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3 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

doctors and politicians and police and media people should have been the first people to roll up their sleeves

 

With regard to the Police, this Open Letter was presented earlier this year by 43 branches of the Police Federation and, as far as I can ascertain, no headway has yet been made ...

 

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Open letter to the Government over police officer vaccines

9 February 2021

 

All 43 branches of the Police Federation of England and Wales are calling for frontline police officers to be prioritised for the Covid-19 vaccine.

 

They have released the below open letter to the government in Westminster and the Welsh Parliament in the wake of disappointing comments by Health Secretary Matt Hancock on Monday, in which he was unable to offer any guarantee that police officers would be immunised in the first wave or even beyond that.

 

The letter is as follows:

 

Open Letter to Government on behalf of the Police Federations of England and Wales

 

Police officers feel betrayed by the lack of action from the Governments of England and Wales to protect them from exposure to this deadly virus.

 

At the daily press briefing on Monday the Health Secretary made clear that officers will not be included in the first phase of the Covid vaccine roll out. He could not even offer a guarantee beyond that, only that frontline officers will be ‘considered’ for vaccination in the next phase. This is not only unacceptable to our members it is also a dereliction of both Governments’ duty.

 

It shows that warm words and platitudes mean very little from Government.

 

Guidance from the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation states that:

Frontline health and social care workers at high risk of acquiring infection, at high individual risk of developing serious disease, or at risk of transmitting infection to multiple vulnerable persons or other staff in a healthcare environment, are considered of higher priority for vaccination than those at lower risk.

 

The risks presented to our members show that this guidance applies to them. The nature of policing means our members are not always able to mitigate the risk of contracting and spreading this deadly virus. They often have to get up close and personal in many situations, which means the risk is ever present.

 

One in three officers have reported being threatened by somebody claiming to have Covid. The level of incidents of people weaponising the virus – by coughing or spitting at them – has increased considerably during the pandemic. On behalf of the Government, police officers are putting their lives on the line every day and run a very real risk of becoming infected and exposing colleagues, family members as well as the public.

 

This seriously threatens the resilience of the police service if officers are off sick or required to isolate, taking them away from their duties.

 

This is not about police officers jumping the queue and never has been. It is about the duty of care that Government has to protect those who protect society. Thanks to the success and speed of the vaccination programme we know it would take less than a day to vaccinate the entire police service in England and Wales if the political will is there to do it.

 

Police officers have done everything asked of them, now it is time for Government to step up and protect those who have been on the frontline throughout this pandemic. Anything less would be a deep betrayal and will not be forgiven or forgotten.

 

John Apter, National Chair of the Police Federation of England and Wales
Andy Roebuck, Chair of Avon & Somerset Police Federation
Steve Bozward, Chair of Bedfordshire Police Federation
Liz Groom, Chair of Cambridgeshire Police Federation
James Thompson, Chair of Cheshire Police Federation
Mike Reed, Chair of City of London Police Federation
Glen Teeley, Chair of Cleveland Police Federation
Paul Williams, Chair of Cumbria Police Federation
Tony Wetton, Chair of Derbyshire Police Federation
Andy Berry, Chair of Devon and Cornwall Police Federation
Anna Harvey, Chair of Dorset Police Federation
Andy Jackson, Chair of Durham Police Federation
Gareth Jones, Chair of Dyfed-Powys Police Federation
Laura Heggie, Chair of Essex Police Federation
Steve James, Chair of Gloucestershire Police Federation
Stu Berry, Chair of Greater Manchester Police Federation
Steve Thorpe, Chair of Gwent Police Federation
Zoe Wakefield, Chair of Hampshire Police Federation
Geoff Bardell, Chair of Hertfordshire Police Federation
Pete Musgrave, Chair of Humberside Police Federation
Neil Mennie, Chair of Kent Police Federation
Rachel Hanley, Chair of Lancashire Police Federation
Adam Commons, Chair of Leicestershire Police Federation
Phil Clark, Chair of Lincolnshire Police Federation
Tony Fairclough, Chair of Merseyside Police Federation
Ken Marsh, Chair of the Metropolitan Police Federation
Andy Symonds, Chair of Norfolk Police Federation
Nick Hawe, Chair of North Wales Police Federation
Rob Bowles, Chair of North Yorkshire Police Federation
Sam Dobbs, Chair of Northamptonshire Police Federation
Jim Gray, Chair of Northumbria Police Federation
Mark Petrovic, Chair of Nottinghamshire Police Federation
Steve Treharne, Chair of South Wales Police Federation
Steve Kent, Chair of South Yorkshire Police Federation
Phil Jones, Chair of Staffordshire Police Federation
Darren Harris, Chair of Suffolk Police Federation
Melanie Warnes, Chair of Surrey Police Federation
Daren Egan, Chair of Sussex Police Federation
Craig O'Leary, Chair of Thames Valley Police Federation
Simon Payne, Chair of Warwickshire Police Federation
Sarah Cooper, Chair of West Mercia Police Federation
Jon Nott, Chair of West Midlands Police Federation
Brian Booth, Chair of West Yorkshire Police Federation
Mark Andrews, Chair of Wiltshire Police Federation

