sorry to say we ran out during this pandemic!" Quote If you think the method invalid, why don't virologists? And why don't they just lie about that too? It makes no sense to frame your argument around things that have a logical alternative and where the supposed perpetrators can simply deceive a bit better. It isn't difficult for either of those 2. Sars-2 is a single stranded RNA betacoronavirus and as such using a method specifically designed for RNA is not invalid. Why do you think it so? RT-PCR is not considered the gold standard by virologists. Where's the virus? It's still not proven to exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddsnsods Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 3 hours ago, Comedy Time said: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/principia-scientific-international/ Duck noise needs imagination. MMGW is pseudo bollocks, I also dont hold much faith in Rockefeller allopathic poisons either..& im more a herbalist. Your 'fact checker' site, doesn't impress. Why are you so called sceptics always attacking alternative opinions & calling out "conspiracy pseudo science" but then ignoring obvious fake news..like HCQ has no medical benefit? I never see you talking about fastracked experimental vaccines either & their manufacturers having zero liability. https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/distributing-vaccines-and-treatments-for-covid-19-and-flu https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/ https://hcqtrial.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonTV Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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oddsnsods Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Pubs face £1,000 fine if they don’t stop people dancing and singing https://metro.co.uk/2020/09/28/pub-landlords-must-stop-drinkers-singing-and-dancing-or-face-1000-fine-13340341/?ito=cbshare Wheres the science for this bullshit?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comedy Time Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 24 minutes ago, wingwang said: That did make me giggle! "Sorry, Sir, you can't have any covid today, I'm sorry to say we ran out during this pandemic!" You didn't address the point I made. Why would they admit this? And the reference you pointed to was for the original 2019 batch isolates. It makes more sense to work with original strains of a virus rather than potentially mutating versions of it. 24 minutes ago, wingwang said: RT-PCR is not considered the gold standard by virologists. Citation please. 24 minutes ago, wingwang said: Where's the virus? It's still not proven to exist. Why do you repeat your claim already addressed? The virus has been proven to exist and saying it hasn't is very much a King Canute statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zarkov Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 14 hours ago, dumbcritic said: Accept the 'new normal,' and we succumb to this...! Thanks for the video @dumbcritic Tom Woods puts it into objective perspective - Lockdowns in the west causes economic catastrophe. Lowering demand with 3rd world trading partners where hand to mouth existence is common. - 3rd world countries are then subject to enormous socio-economic destruction as trade demand wanes! - UN in April indicated that 100's of thousands child deaths in 2020 could be caused as a result of economic impact of lockdowns and unicef extended that prediction to 130 million in over two dozen countries around the world. Lockdown is predictably more dangerous than a so called pathogenic virus! I read that in Germany prison inmates cannot be proesecuted for attempting to escape incarceration. Survival is something that all life instinctively strives towards. The survival instinct is wholey dependant on freedom/liberty to make life affirming choices. A man cannot be prosecuteed for trying to escape to surrvive Remove a mans ability to provide for himself and you condemn him to death. You cannot remove a mans freedom to provide for himself. It contravenes mans innate instinct and right to survive. The instinct to work and survive cannot be penalised. Viral Virtue signalling via social distancing, lockdown, mask wearing, hand sanitising wankers in effect causes widespread death! Ridiculous political policies directly and indirectly cause death. Governments and associated authorities are anti-life institutions and are not fot for purpose. These obvious catestrpohic potential projections were clearly known well before. 1968 - Hong Kong flu supposedly caused 1-4 million deaths of a 3.5 billon population In 2020 - Hong Kong flu would have caused an estimated 2.3 - 8.9 million deaths proportionally! (in a population of 7.8 billion) There was no requirement for lockdowns or other measures and the economy remained intact! Everyone should return to work and resume an ordinary life IMMEDIATELY ! LOCKDOWNs CAUSE DEATH ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddsnsods Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Dr Hilary Jones questions whether democracy should be scrapped to fight coronavirus https://metro.co.uk/2020/09/28/dr-hilary-jones-questions-whether-democracy-should-be-scrapped-to-fight-coronavirus-13336162/?ito=cbshare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddsnsods Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Why can’t we talk about the Great Barrington Declaration? https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-cant-we-talk-about-the-great-barrington-declaration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingwang Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, Comedy Time said: You didn't address the point I made. Why would they admit this? And the reference you pointed to was for the original 2019 batch isolates. It makes more sense to work with original strains of a virus rather than potentially mutating versions of it. The virus still hasn't been isolated, not today, yesterday, or in 2019! Quote Citation please. