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I attended the Querdenken protest in Berlin today, a great experience despite not understanding a word of German.

 

Sadly there was a ridiculous police presence, almost more police than potestors (a bit of a disappointing turnout, I'd guess around 200 people), and we were forced into social distancing and masks as they were looking for any excuse to break up the protest right from the off.

 

I was told I needed to wear a mask as I would probably be asked for my medical exemption papers if I didn't have one. Sure enough, as soon as there was any hint of chanting or anti-police talk the files moved in and several people without were asked for their papers by large numbers of police.

 

This culminated in an unprovoked police attack on a middle-aged gentleman who obviously didn't have the right documentation or was taking too long in the eyes of the police. He was jumped on by 5 officers, one of whom had him in a headlock. 2 more potestors were bundled into a van for no real reason that I could see.

 

The helmets came on and for a few minutes things looked like getting a bit ugly. Luckily it calmed down and there was an emotional moment as the entire protest sat down and sang together.

 

Not a single neo-Nazi or violent protester in sight, meanwhile on Friday night I witnessed Antifa throwing smoke bombs and trashing public property to "bash the fash". This stuff really is evil, it needs to be resisted at any cost.

 

 

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I've already posted about this in the 'Come Together by Region?' thread in the Solutions forum.   But now here is the advert for the big event on the 29th August. It would be great if as ma

I started a new job not so long ago and quit after three weeks, I refused to wear a stupid mask all day at all, laughed at the managers and their covid terror.. I could see it wasn't going to end well

Summary meeting with MP.   Big sign on door saying have to wear a mask. Reptilian brain nearly kicked in and panicked - temptation to go to the store and buy one. Managed to keep it together

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Stuck LBC on this morning. A caller called John rang in. Said anyone not wearing a mask in public should be rounded up by the army and detained because they are a danger to society. He was serious. The presenter agreed, although said using the army was a bit over the top.

 

It's getting absurd now.

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15 minutes ago, truther79 said:

Stuck LBC on this morning. A caller called John rang in. Said anyone not wearing a mask in public should be rounded up by the army and detained because they are a danger to society. He was serious. The presenter agreed, although said using the army was a bit over the top.

 

It's getting absurd now.

The next war will be between the face masks and the non face masks (never mind my profile pic lol).

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7 hours ago, Velma said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/

 

HaHaHa - Yours Truly - Velma - got photographed at the demonstration in Edinburgh.

 

Scroll down to 'Opinion' to see my picture (not very flattering) but hey-ho, that's me!

Protect the elderly, but let’s see life back to normal for those at low risk

Prof David Livermore is a microbiologist from the University of East Anglia and signatory of the Great Barrington Declaration

 
It's a crap article, but I can't read it anyway, because I don't subscribe to the Telegraph.

i can see a face on your neck

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25 minutes ago, Sit down, Waldo said:

It's being spread by cash now...

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54500673

 

More fear propaganda, now people are going to think the virus can remain on surfaces for 28 days when that is not true. No doubt causing mass hysteria about disinfecting all surfaces everywhere. These people have gone nuts. 

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1 hour ago, truther79 said:

Stuck LBC on this morning. A caller called John rang in. Said anyone not wearing a mask in public should be rounded up by the army and detained because they are a danger to society. He was serious. The presenter agreed, although said using the army was a bit over the top.

 

It's getting absurd now.

 

Trust me......we're fucked.

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9 hours ago, Velma said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/

 

HaHaHa - Yours Truly - Velma - got photographed at the demonstration in Edinburgh.

 

Scroll down to 'Opinion' to see my picture (not very flattering) but hey-ho, that's me!

Protect the elderly, but let’s see life back to normal for those at low risk

Prof David Livermore is a microbiologist from the University of East Anglia and signatory of the Great Barrington Declaration

 
It's a crap article, but I can't read it anyway, because I don't subscribe to the Telegraph.

Cool shades, nice scarf Velma. :classic_cool:

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7 hours ago, oneantisworthtenofyou said:

 

If i maybe so bold 

You bear an uncanny resemblance to Dame Edna Everage.