 

 

 

 

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43 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Well said, Bev. I don't care if the elderly are not footing the bill. I'm happy to fund them as I don't want to live in a country that doesn't look after its own.

 

I have to wonder if Rachel even identifies with the British people.

 

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Bev is my hero for today.

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22 hours ago, Made in Wales said:

We must believe in this and do not allow doubt to dampen our spirit. 

 

I admit it does seem that the inhumane cants have demoralised us all this last month or so with their insane rabid desire to corruptly jab young kids and wave through the effing discriminatory convid passports but I think this is a glorious sign of hope and of justice.

 

The truth always comes out and the history books will have generations shaking their heads in disbelief and  utter horror at the sheer evilness of the atrocities committed but ultimately the comeuppance and fate of every single perpetrator and enabler of this abhorrent genocide will be signed sealed and delivered. 

 

Thank you for replying to my post. The name Luc Montagnier caught my eye as he was the guy Kary Mullis mentioned re the AIDS being a virus question. We know something has to be done and the amount of pessimism that seems to brew in this forum can sometimes be stifling. However, I think keeping our eyes and ears alert and watching each chapter pan out will be helpful in that it keeps our minds from descending into a pessimistic sludge. There are already enough people out there who cant think for themselves.

 

I am noticing in Canada  an upturn in resistance. It has come about due to the fact that the government has turned its sights onto the children. Be it vaccines, or sport requiring vaccines. Parents are up in arms and having gatherings. People enthusiastic in messaging everyone they know to attend. Businesses are coming out and saying they will not be checking anyones health status.. The list of these businesses is growing by the hour.

 

Its too early to say the curtains coming down IMO....I think there will be a major uprising here. Im interested to see what happens to Turdeau on Sept 20th. I know they are all answering to the same masters....but if Turdeau is ousted there will be a brief hiatus... and thats when I think the people will fight.  

I will likely print off some flyers for distribution by attending the meetings locally and the upcoming protests.

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Just reading your last post @Beaujangles and it certainly looks positive 👍

 

I don’t know about where I am though - NZ.

 

First day of down to level two for much of the country; I go into town to get some stores thinking nary a mask will be seen; well fuck me! I saw about four others besides myself without one!! ( This is a sizeable city)

And wearing them in their cars when they’re the only ones in it; what the hell?!?!

 

Truly the bloody twilight zone.

And one of the big box stores here still has mandatory masking! And most shops still have their mandatory mask signs up. Had to flash my ‘exemption’ piece of shit when I thought I was done with it.

