Illmatic Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) I think the way to beat this in terms of business is mass, organised disobedience. If you take my city of Dublin as an example, bars have been heavily restricted or completely closed since March. If even 50% of the bars decided to ignore regulations and open at full capacity it would be impossible to punish them all. Not likely though. Edited October 14, 2020 by Illmatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Humungus Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Ecki Divad said: The virus does exist and can be tested for. The point of issue is the rate of mortality and morbidity and the relationship between the two. The problem is that governments and media have grossly exaggerated the threat of an ordinary illness and induced mass hysteria. The "virus" can't be isolated. So it doesn't exist. The tests just show if you have symptoms of Coronavirus. Coronavirus is not Covid 19. It's a broad term for every Coronavirus. Including the Flu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddsnsods Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Test & trace consultants are paid £7,360 a DAY: Fury as private sector company is handed cash equivalent of £1.5 million annual salary for coronavirus tracking https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8841107/Test-trace-consultants-paid-7-360-DAY-Fury-private-sector-company-handed-cash.html 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wideawake Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 hour ago, oddsnsods said: Test & trace consultants are paid £7,360 a DAY: Fury as private sector company is handed cash equivalent of £1.5 million annual salary for coronavirus tracking https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8841107/Test-trace-consultants-paid-7-360-DAY-Fury-private-sector-company-handed-cash.html I suspect that is why so many in the higher echelons (politicians, big business owners, corporations of course, etc) are not saying anything against the Convid scam. With money offers like that, most will take the cash and go along with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comedy Time Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 9 hours ago, oddsnsods said: This has been doing the rounds. https://principia-scientific.com/even-cdc-now-admits-no-gold-standard-of-covid19-virus-isolate/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/principia-scientific-international/ Duck noise needs imagination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comedy Time Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Lord Humungus said: The "virus" can't be isolated. So it doesn't exist. The tests just show if you have symptoms of Coronavirus. Coronavirus is not Covid 19. It's a broad term for every Coronavirus. Including the Flu and @greatdayforfreedom https://www.icgeb.org/the-sars-cov-2-virus-has-been-isolated-and-the-full-genome-sequenced-at-icgeb-trieste-italy/ https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaotolaryngology/fullarticle/2768620 https://www.virology.ws/2020/05/07/there-is-one-and-only-one-strain-of-sars-cov-2/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32080990/ https://sunnybrook.ca/research/media/item.asp?c=2&i=2069&f=covid-19-isolated-2020#.XmsmoGqClHs.twitter Edited October 15, 2020 by Comedy Time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Liebestein Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 6 hours ago, wideawake said: I suspect that is why so many in the higher echelons (politicians, big business owners, corporations of course, etc) are not saying anything against the Convid scam. With money offers like that, most will take the cash and go along with it. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" - Upton Sinclair 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesuitsdidit Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 10 hours ago, Basket Case said: A friend had a colonoscopy booked for this coming Saturday. He was told that unless the Convid1984 swab test from the Pre-Op today came back negative the procedure on Saturday would be cancelled. Right or wrong.....how do you get past something like this to get the procedure you need done ? Go to a Naturopathic doctor and he will probably cure you without cutting you open. It's called real medicine vs pharma medicine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jode Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 10 hours ago, Illmatic said: Yeah possibly, had this thought as well. Let's save small businesses with no choice by making them buy into this app which checks testing and vaccine history, and thereby end the lockdowns. That or go out of business. Some choice. Yep...I think that's why people keep talking about Japan ect "no lockdown and low cases" - they have a really sophisticated track and trace system...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecki Divad Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 11 hours ago, SimonTV said: A virus may exist that doesn't prove there is a contagious threat. Measles exists and if a PCR test was done on measles people would probably come back positive. That doesn't mean we have measles floating through the air at every market place or street. We don't send our children to school with masks because of measles risk. The existence of a virus does not prove people are dying because of it. Especially when the majority of the people that are sick are old and have flu and pneumonia type symptoms. As I've already said, in my view the fraud or mistake (depending on your view) is in the reaction to the virus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankVitali Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Actually Measles doesn't exist. https://en.preprod.reseauinternational.net/german-supreme-court-rules-measles-does-not-exist/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecki Divad Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, Lord Humungus said: The "virus" can't be isolated. So it doesn't exist. The tests just show if you have symptoms of Coronavirus. Coronavirus is not Covid 19. It's a broad term for every Coronavirus. Including the Flu The virus does exist. In my view, the issue is the public reaction to it. As for the taxonomy, you're telling me what I already know. I've already posted above explaining the terminology. Sorry but I have this thing about people telling me things I already know on the assumption I am ignorant. It's rude, and it's also annoying. Edited October 15, 2020 by Ecki Divad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecki Divad Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 10 hours ago, FrankVitali said: Don't agree with that at all. The tests are not reliable whatsoever. I didn't say the tests are 100% swear-on-your-mother absolutely reliable . Try thinking for yourself instead of swallowing the simple-minded 'black-and-white' propaganda of one side or the other. Try to look at things a bit more objectively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecki Divad Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 12 hours ago, Basket Case said: A friend had a colonoscopy booked for this coming Saturday. He was told that unless the Convid1984 swab test from the Pre-Op today came back negative the procedure on Saturday would be cancelled. Right or wrong.....how do you get past something like this to get the procedure you need done ? In that situation, there may be few options. I suppose it depends on the urgency of the procedure and the resolve of the individual. I accept that if I had an emergency or urgent procedure, I would have to submit to their request. Otherwise I would consider my options, including complaining and legal threats. It does depend on what the legal basis for the request is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingwang Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Comedy Time said: and @greatdayforfreedom https://www.icgeb.org/the-sars-cov-2-virus-has-been-isolated-and-the-full-genome-sequenced-at-icgeb-trieste-italy/ They didn't isolate, they used RT-PCR. Here's the full paper: https://jvi.asm.org/content/jvi/94/11/e00543-20.full.pdf Quote https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaotolaryngology/fullarticle/2768620 Again, they didn't isolate, they used RT-PCR. Look at the fourth citation on that link: The same CDC who, I quote, "Since no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV are currently available, assays designed for detection of the 2019-nCoV RNA were tested with characterized stocks of in vitro transcribed full length RNA (N gene; GenBank accession: MN908947.2) of known titer (RNA copies/µL) spiked into a diluent consisting of a suspension of human A549 cells and viral transport medium (VTM) to mimic clinical specimen." From page 39: https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download It's all looking very fishy, don't you think? The isolated virus that hasn't truly been isolated. Hmmmm... I could go on with the other links you posted, however... