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Masks should be mandatory indoors and outdoors where two-metre social distancing is not possible, doctors have said.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-doctors-call-for-mandatory-masks-in-offices-and-outdoors-in-new-wish-list-12100589

 

Rule breakers in East Java are made to lie in coffins as a punishment. Like a Skull & Bones ritual.

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I’m not sure if anyone saw a BBC news item a couple of days ago, which stated that there had only been 364 flu deaths this year! Sorry I can’t link it, but almost as soon as I’d read I went back onto bbc news page and it had disappeared. The info apparently from ONS.... 

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I’m not sure if anyone saw a BBC news item a couple of days ago, which stated that there had only been 364 flu deaths this year! Sorry I can’t link it, but almost as soon as I’d read I went back onto bbc news page and it had disappeared. The info apparently from ONS.... 

 

The BBC news article linked below claims that there have only been 394 deaths this year so far in England and Wales due to flu.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54463511

 

The ONS figures can be found via the link below. As far as I can tell, the flu and pneumonia deaths rates are combined and not broken down further. So I am not clear where the BBC have got the 394 figure for flu deaths from...

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending25september2020

 

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50 minutes ago, Malbec said:

I’m not sure if anyone saw a BBC news item a couple of days ago, which stated that there had only been 364 flu deaths this year! Sorry I can’t link it, but almost as soon as I’d read I went back onto bbc news page and it had disappeared. The info apparently from ONS.... 

 

I have heard the 364 figure, but then the ONS chart shows a different story & flu has killed more people than covid this year, so not sure what is true.

I looked at the flu stats a few months ago & it claimed nobody had died of the flu upto the month of May.

This was from the uk.gov website.

They are definitely lying & putting out deliberate disinfo.

 

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@Mitochondrial Eve beat me to it.

 

Influenza and pneumonia: England and Wales – 4582

Influenza and pneumonia: England – 4426

Influenza and pneumonia: Wales – 147

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/influenzadeathsfor2020

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The death statistics a bollocks. I added up the total deaths in January 2018 in May and they added up to 60000, 15k per month. I then added up the April deaths and they were also 60k. So I made a series of posts about how the April death statistics was not much greater than the April 2020 death statistics. 

 

Now they have updated both 2018 statistics and 2020 statistics and not 2019 statistics with a new filename called "withaddedrespirotyrow" this is row not row as in argument. I had to confirm that myself. So for some reason they saw it fit to go back and modify the death statistics of 2018 but not 2019. Interestingly the January 2018 statistics are now showing less than 60k and the April 2020 statistics are now showing more than 60k. 

 

Yet when I asked the ONS representative whether these deaths were with or of covid, the answer was with. She had to admit that the cause of death was actually pneumonia, like the German study on the first 80 attributed deaths of covid. The cause of death was of Pneumonia and with covid. 

 

What we are seeing is a huge fraud and there is no other word for it. 

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16 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

Killer flu outbreak is to blame for a 42% spike in deaths in January after 64,000 people died - the highest number since records began

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5440785/Killer-flu-outbreak-blame-42-spike-deaths.html

 

Just puts it into perspective.

 

 

 

The current death statistics for 2018 is showing a total of 55000 from 05 jan to 26th Jan. Same period that I had calculated 60k deaths. I am sure they will make the excuse that it is the dates from the 1st-5th and 27th to 31st that make up the extra 10k difference if pressed. They always leave the opportunity for an excuse. 

 

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I looked up flu cases in Canada. Mysteriously they dipped to "exceptionally" low levels on the weeks that Covid cases started being reported. My own province stopped recording flu cases completely. Pretty suspicious.

 

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I looked up flu cases in Canada. Mysteriously they dipped to "exceptionally" low levels on the weeks that Covid cases started being reported. My own province stopped recording flu cases completely. Pretty suspicious.

 

 

Thanks for the info. Which province would that be?

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/

 

HaHaHa - Yours Truly - Velma - got photographed at the demonstration in Edinburgh.

 

Scroll down to 'Opinion' to see my picture (not very flattering) but hey-ho, that's me!

