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I started a new job not so long ago and quit after three weeks, I refused to wear a stupid mask all day at all, laughed at the managers and their covid terror.. I could see it wasn't going to end well

I've already posted about this in the 'Come Together by Region?' thread in the Solutions forum.   But now here is the advert for the big event on the 29th August. It would be great if as ma

Summary meeting with MP.   Big sign on door saying have to wear a mask. Reptilian brain nearly kicked in and panicked - temptation to go to the store and buy one. Managed to keep it together

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7 hours ago, Bombadil said:

Took my daughter to doctors last night said she needs to self isolate do a test etc. So having no choice but to do it I looked into swab test. At test centres they are shoving the thing very far into nose etc. Wife say s in Italy people are terrified of it.

problem being if you do the test yourself at home the government advise is different. The swab you do is nowhere near as invasive.

I know it’s a bull, just wondered why the heavy handed ness at test centres.

 

 

 

Not trying to judge or interfere, but why did you allow your daughter to submit to testing at all?  Why not just tell them where to shove their swab?  

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2 minutes ago, Ecki Divad said:

 

Not trying to judge or interfere, but why did you allow your daughter to submit to testing at all?  Why not just tell them where to shove their swab?  


In most UK hospitals you cannot enter without at least a temperature test.
In most UK hospitals, no Ops or Procedures are allowed unless during the Pre-Op assessment, the Convid nose swab test comes back negative..
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3 hours ago, Golden Retriever said:

 

 

Let's just concerntate on the test to start with.

 

Do you accept the number of cases on the whole is accurate or meaningless?

 

The test was never meant to stand alone as a diagnostic tool.

 

The false positive rate quoted by Dominic Raab, Foreign Secretary is said to be a whopping 93%

 

The virus hasn't been isolated, so how can a test detect it?

 

 

The virus does exist and can be tested for.  The point of issue is the rate of mortality and morbidity and the relationship between the two.  The problem is that governments and media have grossly exaggerated the threat of an ordinary illness and induced mass hysteria.

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1 minute ago, Basket Case said:


In most UK hospitals you cannot enter without at least a temperature test.
In most UK hospitals, no Ops or Procedures are allowed unless during the Pre-Op assessment, the Convid nose swab test comes back negative..
:O(
 

 

I'm sure that's true, but what if the test for Covid-19 isn't medically-relevant to the patient's condition and on that basis the patient (or, in this case, the adult with parental responsibility) declines consent?

 

I'm not convinced the legal and ethical situation would be straight-forward for the doctors and staff concerned.

 

Is there statutory law to back up the demand for a pre-test by the hospital, or is it merely a 'requirement' or policy?

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1 minute ago, Ecki Divad said:

but what if the test for Covid-19 isn't medically-relevant to the patient's condition


A friend had a colonoscopy booked for this coming Saturday.
He was told that unless the Convid1984 swab test from the Pre-Op today came back negative the procedure on Saturday would be cancelled.
Right or wrong.....how do you get past something like this to get the procedure you need done ?
 

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2 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

That chart is deliberately misleading. 😆

 

They always fail to point out that "colds" and "flus" are caused by different coronaviruses.

 

There isn't "a coronavirus", there's a whole family of them.

 

Whatever you do, don't tell the thick idiots at The Express that, or any other tabloid, or we'll have headlines like:

 

WORLD EXCLUSIVE: Scientists Reveal There Are More Coronaviruses On The Way!  "It's The Epidemic Of Epidemics!" Says WHO Chief.  Cobra Meeting Called At Number Ten.  Labour Leader Calls For Everybody To Be Shut Indoors.  Crank Conspiracist Jailed After Saying: "It's Just Flu!"

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2 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

The two have become 'interchangable' in the media, done deliberately to cause confusion, so that no-one knows the difference between "coronavirus" and "COVID-19".

 

Coronavirus = 'virus'

COVID-19 = "disease/condition" caused by the "virus"

 

It's been pointed out elsewhere that the same was done before with "HIV" and "AIDS". The names of the virus and the condition became interchangeable in the media, and so people started assuming they were the same thing.

 

This is not quite correct.  

 

Coronaviruses is the name given to a group of viruses.

 

Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) is the specific virus we are concerned with here.

 

Covid-19 is the disease (collection of typical signs and symptoms that may result from the virus).

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Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said she fully supported the Welsh First Minister, Mark Drakeford's move to ban people from 'high level' areas from travelling to Wales. She said she would write to the prime minister seeking urgent talks over UK-wide travel restrictions and called for a "sensible agreement" between the four nations.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-54540764

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2 minutes ago, Velma said:

Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said she fully supported the Welsh First Minister, Mark Drakeford's move to ban people from 'high level' areas from travelling to Wales. She said she would write to the prime minister seeking urgent talks over UK-wide travel restrictions and called for a "sensible agreement" between the four nations.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-54540764

Soon we'll be required to have internal passports.

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39 minutes ago, Ecki Divad said:

The virus does exist and can be tested for.

 

But the test is meaningless as it was never intended to be the only criteria for diagnosis.

 

The Lancet reported two weeks ago ........

 

"Technical problems including contamination during sampling (eg, a swab accidentally touches a contaminated glove or surface), contamination by PCR amplicons, contamination of reagents, sample cross-contamination, and cross-reactions with other viruses or genetic material could also be responsible for false-positive results.
 
These problems are not only theoretical; the US Center for Disease Control and Prevention had to withdraw testing kits in March, 2020, when they were shown to have a high rate of false-positives due to reagent contamination.
 

The current rate of operational false-positive swab tests in the UK is unknown; preliminary estimates show it could be somewhere between 0·8% and 4·0%.