 

LOL! I look like I have an Adam's apple, but that's just my turkey neck, I'm not transgender. Honest!

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So why have the WHO done a U-turn on lockdowns?

 

I think we can rule it out as a genuine indication of sense prevailing and benevolence. Nor do I think that the WHO thinks the game is up in the wake of the Great Barrington Declaration and are offering governments a reason to back down on lockdowns.

 

I would suggest that this is the latest gaslighting ploy to maintain control. Perhaps the time has come to throw us some crumbs of hope - to get people thinking that lockdowns can be lifted. But this will come with strings attached of course in the form of invasive technologies such as vaccines and increased surveillance etc. I suspect that the vaccine is already ready and waiting in the wings whilst public opinion is gauged for the optimal time to introduce it.

 

Like in an abusive relationship, nobody wants to stay with a partner who is nasty all the time. But throwing in some false hope now and again helps keep the victim less suspecting.

 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/communication-success/201704/7-stages-gaslighting-in-relationship

 

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6. Give False Hope. As a manipulative tactic, the gaslighter will occasionally treat the victim with mildness, moderation, and even superficial kindness or remorse, to give the gaslightee false hope. In these circumstances, the victim might think: “Maybe he’s really not THAT bad,” “Maybe things are going to get better,” or “Let’s give it a chance.”

 

But beware! The temporary mildness is often a calculated maneuver intended to instill complacency and have the victim’s guard down before the next act of gaslighting begins. With this tactic, the gaslighter also further reinforces a codependent relationship.

 

And perhaps the plan is to place the blame at the hands of our governments if they continue with lockdowns (the problem) which could lead to calls for a different system (the reaction) such as a global government and technocracy (the solution).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Lord Humungus said:

I don't think you're supposed to post a forum poster's photo. At least not without her/his specific permission.

 

@Velma

 

Well, that's blown my cover! Not anonymous anymore, Do I care? Eh, na.

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21 minutes ago, Messenger said:

Cool shades, nice scarf Velma. :classic_cool:

 

Thanks! Pound shop shades!

 

FYI one side of my home-made sign, in green and yellow Covid-Emergency colours reads:

 

please remove your face covering

 

LOCK

DOWN

KILLS

 

thank you for understanding.

 

The other side said; CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY IN PROGRESS.

 

They didn't publish that, too close to the bone. But the police were impressed.

 

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4 minutes ago, Velma said:

Well, that's blown my cover! Not anoymous anymore, Do I care? Eh, na.

My point is that it sets a dangerous precedent when we start to allow this behavior. Post pictures of yourself if you like. Don't post pictures of other forum members.

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13 minutes ago, Velma said:

 

Well, that's blown my cover! Not anoymous anymore, Do I care? Eh, na.


MOD NOTE.
Velma.
l deleted it.
Not a good idea, members posting real photos of themselves.
A bit different IMO by posting a link to an article and mentioning it.
Other members should never post photos of other members no matter how / why they found them.
BC

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1 minute ago, Basket Case said:


MOD NOTE.
Velma.
l deleted it.
Not a good idea, members posting real photos of themselves.
A bit different IMO by posting a link to an article and mentioning it.
Other members should never post photos of other members no matter how / why they found them.
BC

 

Thanks, I prefer my profile picture anyway.

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2 hours ago, SimonTV said:

 

More fear propaganda, now people are going to think the virus can remain on surfaces for 28 days when that is not true. No doubt causing mass hysteria about disinfecting all surfaces everywhere. These people have gone nuts. 

 

I think there is evidence to show that Coronaviruses can survive on surfaces when cold for up to 28 days, I did find an old article to that effect. But clearly this does apply to products from Amazon.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7190947/

 

But the real point is that virus isn’t that deadly. Rather like a forest fire, there is a lot of deadwood about as the older baby boomer age, but really anyone under 60 should be concerned.

 

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On 10/8/2020 at 1:21 AM, Ziggy Sawdust said:

The UK Government tells the Barrington people to fuck off.