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comedy Time Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, wingwang said: They didn't isolate, they used RT-PCR. Here's the full paper: https://jvi.asm.org/content/jvi/94/11/e00543-20.full.pdf Again, they didn't isolate, they used RT-PCR. Look at the fourth citation on that link: The same CDC who, I quote, "Since no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV are currently available, assays designed for detection of the 2019-nCoV RNA were tested with characterized stocks of in vitro transcribed full length RNA (N gene; GenBank accession: MN908947.2) of known titer (RNA copies/µL) spiked into a diluent consisting of a suspension of human A549 cells and viral transport medium (VTM) to mimic clinical specimen." From page 39: https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download It's all looking very fishy, don't you think? The isolated virus that hasn't truly been isolated. Hmmmm... I could go on with the other links you posted, however... I actually had to read your post a few times to understand what you are claiming here. It's almost as though you think the method used to isolate the virus is invalid because of some odd reason. RT-PCR is a method to isolate RNA. Why did you highlight the reference when it is not used in the paper. These are not citing references they are external links for corroboration. Your example shows reference is number 5...not 4. Why did you reference an early CDC release? https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/grows-virus-cell-culture.html SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, was isolated in the laboratory and is available for research by the scientific and medical community. Edited October 15, 2020 by Comedy Time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowmoon Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 https://themostdangerousmen.wordpress.com/2020/10/11/shortest-ever-essay-on-human-liberty-in-the-21st-century/amp/ Saying ‘No’ requires that you inform your Electoral Registration Officer that you no longer Consent to the governance of the Parliament, and that you demand to have your details removed from the Electoral Roll. If done en-masse, loudly and publicly, then the Establishment would be placed into an impossible dilemma. Does it admit that you are free to reject its ‘authority’, or does it demand that you MUST be subject to its Will? It costs nothing. You don’t have to get off the couch. Avoid street protests/travel/disruption. Non-violent. Very simple and potentially very quick to instigate. WE seize the initiative from the Establishment. Inclusive. No financial outlay. Disabled people can ‘protest’. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingwang Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 29 minutes ago, Comedy Time said: I actually had to read your post a few times to understand what you are claiming here. It's almost as though you think the method used to isolate the virus is invalid because of some odd reason. RT-PCR is a method to isolate RNA. Why did you highlight the 5th (not 4th) reference when it is not used in the paper. These are not citing references they are external links for corroboration. Why did you reference an early CDC release? https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/grows-virus-cell-culture.html SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, was isolated in the laboratory and is available for research by the scientific and medical community. There's a whole load of twisting right there! RT-PCR uses RNA as a template and does not isolate. The fourth citation I quoted is from: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaotolaryngology/fullarticle/2768620 The CDC release I quoted was from July, the same month this article you posted was released: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaotolaryngology/fullarticle/2768620 But it's interesting. In May "SARS-CoV-2 strains supplied by CDC and other researchers can be requested, free" then in July the CDC has none available! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonTV Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Many people are making £billions off this fake pandemic while millions more people have lost everything. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 I love this photo. The hate they are getting from this photo is bizarre. this is just from one tweet but other message tweet of the photos are in their 000's. Even Midge Ure commented https://twitter.com/Charbrevolution/status/1316400019868704769 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comedy Time Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, wingwang said: There's a whole load of twisting right there! RT-PCR uses RNA as a template and does not isolate. The fourth citation I quoted is from: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaotolaryngology/fullarticle/2768620 The CDC release I quoted was from July, the same month this article you posted was released: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaotolaryngology/fullarticle/2768620 But it's interesting. In May "SARS-CoV-2 strains supplied by CDC and other researchers can be requested, free" then in July the CDC has none available! Why would they admit they have none when they could just lie? Is there not the possibility that they just used them all? If you think the method invalid, why don't virologists? And why don't they just lie about that too? It makes no sense to frame your argument around things that have a logical alternative and where the supposed perpetrators can simply deceive a bit better. It isn't difficult for either of those 2. Sars-2 is a single stranded RNA betacoronavirus and as such using a method specifically designed for RNA is not invalid. Why do you think it so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonTV Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 (edited) PAPERS PAPERS Edited October 15, 2020 by SimonTV 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illmatic Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Jode said: Yep...I think that's why people keep talking about Japan ect "no lockdown and low cases" - they have a really sophisticated track and trace system...... Yeah I think it's fine for as long as we can write "Fred Flintstone" onto these tracing forms. It's when we're all locked into a tracking grid via a mandatory health app that I'd agree with Ziggy and say "we're fucked". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Illmatic Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 minute ago, EnigmaticWorld said: Haha what Dave doesn't mention is that those signs have been there since March. Unfortunately I don't think you do, Ireland is going back to the 70s, a backwater that planes will fly over and out of but nobody will ever bother trying to live in or visit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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