 

My emphasis 0.8% to 4% acutally means as high as 90% of tests may be false positive as Dominic Raab casually admitted on Sky News without being questioned.

 
This rate could translate into a significant proportion of false-positive results daily due to the current low prevalence of the virus in the UK population, adversely affecting the positive predictive value of the test.
 

Considering that the UK National Health Service employs 1·1 million health-care workers, many of whom have been exposed to COVID-19 at the peak of the first wave, the potential disruption to health and social services due to false positives could be considerable"

 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30453-7/fulltext

 

 

 

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36 minutes ago, Ecki Divad said:

 

The virus does exist and can be tested for.  The point of issue is the rate of mortality and morbidity and the relationship between the two.  The problem is that governments and media have grossly exaggerated the threat of an ordinary illness and induced mass hysteria.

 

Wrong. The virus has NOT been proven to exist and can't be tested for by the PCR test. 

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Just now, Golden Retriever said:

 

But the test is meaningless as it was never intended to be the only criteria for diagnosis,

 

The Lancet reported two weeks ago ........

 

"Technical problems including contamination during sampling (eg, a swab accidentally touches a contaminated glove or surface), contamination by PCR amplicons, contamination of reagents, sample cross-contamination, and cross-reactions with other viruses or genetic material could also be responsible for false-positive results.
 
These problems are not only theoretical; the US Center for Disease Control and Prevention had to withdraw testing kits in March, 2020, when they were shown to have a high rate of false-positives due to reagent contamination.
 

The current rate of operational false-positive swab tests in the UK is unknown; preliminary estimates show it could be somewhere between 0·8% and 4·0%.

 

My emphasis 0.8% to 4% acutally means as high as 90% of tests may be false positive as Dominic Raab confirmed on Sky News.

 
This rate could translate into a significant proportion of false-positive results daily due to the current low prevalence of the virus in the UK population, adversely affecting the positive predictive value of the test.
 

Considering that the UK National Health Service employs 1·1 million health-care workers, many of whom have been exposed to COVID-19 at the peak of the first wave, the potential disruption to health and social services due to false positives could be considerable"

 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30453-7/fulltext

 

 

 

 

All that may be true.  I'm inclined not to accept either side of the scientific case on the basis of the simple logic that if scientists lied in the first place about this virus, then other scientists may lie too to further the opposite argument.  As I say, the reaction to the virus is grossly exaggerated, and that's all I need to know.

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1 minute ago, greatdayforfreedom said:

 

Wrong. The virus has NOT been proven to exist and can't be tested for by the PCR test. 

 

The virus does exist, but I'm not going to get into an argument with you about it.  You think what you like.  I believe the fallacy you are falling into is believing one side instead of the other, rather than looking at the matter objectively.

 

All I need to know is that the reaction to the virus/disease is wildly exaggerated. 

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2 hours ago, Morpheus said:

Is that positive or negative? Just searched and it looks like O+ is common and O- is rareish. Could make a difference to the numbers if people are asymptomatic, which it kind of looks that way anyway, irrespective of blood type. They're throwing the kitchen sink at it now. Just more disinformation. 

 

Doesn't mention the Rhesus factor.

I'm O Negative. 

I think the point I read previously was that the 'virus' contains surface proteins that mimic Group A blood, that protein is also in AB. 

Group O people recognise the protein as foreign. Bad if you get the wrong group blood in a transfusion, but good at fighting viruses. 

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12 minutes ago, Ecki Divad said:

 

The virus does exist, but I'm not going to get into an argument with you about it.  You think what you like.  I believe the fallacy you are falling into is believing one side instead of the other, rather than looking at the matter objectively.

 

All I need to know is that the reaction to the virus/disease is wildly exaggerated. 

 

A virus may exist that doesn't prove there is a contagious threat.  Measles exists and if a PCR test was done on measles people would probably come back positive. That doesn't mean we have measles floating through the air at every market place or street. We don't send our children to school with masks because of measles risk. The existence of a virus does not prove people are dying because of it. Especially when the majority of the people that are sick are old and have flu and pneumonia type symptoms. 

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8 minutes ago, SimonTV said:

 

A virus may exist that doesn't prove there is a contagious threat.  Measles exists and if a PCR test was done on measles people would probably come back positive. That doesn't mean we have measles floating through the air at every market place or street. We don't send our children to school with masks because of measles risk. The existence of a virus does not prove people are dying because of it. Especially when the majority of the people that are sick are old and have flu and pneumonia type symptoms. 

 

I saw this weekend 8 riot police vans parked up on the south side of the River Thames, London and all the cops inside, waiting for some action, looking at their smartphones, chatting or staring out the windows with boredom and none with a mask on! 

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1 minute ago, Orange Alert said:

I saw this weekend 8 riot police vans parked up on the south side of the River Thames, London and all the cops inside, waiting for some action, looking at their smartphones, chatting or staring out the windows with boredom and none with a mask on! 

 

Orange, you should know by now Police are immune to covid1984.

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22 minutes ago, Ecki Divad said:

 

The virus does exist, but I'm not going to get into an argument with you about it.  You think what you like.  I believe the fallacy you are falling into is believing one side instead of the other, rather than looking at the matter objectively.

 

All I need to know is that the reaction to the virus/disease is wildly exaggerated. 

 

I fail to see how you know the 'virus' exists when it has not been isolated.  Could it be that you are accepting a fallacy based on a tendency to believe the mainstream?

 

The reaction you speak of is rather not a reaction but a set of preconceived rules that have been put in place in the planning process created by the same people who devised this whole scenario. The only thing exaggerated is the notion that a virus exists. 

 

Can you share how you are so sure that said virus exists... other than in ones imagination/

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