Coronavirus Mega-Thread.

[wingwang]

1 hour ago, Comedy Time said:

 

and @greatdayforfreedom

 

https://www.icgeb.org/the-sars-cov-2-virus-has-been-isolated-and-the-full-genome-sequenced-at-icgeb-trieste-italy/

 

 

They didn't isolate, they used RT-PCR. Here's the full paper:

 

https://jvi.asm.org/content/jvi/94/11/e00543-20.full.pdf

 

 

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https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaotolaryngology/fullarticle/2768620

 

 

Again, they didn't isolate, they used RT-PCR. Look at the fourth citation on that link:

 

 

The same CDC who, I quote,

 

"Since no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV are currently available, assays designed for detection of the 2019-nCoV RNA were tested with characterized stocks of in vitro transcribed full length RNA (N gene; GenBank accession: MN908947.2) of known titer (RNA copies/µL) spiked into a diluent consisting of a suspension of human A549 cells and viral transport medium (VTM) to mimic clinical specimen." 

 

From page 39: https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download

 

It's all looking very fishy, don't you think? The isolated virus that hasn't truly been isolated. Hmmmm...

 

I could go on with the other links you posted, however...

 

 

[Comedy Time]

33 minutes ago, wingwang said:

 

They didn't isolate, they used RT-PCR. Here's the full paper:

 

https://jvi.asm.org/content/jvi/94/11/e00543-20.full.pdf

 

 

 

Again, they didn't isolate, they used RT-PCR. Look at the fourth citation on that link:

 

 

The same CDC who, I quote,

 

"Since no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV are currently available, assays designed for detection of the 2019-nCoV RNA were tested with characterized stocks of in vitro transcribed full length RNA (N gene; GenBank accession: MN908947.2) of known titer (RNA copies/µL) spiked into a diluent consisting of a suspension of human A549 cells and viral transport medium (VTM) to mimic clinical specimen." 

 

From page 39: https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download

 

It's all looking very fishy, don't you think? The isolated virus that hasn't truly been isolated. Hmmmm...

 

I could go on with the other links you posted, however...

 

 

 

I actually had to read your post a few times to understand what you are claiming here. It's almost as though you think the method used to isolate the virus is invalid because of some odd reason. RT-PCR is a method to isolate RNA.

 

Why did you highlight the reference when it is not used in the paper. These are not citing references they are external links for corroboration. Your example shows  reference is number 5...not 4.

 

Why did you reference an early CDC release?

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/grows-virus-cell-culture.html

SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, was isolated in the laboratory and is available for research by the scientific and medical community.

 

 

 

Edited October 15, 2020 by Comedy Time

[shadowmoon]

https://themostdangerousmen.wordpress.com/2020/10/11/shortest-ever-essay-on-human-liberty-in-the-21st-century/amp/

 

Saying ‘No’ requires that you inform your Electoral Registration Officer that you no longer Consent to the governance of the Parliament, and that you demand to have your details removed from the Electoral Roll.

 

If done en-masse, loudly and publicly, then the Establishment would be placed into an impossible dilemma.   Does it admit that you are free to reject its ‘authority’, or does it demand that you MUST be subject to its Will?

 

It costs nothing.
You don’t have to get off the couch.
Avoid street protests/travel/disruption.
Non-violent.
Very simple and potentially very quick to instigate.
WE seize the initiative from the Establishment.
Inclusive. No financial outlay. Disabled people can ‘protest’.

 

 

 

[wingwang]

29 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

 

I actually had to read your post a few times to understand what you are claiming here. It's almost as though you think the method used to isolate the virus is invalid because of some odd reason. RT-PCR is a method to isolate RNA.

 

Why did you highlight the 5th (not 4th) reference when it is not used in the paper. These are not citing references they are external links for corroboration.

 

Why did you reference an early CDC release?

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/grows-virus-cell-culture.html

SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, was isolated in the laboratory and is available for research by the scientific and medical community.

 

 

 

 

There's a whole load of twisting right there!

 

RT-PCR uses RNA as a template and does not isolate.