 

I was so disappointed; I truly despair of the bulk of humanity 😟

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13 minutes ago, zarkov said:

seems good coverage on trudeau from hugotalks

 

 

 

 

 

He is a POS. O'Toole is same... they all are... but people are getting angrier in Canada. This country is a melting pot of nations. Many came here for peace and to be free of oppression. This attack on kids is where the line has been drawn in the sand for people. One thing about Canadians...they love their kids. Sport is a main leisure activity here and now the kids 12 and up..are being told they cannot play without having the the vaccine. Their parents are not allowed in the arena without being vaccinated.  Winters here are harsh...kids need to have an outlet and hockey arenas are usually packed. I took mine as kids and I'm born British. The pressure cooker is shaking.... the kids are the final straw.

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6 minutes ago, blowonthepie said:

Just reading your last post @Beaujangles and it certainly looks positive 👍

 

I don’t know about where I am though - NZ.

 

First day of down to level two for much of the country; I go into town to get some stores thinking nary a mask will be seen; well fuck me! I saw about four others besides myself without one!! ( This is a sizeable city)

And wearing them in their cars when they’re the only ones in it; what the hell?!?!

 

Truly the bloody twilight zone.

And one of the big box stores here still has mandatory masking! And most shops still have their mandatory mask signs up. Had to flash my ‘exemption’ piece of shit when I thought I was done with it.

 

I was so disappointed; I truly despair of the bulk of humanity 😟

 

 

I think and hope all countries have a breaking point.  The brainwashing must be really good in NZ. The media, is it relentless?  Do people stay home a lot there?  

 

Canada is an outdoorsy nation, kids outside in freezing temperatures in heavy duty snowsuits in the winter. Coffee shops usually full. So word of mouth is quite active. I was just wondering what NZ lifestyle is like generally. I had a second cousin in Wellington until he died. I think one of his daughters is still there...but not in touch with her...so I dont know much about NZ... except my grans sister married a famous jockey there many years ago in Auckland. 

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India fighting to contain Nipah, a virus deadlier than COVID-19

By 
September 7, 2021 

A 12-year-old boy has died in India of Nipah, a rare virus that is far deadlier than COVID-19 — and one that health officials have long feared could start a global pandemic.

The unidentified boy died Sunday at a hospital in Kerala, the southern state already battling the highest number of COVID-19 cases in the hard-hit country, officials there said.

He had already visited two other hospitals before his death, putting him in contact with potentially hundreds of people — with up to 11 showing potential symptoms, NDTV reported.

Previous outbreaks of Nipah, or NiV, showed an estimated fatality rate of between 40% and 75%, according to the World Health Organization, making it far more deadly than the coronavirus.

 

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“The virus has been shown to spread from person-to-person in these outbreaks, raising concerns about the potential for NiV to cause a global pandemic,” the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said.

People in protective suits prepare to cremate the body of a 12-year-old boy died of the Nipah virus in Kozhikode, Kerala state, India, Sunday, Sept.5, 2021. People in protective suits prepare to cremate the body of a 12-year-old boy who died of the Nipah virus in Kozhikode, Kerala state, India on Sept.5, 2021. AP Photo/Shijith. K

More than 100 possible contacts of the boy have already been forced to isolate, with 48 of them being monitored in a hospital in Kerala.

Officials will also be carrying out door-to-door surveillance and identifying secondary contacts.

Health officials are urgently testing as many contacts as possible, with samples from the boy’s primary contacts — his family and health care workers — coming back negative.

“That these eight immediate contacts tested negative is a great relief,” said the state health minister, Veena George.

 

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Health workers collect blood samples from a goat to test for the virus after a 12-year-old boy died of the Nipah virus in Kozhikode, Kerala state, India on Sept.7, 2021. Health workers collect blood samples from a goat to test for the virus after a 12-year-old boy died of the Nipah virus in Kozhikode, Kerala state, India on Sept.7, 2021. AP Photo/Shijith. K

Nipah virus was first discovered in Malaysia and Singapore in 1999 — an outbreak of nearly 300 human cases, with more than 100 deaths, the CDC noted. More than 1 million pigs were killed to help control the outbreak, causing a “substantial economic impact.”