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7361438/ "It is crucial to evaluate diagnostic accuracy studies, analytical validity, and testing for agreement in CT, RT‐PCR, and antibodies tests at the different clinical stages. For the moment, whenever possible, it is more useful in clinical practice to evaluate tests by several methods because there is no generally accepted reference standard nor is there a gold test for the diagnosis of COVID‐19" Quote Why do you repeat your claim already addressed? The virus has been proven to exist and saying it hasn't is very much a King Canute statement. Burden of proof is a wonderful thing. Those who say there's a virus should prove it, shouldn't they? You can't prove a negative, after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingwang Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Covid alert level: London, Essex and other areas moving to Tier 2 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54551596 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zarkov Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, oddsnsods said: Dr Hilary Jones questions whether democracy should be scrapped to fight coronavirus https://metro.co.uk/2020/09/28/dr-hilary-jones-questions-whether-democracy-should-be-scrapped-to-fight-coronavirus-13336162/?ito=cbshare He is a short sighted egotistical maniac with no qualifications to match his mouth. The question that should be asked is whether no measures would have been obviously less destructive? Hong Kong flu was over 2.2 times worse than this corona virus. WHO in their right mind would restrict, fine or prosecute people for trying to LIVE by providing for themselves? By doing what is instinctive! Ahh yes - tyrants! Governments Edited October 15, 2020 by zarkov 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Comedy Time Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 43 minutes ago, oddsnsods said: MMGW is pseudo bollocks, I also dont hold much faith in Rockefeller allopathic poisons either.. & im more a herbalist. No it isn't. Some of them are fine for people who haven't time to go hunting for shrubbery. Cool, I have a friend who took some herbal remedies for cancer and one who took them for period pains and nodules on their ovaries. Both cured. But sadly it doesn't work for everyone. 43 minutes ago, oddsnsods said: Your 'fact checker' site, doesn't impress. Fine. No problem. Your "alternative" site didn't impress. 43 minutes ago, oddsnsods said: Why are you so called sceptics always attacking alternative opinions & calling out "conspiracy pseudo science" but then ignoring obvious fake news..like HCQ has no medical benefit? I don't know, why not go ask one? I'm just pointing out THIS one and as for HCQ I await proof to the contrary and will NOT dismiss it if it stands up to scrutiny. 43 minutes ago, oddsnsods said: I never see you talking about fastracked experimental vaccines either & their manufacturers having zero liability. I can't debate everything dude. I hate vaccines, not because they don't work to create herd immunity, because they do in general. The concept that they offer immunity is often misunderstood - they work by raising the protection against infection percentage overall and lowering the R number. However I have long since wondered about the long term genetic effects on the immune system down through multiple generations. So slow tracked vaccines bother me for that reason. Imagine what I think of the implications for fast tracked ones that cannot possibly have been tested adequately. Fast tracked anything is asking for trouble. Thalidomide was probably the nastiest bastard drug ever approved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddsnsods Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 minute ago, zarkov said: He is a short sighted egotistical maniac with no qualifications to match his mouth. The question that should be asked is whether no measures would have been obviously less destructive? Hong Kong flu was over 2.2 times worse than this corona virus. WHO in their right mind would restrict, fine or prosecute people for trying to LIVE by providing for themselves? By doing what is instinctive! Ahh yes - tyrants! Governments Those who sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither! The reality of the 'second wave'. splash splash.. https://twitter.com/Brixton_Ben26/status/1316666417551421441?s=20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zarkov Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 hour ago, EnigmaticWorld said: Guns and bullets to fight a coronavirus. Clearly about a virus! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jode Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-manchester-lockdown-tier-2-3-restrictions-update-boris-johnson-b1043898.html%3famp The manchester mayor is fighting it...but it seems to be that he is fighting for more government money to support rather than fighting for no lockdown. I'm glad someone is saying no though for Manchester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comedy Time Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, wingwang said: The virus still hasn't been isolated, not today, yesterday, or in 2019! Burden of proof is a wonderful thing. Those who say there's a virus should prove it, shouldn't they? You can't prove a negative, after all. There are numerous study teams telling the world they have isolated it and are working on a vaccine for it. If they are lying YOU need to prove that. It's hardly a realistic request that they stuff it out for you to look at to verify they have done it. YOU are claiming it is a negative, you need to show why they are lying and more importantly why. I mean, why is is so unlikely that they can isolate another coronavirus? We've moved the goalposts slightly. You said it hadn't been isolated, I gave you links that it had, you claimed they weren't valid methods and failed to demonstrate why. 35 minutes ago, wingwang said: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7361438/ "It is crucial to evaluate diagnostic accuracy studies, analytical validity, and testing for agreement in CT, RT‐PCR, and antibodies tests at the different clinical stages. For the moment, whenever possible, it is more useful in clinical practice to evaluate tests by several methods because there is no generally accepted reference standard nor is there a gold test for the diagnosis of COVID‐19" You need to reread that. It says there is no gold standard for diagnosis. It doesn't say what you claimed, that the actual methodology for isolating the virus was not a gold standard. You said "RT-PCR is not considered the gold standard by virologists. " Edit: detecting something (diagnosis) is not the same as isolating it for further testing. A test to isolate RNA when Sars-2 is RNA - now either show a reason why that is not valid or accept that the method works and they have isolated the virus. Or prove they are lying. Edited October 15, 2020 by Comedy Time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatdayforfreedom Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, Comedy Time said: There are numerous study teams telling the world they have isolated it and are working on a vaccine for it. A vaccine for a virus that doesn't exist. Will you take the vaccine for it? (rhetorical question). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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