 

The fourth citation I quoted is from: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaotolaryngology/fullarticle/2768620

 

The CDC release I quoted was from July, the same month this article you posted was released: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaotolaryngology/fullarticle/2768620

 

But it's interesting. In May "SARS-CoV-2 strains supplied by CDC and other researchers can be requested, free" then in July the CDC has none available!

 

 

[SimonTV]

Many people are making £billions off this fake pandemic while millions more people have lost everything. 

[Jack]

I love this photo.

 

The hate they are getting from this photo is bizarre.

 

this is just from one tweet but other message tweet of the photos are in their 000's.

 

Even Midge Ure commented 

 

https://twitter.com/Charbrevolution/status/1316400019868704769

[Comedy Time]

19 minutes ago, wingwang said:

 

There's a whole load of twisting right there!

 

RT-PCR uses RNA as a template and does not isolate.

 

The fourth citation I quoted is from: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaotolaryngology/fullarticle/2768620

 

The CDC release I quoted was from July, the same month this article you posted was released: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaotolaryngology/fullarticle/2768620

 

But it's interesting. In May "SARS-CoV-2 strains supplied by CDC and other researchers can be requested, free" then in July the CDC has none available!

 

 

 

Why would they admit they have none when they could just lie? Is there not the possibility that they just used them all?

 

If you think the method invalid, why don't virologists? And why don't they just lie about that too?

 

It makes no sense to frame your argument around things that have a logical alternative and where the supposed perpetrators can simply deceive a bit better. It isn't difficult for either of those 2.

 

Sars-2 is a single stranded RNA betacoronavirus and as such using a method specifically designed for RNA is not invalid. Why do you think it so?

 

 

 

[SimonTV]

 

PAPERS PAPERS

Edited October 15, 2020 by SimonTV

[Illmatic]

1 hour ago, Jode said:

Yep...I think that's why people keep talking about Japan ect "no lockdown and low cases" - they have a really sophisticated track and trace system...... 

 

Yeah I think it's fine for as long as we can write "Fred Flintstone" onto these tracing forms.

 

It's when we're all locked into a tracking grid via a mandatory health app that I'd agree with Ziggy and say "we're fucked". 

 

 

[EnigmaticWorld]

[Illmatic]

1 minute ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Haha what Dave doesn't mention is that those signs have been there since March.

 

Unfortunately I don't think you do, Ireland is going back to the 70s, a backwater that planes will fly over and out of but nobody will ever bother trying to live in or visit.

[Basket Case]

11 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

In hospital clinics in South London rows of 4 seats have 3 taped up. 

Waiting rooms that are normally so full people are having to stand up are now as good as empty 

 

[Mr H]

22 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

 

 

It makes no sense to frame your argument around things that have a logical alternative and where the supposed perpetrators can simply deceive a bit better. It isn't difficult for either of those 2.

 

 

 

 

 

Good ol Occam's razor!

[Basket Case]

19 minutes ago, SimonTV said:

 

PAPERS PAPERS

 

If everyone did this and wasted 15+ minutes of police time then they'd have to rethink their tactics because streets would come to an absolute standstill..

 

 

[Comedy Time]

Just now, Mr H said:

Good ol Occam's razor!

 

That isn't Occam as such.

 

If the claim is that these people are fabricating and lying, then why would they admit something they didn't need to and why devise a test that any virologist would be able to identify as not valid?

 

I would like someone to answer that if possible, because so many conspiracies crop up without considering truly obvious things.

[Basket Case]

18 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

 

[wingwang]

4 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

 

Why would they admit they have none when they could just lie? Is there not the possibility that they just used them all?

 

 

That did make me giggle!

 

"Sorry, Sir, you can't have any covid today, I'm sorry to say we ran out during this pandemic!"

 

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If you think the method invalid, why don't virologists? And why don't they just lie about that too?

 

It makes no sense to frame your argument around things that have a logical alternative and where the supposed perpetrators can simply deceive a bit better. It isn't difficult for either of those 2.

 

Sars-2 is a single stranded RNA betacoronavirus and as such using a method specifically designed for RNA is not invalid. Why do you think it so?