After all, how could thousands of the world's top doctors, scientists, epidemiologists and virologists know

more than Johnson, Hancock, Whitty and Vallance?

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A quarter of a million signatures now.....and growing.

https://gbdeclaration.org/

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16 minutes ago, Mikhail Liebestein said:

 

I think there is evidence to show that Coronaviruses can survive on surfaces when cold for up to 28 days, I did find an old article to that effect. But clearly this does apply to products from Amazon.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7190947/

 

But the real point is that virus isn’t that deadly. Rather like a forest fire, there is a lot of deadwood about as the older baby boomer age, but really anyone under 60 should be concerned.

 

 

Yeah I think I may have posted previously in this thread but I remember going for a health screening in my university a few years ago and a throat swab coming back positive for strep despite not having a sore throat.

 

Was obviously surprised and the doctor explained we have millions of viruses and bacteria lining our breathing and digestive systems all the way to our stomach, but the fact that they are there does not mean that they are attacking our body and we are sick.

 

What the media with the help of the who and others has done is quite incredible. We are now scared of every single other living thing including the invisible ones because we think they might kill us, at the same time being completely unaware that we live with billions of them inside us all the time and if you get into the realm of spirituality we are all one consciousness.

 

This isn't a war against a virus, its a war against laughing, hugging, shaking hands, crying in pain, singing in joy and all the other ways we share love and energy as human beings. I genuinely find it so disturbing that people would even consider giving that up and becoming a type of automaton just because they are scared. 

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3 hours ago, Sit down, Waldo said:

It's being spread by cash now...

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54500673

 

 

ESTA: No risk of contamination with Covid-19 on banknotes

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ESTA, The Cash Management Companies Association, has issued the following statement.
Cash at one of G4S's cash centres

ESTA Statement Wednesday 18 March 2020

There is no evidence that cash helps COVID-19 spread. 
 
- The World Health Organization (WHO) has denied that cash and, specifically, banknotes transmit the new coronavirus COVID-19.  
- The European Central Bank (ECB) and other national central banks, and renowned scientific institutions have ruled out that the coronavirus spreads through banknotes. 
- The best protection is to follow the recommendations of health authorities.
 
Given the various information in which it is stated that banknotes could transmit COVID-19, different authorities such as the World Health Organization, the European Central Bank and other national central banks, and renowned scientific institutions have confirmed that there is no scientific evidence that there is an increased risk of spreading the new virus from the use of cash. 
 
WHO spokesperson Fadela Chaib confirmed that WHO was “misrepresented” when a UK paper stated that banknotes may be spreading COVID-19. “WHO did NOT say banknotes would transmit COVID-19, nor have we issued any warnings or statements about this,” Chaib said to financial information website Market Watch.1
 
ECB and several central banks have contested that banknotes represented any risk of contamination. These institutions have stated that there is no proof that the coronavirus has spread by euro banknotes. They have also reminded that the Eurosystem conducts regular research on the potential impact that the manufacture and circulation of euro banknotes can have on public health, including in relation to viruses.
 
For banknotes to pose a risk to human health in relation to the coronavirus, “someone would have to use a bank note to sneeze in”. “Coins are actually very bad environments for viruses to survive”, says Dr. Christine Tait-Burkard, an expert in infection and immunity at the Roslin Institute at the University of Edinburgh
 
Prof. Mariano Esteban, Head of the Poxvirus and Vaccines Group of the National Centre for Biotechnology in Spain, further explains that a virus needs to enter a cell to continue being active, otherwise it will deteriorate quickly on any inanimate surface, except in extremely low temperatures (- 20°C to -70°c). 
 
Therefore, the risk to be contaminated by viruses is very low when touching a banknote, and not much different from that of touching other objects such as hand rails, tickets machines, door handles or plastic payment cards. For contamination to occur, the COVID-19 needs to get passed the respiratory system first. Some precautions, like avoiding touching eyes, nose and mouth, and regularly and thoroughly cleaning hands with an alcohol-based hand rub or washing them with soap and water, are good protections against a possible contamination.
 
Thierry Lebeaux Secretary general 
 
 
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