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2 minutes ago, Velma said:

Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said she fully supported the Welsh First Minister, Mark Drakeford's move to ban people from 'high level' areas from travelling to Wales. She said she would write to the prime minister seeking urgent talks over UK-wide travel restrictions and called for a "sensible agreement" between the four nations.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-54540764

Soon we'll be required to have internal passports.

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39 minutes ago, Ecki Divad said:

The virus does exist and can be tested for.

 

But the test is meaningless as it was never intended to be the only criteria for diagnosis.

 

The Lancet reported two weeks ago ........

 

"Technical problems including contamination during sampling (eg, a swab accidentally touches a contaminated glove or surface), contamination by PCR amplicons, contamination of reagents, sample cross-contamination, and cross-reactions with other viruses or genetic material could also be responsible for false-positive results.
 
These problems are not only theoretical; the US Center for Disease Control and Prevention had to withdraw testing kits in March, 2020, when they were shown to have a high rate of false-positives due to reagent contamination.
 

The current rate of operational false-positive swab tests in the UK is unknown; preliminary estimates show it could be somewhere between 0·8% and 4·0%.

 

My emphasis 0.8% to 4% acutally means as high as 90% of tests may be false positive as Dominic Raab casually admitted on Sky News without being questioned.

 
This rate could translate into a significant proportion of false-positive results daily due to the current low prevalence of the virus in the UK population, adversely affecting the positive predictive value of the test.
 

Considering that the UK National Health Service employs 1·1 million health-care workers, many of whom have been exposed to COVID-19 at the peak of the first wave, the potential disruption to health and social services due to false positives could be considerable"

 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30453-7/fulltext

 

 

 

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36 minutes ago, Ecki Divad said:

 

The virus does exist and can be tested for.  The point of issue is the rate of mortality and morbidity and the relationship between the two.  The problem is that governments and media have grossly exaggerated the threat of an ordinary illness and induced mass hysteria.

 

Wrong. The virus has NOT been proven to exist and can't be tested for by the PCR test. 

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Just now, Golden Retriever said:

 

But the test is meaningless as it was never intended to be the only criteria for diagnosis,

 

The Lancet reported two weeks ago ........

 

"Technical problems including contamination during sampling (eg, a swab accidentally touches a contaminated glove or surface), contamination by PCR amplicons, contamination of reagents, sample cross-contamination, and cross-reactions with other viruses or genetic material could also be responsible for false-positive results.
 
These problems are not only theoretical; the US Center for Disease Control and Prevention had to withdraw testing kits in March, 2020, when they were shown to have a high rate of false-positives due to reagent contamination.
 

The current rate of operational false-positive swab tests in the UK is unknown; preliminary estimates show it could be somewhere between 0·8% and 4·0%.

 

My emphasis 0.8% to 4% acutally means as high as 90% of tests may be false positive as Dominic Raab confirmed on Sky News.

 
This rate could translate into a significant proportion of false-positive results daily due to the current low prevalence of the virus in the UK population, adversely affecting the positive predictive value of the test.
 

Considering that the UK National Health Service employs 1·1 million health-care workers, many of whom have been exposed to COVID-19 at the peak of the first wave, the potential disruption to health and social services due to false positives could be considerable"

 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30453-7/fulltext

 

 

 

 

All that may be true.  I'm inclined not to accept either side of the scientific case on the basis of the simple logic that if scientists lied in the first place about this virus, then other scientists may lie too to further the opposite argument.  As I say, the reaction to the virus is grossly exaggerated, and that's all I need to know.

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1 minute ago, greatdayforfreedom said:

 

Wrong. The virus has NOT been proven to exist and can't be tested for by the PCR test. 

 

The virus does exist, but I'm not going to get into an argument with you about it.  You think what you like.  I believe the fallacy you are falling into is believing one side instead of the other, rather than looking at the matter objectively.

 

All I need to know is that the reaction to the virus/disease is wildly exaggerated. 

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2 hours ago, Morpheus said:

Is that positive or negative? Just searched and it looks like O+ is common and O- is rareish. Could make a difference to the numbers if people are asymptomatic, which it kind of looks that way anyway, irrespective of blood type. They're throwing the kitchen sink at it now. Just more disinformation. 

 

Doesn't mention the Rhesus factor.

I'm O Negative. 

I think the point I read previously was that the 'virus' contains surface proteins that mimic Group A blood, that protein is also in AB. 

Group O people recognise the protein as foreign. Bad if you get the wrong group blood in a transfusion, but good at fighting viruses. 

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12 minutes ago, Ecki Divad said:

 

The virus does exist, but I'm not going to get into an argument with you about it.  You think what you like.  I believe the fallacy you are falling into is believing one side instead of the other, rather than looking at the matter objectively.