Complicating its detection, key symptoms are similar to those of COVID-19, including fever, cough, sore throat and difficulty breathing, the CDC noted.

The infected often also suffer encephalitis, or swelling of the brain — and if they survive, often suffer persistent convulsions and even personality changes. The contagion can remain dormant in sufferers — who may get sick and possibly die from it “months and even years after exposure,” the CDC warned.

 

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There is no vaccine, and the only treatment is supportive care to control complications and keep patients comfortable.

A health official stands outside the Kozhikode Medical College Hospital ward, which has been converted into a Nipah virus isolation ward on Sept. 6, 2021 in Kozhikode, India. A health official stands outside the Kozhikode Medical College Hospital ward, which has been converted into a Nipah virus isolation ward, on Sept. 6, 2021, in Kozhikode, India. DeFodi Images via Getty Images

Kerala dealt with a previous outbreak of Nipah in 2018, when more than a dozen people died.

This time around, the concern is compounded by the fact that the state is already struggling to contain COVID-19.

Kerala on Monday registered nearly 20,000 COVID-19 infections — the vast majority of India’s daily total of 31,222.

Nipah, meanwhile, can be “challenging” to detect “due to the non-specific early symptoms of the illness,” even though “early detection and diagnosis are critical to increase chances of survival ” and “to prevent transmission to other people,” the CDC has said.

India Today warned its readers, “The nature of Nipah virus infection is such that if the outbreak spirals out of control, it could pose a bigger threat to public health than the coronavirus pandemic.”

 

 

 

 

https://nypost.com/2021/09/07/india-fighting-to-contain-nipah-a-virus-deadlier-than-covid-19/

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1 hour ago, Jikwan said:

 

India fighting to contain Nipah, a virus deadlier than COVID-19

By 
September 7, 2021 

A 12-year-old boy has died in India of Nipah, a rare virus that is far deadlier than COVID-19 — and one that health officials have long feared could start a global pandemic.

The unidentified boy died Sunday at a hospital in Kerala, the southern state already battling the highest number of COVID-19 cases in the hard-hit country, officials there said.

He had already visited two other hospitals before his death, putting him in contact with potentially hundreds of people — with up to 11 showing potential symptoms, NDTV reported.

Previous outbreaks of Nipah, or NiV, showed an estimated fatality rate of between 40% and 75%, according to the World Health Organization, making it far more deadly than the coronavirus.

 

ADVERTISEMENT

“The virus has been shown to spread from person-to-person in these outbreaks, raising concerns about the potential for NiV to cause a global pandemic,” the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said.

People in protective suits prepare to cremate the body of a 12-year-old boy died of the Nipah virus in Kozhikode, Kerala state, India, Sunday, Sept.5, 2021. People in protective suits prepare to cremate the body of a 12-year-old boy who died of the Nipah virus in Kozhikode, Kerala state, India on Sept.5, 2021. AP Photo/Shijith. K

More than 100 possible contacts of the boy have already been forced to isolate, with 48 of them being monitored in a hospital in Kerala.

Officials will also be carrying out door-to-door surveillance and identifying secondary contacts.

Health officials are urgently testing as many contacts as possible, with samples from the boy’s primary contacts — his family and health care workers — coming back negative.

“That these eight immediate contacts tested negative is a great relief,” said the state health minister, Veena George.

 

ADVERTISEMENT

Health workers collect blood samples from a goat to test for the virus after a 12-year-old boy died of the Nipah virus in Kozhikode, Kerala state, India on Sept.7, 2021. Health workers collect blood samples from a goat to test for the virus after a 12-year-old boy died of the Nipah virus in Kozhikode, Kerala state, India on Sept.7, 2021. AP Photo/Shijith. K

Nipah virus was first discovered in Malaysia and Singapore in 1999 — an outbreak of nearly 300 human cases, with more than 100 deaths, the CDC noted. More than 1 million pigs were killed to help control the outbreak, causing a “substantial economic impact.”