Protect the elderly, but let’s see life back to normal for those at low risk

Prof David Livermore is a microbiologist from the University of East Anglia and signatory of the Great Barrington Declaration

 
It's a crap article, but I can't read it anyway, because I don't subscribe to the Telegraph.
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It's a crap article, but I can't read it anyway, because I don't subscribe to the Telegraph.

 

Covid-19 is the worst pandemic I’ve seen in 40 years as a microbiologist. It is not a hoax. It fills ICUs faster than seasonal flu. It is implicated in a million deaths already. So, if it is that bad, why have I signed the Great Barrington Declaration?

 

I am partly retired and have a comfortable life; I can write, edit photos, take long walks and, selfishly, sit it out. The answer is that, in conscience, I can no longer do so, professionally or as a citizen.

In March, we knew little. A brief lockdown was proportionate, to ready the NHS. Now, though, we know that much infection is very mild and inconsequential.

Among 750 Northumbria University students who were PCR-positive, just 78 had symptoms; in the US, 70,000 students were PCR positive and three hospitalised. The median age of those who have succumbed is 82 years, while life expectancy is 81 years. Fewer than 400 UK residents under 60 without comorbidities have died. For this, we have restricted human interactions and stifled the economy.

A trip to Leicester Square finds closed theatres and empty chairs at empty tables. A 10-day Scottish coastal trek in August found little hotels and pubs trying to restart. Now, their owners and staff are crushed again.

There is something nastier, too. The goodwill of March, when 700,000 volunteered, is replaced by masks that hide smiles or hostility and by posters threatening £6,400 fines. I don’t condone anti-lockdown demonstrations, but I am more disturbed by baton-wielding police deployed against them. It is not the England I love, and I doubt the atmosphere helps anyone’s mental health.

A psychiatrist pal is admitting patients ‘‘tipped over the edge’’; Prof Dalgleish, my co-signatory, has two suicides among collaborators. Further lockdowns might be worth it, if a good vaccine was very close... That’s the bet. But even the furthest advanced vaccine trials extend into next spring and tell little about the longevity of immunity.

Whether vaccines will protect the “immune senescent” frail elderly will remain uncertain. And I have served on enough vaccine-development advisory boards to know the frequent taste of failure. The Government’s ‘‘suppression then vaccine’’ approach is a colossal punt.

Meantime, the damage accumulates. There is no good way out, but the declaration outlines a route that we believe is better, and more humane. So far as possible, life should return to normal for those at low risk and for anyone older who accepts the hazard, which will include me.

The virus will circulate among us, generating herd immunity. As we recover, it will run out of hosts and lose traction. Sweden’s approach resembles this, and the societal damage is far less than here, while the time curve of deaths per million differs little. Hospitals were not overwhelmed and hopefully ours won’t be either; if things get tight, the Nightingale sites can be used.

Effort should then be directed to protecting the vulnerable, principally the elderly. Support could include well-paid live-in staff, rotating at care homes, food deliveries to those alone and the option (not compulsion) of hotels for those living in multi-generational families.

All this is better use of money than recently: the NAO reports £26  billion of Bounce Back loans lost to fraud and failures – that’s £65,000 per care home resident.

Never in history have we handled a pandemic like this. Not the 1889-94 “Russian Flu” (maybe a coronavirus), which killed 135,000 from a population half of today’s; nor in 1918, when we defeated the German army as a far worse epidemic peaked. Future generations will look back aghast.

Some colleagues are cross I have spoken. To them, in conscience and surveying the wreckage, I can only quote Martin Luther: “Here I stand; I can do no other.” That’s why I signed.

Prof David Livermore is a microbiologist from the University of East Anglia. He writes in a personal capacity.

 

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It will certainly be interesting to see how this pans out. As someone cannot die of Covid and Flu, this will be the proof. If this years flu season disappears then we know they're classing the flu deaths as covid!

 

I have heard that one excuse they will use is there hasn't been much flu because of social distancing, which is just bollox isn't it really.

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Covid-19 is the worst pandemic I’ve seen in 40 years as a microbiologist. It is not a hoax. It fills ICUs faster than seasonal flu. It is implicated in a million deaths already. So, if it is that bad, why have I signed the Great Barrington Declaration?