 

All I need to know is that the reaction to the virus/disease is wildly exaggerated. 

 

A virus may exist that doesn't prove there is a contagious threat.  Measles exists and if a PCR test was done on measles people would probably come back positive. That doesn't mean we have measles floating through the air at every market place or street. We don't send our children to school with masks because of measles risk. The existence of a virus does not prove people are dying because of it. Especially when the majority of the people that are sick are old and have flu and pneumonia type symptoms. 

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8 minutes ago, SimonTV said:

 

A virus may exist that doesn't prove there is a contagious threat.  Measles exists and if a PCR test was done on measles people would probably come back positive. That doesn't mean we have measles floating through the air at every market place or street. We don't send our children to school with masks because of measles risk. The existence of a virus does not prove people are dying because of it. Especially when the majority of the people that are sick are old and have flu and pneumonia type symptoms. 

 

I saw this weekend 8 riot police vans parked up on the south side of the River Thames, London and all the cops inside, waiting for some action, looking at their smartphones, chatting or staring out the windows with boredom and none with a mask on! 

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1 minute ago, Orange Alert said:

I saw this weekend 8 riot police vans parked up on the south side of the River Thames, London and all the cops inside, waiting for some action, looking at their smartphones, chatting or staring out the windows with boredom and none with a mask on! 

 

Orange, you should know by now Police are immune to covid1984.

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22 minutes ago, Ecki Divad said:

 

The virus does exist, but I'm not going to get into an argument with you about it.  You think what you like.  I believe the fallacy you are falling into is believing one side instead of the other, rather than looking at the matter objectively.

 

All I need to know is that the reaction to the virus/disease is wildly exaggerated. 

 

I fail to see how you know the 'virus' exists when it has not been isolated.  Could it be that you are accepting a fallacy based on a tendency to believe the mainstream?

 

The reaction you speak of is rather not a reaction but a set of preconceived rules that have been put in place in the planning process created by the same people who devised this whole scenario. The only thing exaggerated is the notion that a virus exists. 

 

Can you share how you are so sure that said virus exists... other than in ones imagination/

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Just now, Beaujangles said:

 

 

 

 

I fail to see how you know the 'virus' exists when it has not been isolated.  Could it be that you are accepting a fallacy based on a tendency to believe the mainstream?

 

The reaction you speak of is rather not a reaction but a set of preconceived rules that have been put in place in the planning process created by the same people who devised this whole scenario. The only thing exaggerated is the notion that a virus exists. 

 

Can you share how you are so sure that said virus exists... other than in ones imagination?

 

 

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1 hour ago, Ecki Divad said:

 

Not trying to judge or interfere, but why did you allow your daughter to submit to testing at all?  Why not just tell them where to shove their swab?  

She hasn’t done the test yet. No intention of giving it to her. Only problem can’t send her back to school until proven negative. Like the idea of home schooling but not possible. Plus if I refuse her the test sooner or later I will have social services at my door. People are under the illusion of control. We don’t have any. Yes we can resist, as I do, but authorities can ultimately do what they want. Imagine trying to get your daughter back after social services involved.

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12 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

 

Weird. This along with the WHO condemnation of lockdowns doesn't make a lot of sense on the surface of it.

 

Maybe they've judged with unrest growing that they need to dump the immunity passports and vaccines and gain as much as they can from the destruction already done to small businesses. Let's hope so.

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1 minute ago, Illmatic said:

 

Weird. This along with the WHO condemnation of lockdowns doesn't make a lot of sense on the surface of it.

 

Maybe they've judged with unrest growing that they need to dump the immunity passports and vaccines and gain as much as they can from the destruction already done to small businesses. Let's hope so.

 Im not sure it admits anything, was posting just wondered what people thoughts if it actually proves what it says.

 

The WHO with lockdown I feel is pushing for immunity passports instead. The people are so afraid of lockdown now they will take the easy option. Order out of chaos.

 

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16 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

 Im not sure it admits anything, was posting just wondered what people thoughts if it actually proves what it says.

 

The WHO with lockdown I feel is pushing for immunity passports instead. The people are so afraid of lockdown now they will take the easy option. Order out of chaos.

 

 

Yeah possibly, had this thought as well. Let's save small businesses with no choice by making them buy into this app which checks testing and vaccine history, and thereby end the lockdowns.

 

That or go out of business. Some choice.

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1 hour ago, Ecki Divad said:

 

The virus does exist and can be tested for.  The point of issue is the rate of mortality and morbidity and the relationship between the two.  The problem is that governments and media have grossly exaggerated the threat of an ordinary illness and induced mass hysteria.

 

Don't agree with that at all. The tests are not reliable whatsoever.

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