Complicating its detection, key symptoms are similar to those of COVID-19, including fever, cough, sore throat and difficulty breathing, the CDC noted.

The infected often also suffer encephalitis, or swelling of the brain — and if they survive, often suffer persistent convulsions and even personality changes. The contagion can remain dormant in sufferers — who may get sick and possibly die from it “months and even years after exposure,” the CDC warned.

 

ADVERTISEMENT

There is no vaccine, and the only treatment is supportive care to control complications and keep patients comfortable.

A health official stands outside the Kozhikode Medical College Hospital ward, which has been converted into a Nipah virus isolation ward on Sept. 6, 2021 in Kozhikode, India. A health official stands outside the Kozhikode Medical College Hospital ward, which has been converted into a Nipah virus isolation ward, on Sept. 6, 2021, in Kozhikode, India. DeFodi Images via Getty Images

Kerala dealt with a previous outbreak of Nipah in 2018, when more than a dozen people died.

This time around, the concern is compounded by the fact that the state is already struggling to contain COVID-19.

Kerala on Monday registered nearly 20,000 COVID-19 infections — the vast majority of India’s daily total of 31,222.

Nipah, meanwhile, can be “challenging” to detect “due to the non-specific early symptoms of the illness,” even though “early detection and diagnosis are critical to increase chances of survival ” and “to prevent transmission to other people,” the CDC has said.

India Today warned its readers, “The nature of Nipah virus infection is such that if the outbreak spirals out of control, it could pose a bigger threat to public health than the coronavirus pandemic.”

 

 

 

 

https://nypost.com/2021/09/07/india-fighting-to-contain-nipah-a-virus-deadlier-than-covid-19/

When in doubt blame a goat .Will this  virus saga never end ?

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3 hours ago, Beaujangles said:

 

 

I think and hope all countries have a breaking point.  The brainwashing must be really good in NZ. The media, is it relentless?  Do people stay home a lot there?  

 

Canada is an outdoorsy nation, kids outside in freezing temperatures in heavy duty snowsuits in the winter. Coffee shops usually full. So word of mouth is quite active. I was just wondering what NZ lifestyle is like generally. I had a second cousin in Wellington until he died. I think one of his daughters is still there...but not in touch with her...so I dont know much about NZ... except my grans sister married a famous jockey there many years ago in Auckland. 

 

Yep, msm spinning the bs as they are every where else.

 

The faces on a lot of the people today; so glum and even resentful looking.

I got a few ‘why aren’t you wearing a f...ing mask’ looks too.

 

Weve had it relatively easy here, nothing like most other places, until this latest lockdown.

It was a lot like not much was going on, and we got complacent; and for the many who think this is real, it was a shock.

 

I get the feeling though that a lot have a feeling somethings not right, but the bs is so ingrained in them it’s f...ing with their thought processes; I dunno 🙄

 

Kiwis are generally an outdoorsy lot; lots of sport, going to parks, doing the coffee thing so yeah, the lockdown would hurt; especially in Auckland where the *gasp* dreaded lurgy is ‘rampant’ and they’ve been on hard lockdown for a while.

 

It was just seeing all those masks when they’re not generally mandatory at level 2.

 

There are of course more people getting it day by day but not enough; it’s anyones guess really what’s going to happen; though I know that in the end it will come round right; just a matter of when.

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7 hours ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

Whopping 70 percent of unvaccinated Americans would quit their job if vaccines are mandated
https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/571084-whopping-70-percent-of-unvaccinated-americans

 

Not sure how serious you can take this poll, but interesting article.

I wonder how many will hold to this when it happens? 

It would really screw the employer over .

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