 

I am partly retired and have a comfortable life; I can write, edit photos, take long walks and, selfishly, sit it out. The answer is that, in conscience, I can no longer do so, professionally or as a citizen.

In March, we knew little. A brief lockdown was proportionate, to ready the NHS. Now, though, we know that much infection is very mild and inconsequential.

Among 750 Northumbria University students who were PCR-positive, just 78 had symptoms; in the US, 70,000 students were PCR positive and three hospitalised. The median age of those who have succumbed is 82 years, while life expectancy is 81 years. Fewer than 400 UK residents under 60 without comorbidities have died. For this, we have restricted human interactions and stifled the economy.

A trip to Leicester Square finds closed theatres and empty chairs at empty tables. A 10-day Scottish coastal trek in August found little hotels and pubs trying to restart. Now, their owners and staff are crushed again.

There is something nastier, too. The goodwill of March, when 700,000 volunteered, is replaced by masks that hide smiles or hostility and by posters threatening £6,400 fines. I don’t condone anti-lockdown demonstrations, but I am more disturbed by baton-wielding police deployed against them. It is not the England I love, and I doubt the atmosphere helps anyone’s mental health.

A psychiatrist pal is admitting patients ‘‘tipped over the edge’’; Prof Dalgleish, my co-signatory, has two suicides among collaborators. Further lockdowns might be worth it, if a good vaccine was very close... That’s the bet. But even the furthest advanced vaccine trials extend into next spring and tell little about the longevity of immunity.

Whether vaccines will protect the “immune senescent” frail elderly will remain uncertain. And I have served on enough vaccine-development advisory boards to know the frequent taste of failure. The Government’s ‘‘suppression then vaccine’’ approach is a colossal punt.

Meantime, the damage accumulates. There is no good way out, but the declaration outlines a route that we believe is better, and more humane. So far as possible, life should return to normal for those at low risk and for anyone older who accepts the hazard, which will include me.

The virus will circulate among us, generating herd immunity. As we recover, it will run out of hosts and lose traction. Sweden’s approach resembles this, and the societal damage is far less than here, while the time curve of deaths per million differs little. Hospitals were not overwhelmed and hopefully ours won’t be either; if things get tight, the Nightingale sites can be used.

Effort should then be directed to protecting the vulnerable, principally the elderly. Support could include well-paid live-in staff, rotating at care homes, food deliveries to those alone and the option (not compulsion) of hotels for those living in multi-generational families.

All this is better use of money than recently: the NAO reports £26  billion of Bounce Back loans lost to fraud and failures – that’s £65,000 per care home resident.

Never in history have we handled a pandemic like this. Not the 1889-94 “Russian Flu” (maybe a coronavirus), which killed 135,000 from a population half of today’s; nor in 1918, when we defeated the German army as a far worse epidemic peaked. Future generations will look back aghast.

Some colleagues are cross I have spoken. To them, in conscience and surveying the wreckage, I can only quote Martin Luther: “Here I stand; I can do no other.” That’s why I signed.

Prof David Livermore is a microbiologist from the University of East Anglia. He writes in a personal capacity.

 

 

There is no virus.

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Well done Velma , out there doing your bit ... 

 

Here she is ...

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Well I never.

Coronavirus: WHO backflips on virus stance by condemning lockdowns

Lockdowns have been used to control the coronavirus around the world, plunging millions of lives into chaos. Now the WHO has changed its mind.

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/coronavirus-who-backflips-on-virus-stance-by-condemning-lockdowns/news-story/f2188f2aebff1b7b291b297731c3da74

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Well I never.

 

lol Here's what he said ...

 

Dr. David Nabarro from the WHO appealed to world leaders yesterday, telling them to stop “using lockdowns as your primary control method” of the coronavirus.

He also claimed that the only thing lockdowns achieved was poverty – with no mention of the potential lives saved.

“Lockdowns just have one consequence that you must never ever belittle, and that is making poor people an awful lot poorer,” he said.

Imagining large numbers of people are consciously conspiring together to enslave humanity does not hold water ... Very very few understand the scam .. the royals , rothschilds , Gates and a few others ... I don't believe Boris knows , or those in the WHO , they are just people blundering around mostly trying to do the right thing 

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