 

RT-PCR is not considered the gold standard by virologists. Where's the virus? It's still not proven to exist.

[oddsnsods]

3 hours ago, Comedy Time said:

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/principia-scientific-international/

 

Duck noise needs imagination.

 

MMGW is pseudo bollocks, I also dont hold much faith in Rockefeller allopathic poisons either..& im more a herbalist.

Your 'fact checker' site, doesn't impress.

Why are you so called sceptics always attacking alternative opinions & calling out "conspiracy pseudo science" but then ignoring obvious fake news..like HCQ has no medical benefit?

I never see you talking about fastracked experimental vaccines either & their manufacturers having zero liability.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/distributing-vaccines-and-treatments-for-covid-19-and-flu

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/

 

https://hcqtrial.com/

 

 

[SimonTV]

 

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[oddsnsods]

Pubs face £1,000 fine if they don’t stop people dancing and singing

 

https://metro.co.uk/2020/09/28/pub-landlords-must-stop-drinkers-singing-and-dancing-or-face-1000-fine-13340341/?ito=cbshare

 

Wheres the science for this bullshit??

[Comedy Time]

24 minutes ago, wingwang said:

That did make me giggle! "Sorry, Sir, you can't have any covid today, I'm sorry to say we ran out during this pandemic!"

 

You didn't address the point I made. Why would they admit this? And the reference you pointed to was for the original 2019 batch isolates. It makes more sense to work with original strains of a virus rather than potentially mutating versions of it.

 

24 minutes ago, wingwang said:

RT-PCR is not considered the gold standard by virologists. 

 

Citation please.

 

24 minutes ago, wingwang said:

Where's the virus? It's still not proven to exist.

Why do you repeat your claim already addressed? The virus has been proven to exist and saying it hasn't is very much a King Canute statement.

[zarkov]

14 hours ago, dumbcritic said:

Accept the 'new normal,' and we succumb to this...!

 

 

Thanks for the video @dumbcritic

Tom Woods puts it into objective perspective

 

 

- Lockdowns in the west causes economic catastrophe. Lowering demand with 3rd world trading partners where  hand to mouth existence is common.

- 3rd world countries are then subject to enormous socio-economic destruction as trade demand wanes! 

- UN in April indicated that 100's of thousands child deaths in 2020 could be caused as a result of economic impact of lockdowns and unicef extended that prediction to 130 million in over two dozen countries around the world.

 

Lockdown is predictably more dangerous than a so called pathogenic virus!

 

I read that in Germany prison inmates cannot be proesecuted for attempting to escape incarceration.

Survival is something that all life instinctively strives towards.

The survival instinct is wholey dependant on freedom/liberty to make life affirming choices.

A man cannot be prosecuteed for trying to escape to surrvive

 

Remove a mans ability to provide for himself and you condemn him to death.

You cannot remove a mans freedom to provide for himself.

It contravenes mans innate instinct and right to survive.

The instinct to work and survive cannot be penalised.

 

 

Viral Virtue signalling via social distancing, lockdown, mask wearing, hand sanitising wankers in effect causes widespread death!

 

Ridiculous political policies directly and indirectly cause death.

Governments and associated authorities are anti-life institutions and are not fot for purpose.

 

These obvious catestrpohic potential projections were clearly known well before.

 

 

1968 - Hong Kong flu supposedly caused 1-4 million deaths of a 3.5 billon population

In  2020 - Hong Kong flu  would have caused an estimated 2.3 - 8.9 million deaths proportionally! (in a population of 7.8 billion)

There was no requirement for lockdowns or other measures and the economy remained intact!

 

Everyone should return to work and resume an ordinary life IMMEDIATELY !

 

LOCKDOWNs CAUSE DEATH !

 

 

 

 

 

[oddsnsods]

Dr Hilary Jones questions whether democracy should be scrapped to fight coronavirus

 

https://metro.co.uk/2020/09/28/dr-hilary-jones-questions-whether-democracy-should-be-scrapped-to-fight-coronavirus-13336162/?ito=cbshare