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Hi all.

I've been looking out for any more info on the graphene oxide angle . I learned about the Spanish findings but they did not say how they came by the sample, and a study like this needs repeating before findings can gain any traction with the public.

 

Meanwhile, someone over on Twitter gave a number string that when input into Google led to this page on some site you need to use Google Translate on. I think the website relates to all sorts of patents , so is this a proposal or a patent relating to a currently active technology ? Hoping someone here can have a look and shed some insight please. Thanks.

 

https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/es/detail.jsf?docId=CN317065497&tab=PCTDESCRIPTION

 

Title

Nano-Coronavirus Recombinant Vaccine with Graphene Oxide as Carrier

 

 

 

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Can only assume the official study group is separate from the general public experiment and that the small number are contractually silenced as i have never seen online a post from someone saying "i was the placebo group but now i am jabbed"
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there is no placebo group and has never been one. Its all window dressing for the politicians so they can sign it off as 'ticking all the boxes'
 
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Over a year ago, ICAN submitted a Citizen Petition to the FDA on June 17, 2020 requesting that all Phase II and III COVID-19 vaccine trials include a placebo control group, that the placebo should be a saline injection without anything added, and that the placebo control group be at least equivalent in size to the experimental group. 

 

ICAN’s petition and follow-up correspondence also requested that the FDA confirm the placebo control group would be maintained through the conclusion of the trial in order to maintain the integrity of the clinical trial and the validity of the safety data produced by the clinical trial.  Without a placebo control group, the clinical trial cannot determine the true rate of serious adverse events following vaccination making it nearly impossible to prove causation down the road. Getting rid of these control groups assures that the already rigged trials would be very unlikely to pick-up any safety issues.

 

In a June 18, 2021 response, the FDA stated: 

 

FDA agrees that it is important to continue to gather data about COVID-19 vaccines after they have been made available under EUA [emergency use authorization]. FDA does not consider the availability of a COVID-19 vaccine under EUA, in and of itself, as grounds for immediately stopping blinded follow-up in an ongoing clinical trial of a COVID-19 vaccine or as grounds for offering an authorized COVID-19 vaccine to all placebo recipients in such a clinical trial… 

 

The FDA also said

 

Subjects enrolled in an ongoing trial of a COVID-19 vaccine who received placebo and who want to receive an authorized COVID-19 vaccine cannot be made to wait beyond the time that the vaccine would otherwise be available to them under the conditions of EUA, prioritization recommendations, and available supply.

 

As we noted in our guidance, FDA’s expectation was that, following submission of an EUA request and issuance of an EUA, a sponsor would continue to collect placebo-controlled data in any ongoing trials for as long as feasible and would also work towards submission of a Biologics License Application (BLA) as soon as possible.

 

ICAN replied to the FDA sharing that it is pleased that the FDA agrees with the importance of a placebo control group within a clinical trial and with continuing the placebo control group even after issuance of an EUA. However, while ICAN understands that the FDA cannot force participants to not get an EUA product, what the FDA certainly could have done, and should have insisted upon, is that the companies granted EUA for their COVID-19 vaccines not actively encourage the placebo control group to get the vaccine.  That is precisely what happened as detailed below:
  • Pfizer sent a letter to placebo participants on December 14, 2020, 3 days after receiving EUA, saying: “Healthcare workers will be the first to receive the vaccine (if placebo group).  The vaccine will be offered to all other participants (non-healthcare workers) during Visit 4/Month 6…We hope to vaccinate all healthcare participants Wednesday and Thursday of this week.”  
     
  • Moderna sent a letter as early as November 23, 2020 stating: “Our intention is to ensure that all participants ultimately have the option of receiving the vaccine.”  On December 14, 2020, 4 days prior to receiving EUA, a Moderna follow-up letter stated: “If you would like to know whether you have received the mRNA-1273 vaccine or placebo, then you will be offered the opportunity to be unblinded…If you find out that you received the placebo, we plan to offer you the opportunity to receive the mRNA-1273 vaccine and to continue to be followed in the study.  We hope to start offering the vaccine within approximately 1-2 weeks after EUA is granted for mRNA-1273.”  
  • J&J reportedly sent an email to its trial participants in March 2021, days after receiving EUA, stating: “Once the upcoming protocol amendment is approved, we will be able to unblind all of our research subjects, and we will be offering the investigational vaccine to subjects who were randomly assigned to the placebo group.”  
The obvious purpose of these letters and other communications to clinical trial participants was to encourage their placebo control groups to get the vaccine.  Taking the FDA at its word that it preferred to maintain a placebo control group, it appears the foregoing reveals a bigger issue: the FDA is apparently the tail being wagged by the decisions of these dogged companies.
The worst part is that, despite this open defiance of the FDA’s wishes and what is best to protect the American public and assure the safety and efficacy of the clinical trials, as far as we can tell, the FDA has done nothing to punish the companies for this open rebellion against the FDA’s guidance. 
ICAN’s follow-up letter to the FDA demanded that it should, at the least, not reward these companies for defying the FDA by licensing any of these vaccines based on only 6 months’ worth of data.  The FDA should demand at least two years’ worth of data, especially because of the destruction of the placebo control groups, before even considering granting FDA approval.  If it doesn’t, it will truly reveal who is guarding the henhouse.

 

Any response from the FDA will be shared, however, it does seem that most of the damage is done now that many, if not all, of the placebo control group participants in the clinical trials have been vaccinated.
 

To share this legal update, please use this link: https://www.icandecide.org/ican_press/1692/

 

 

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33 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

Like I can figure this out & dont need to have a PHD, as the shills will say to you. Why cant doctors figure this out & speak out? Or are they compromised drones that never question anything & go along with any agenda, rather than simply RESIGN.

Because you may or may not have been through their institutionalised educational system whereby only what they teach is allowed to be preached. You'll never make it as an academic if you don't parrot the Rockefeller institutionalised educational bollocks because they'll provide zero funding. 

 

Unfortunately that means money and prestige is more important to these empty shells we call doctors etc. Fuckin shills mate. 👍

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13 minutes ago, Saved said:

They simply have to either be compromised or love their lifestyles too much to resign. Not many who spent years of studying from school to university will just walk away and work as a road sweeper for one tenth the wage.

 

There is a third reason. Some will be fully on board with the agenda because they agree with it. They know its evil intent and want to be a part of it because they are evil themselves.

 

Some of the most dangerous people become pillars of society in order to disguise their depravity. I'd imagine that this group is the smallest and those who love their lives are the largest. The latter group will be hoping that it just goes away some day soon whilst they keep their mouths shut and their heads down.

 

Good example, again a eugenicist & communist being given the platform to incite civil war.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Prometheus said:

Hey after 911 came 7/7. Do after the Capitol Riots, maybe a protest near Parliament that gets provoked by agents to riot in the halls of power and then comes their justification for control laws, protest databases and so on...

 

And you just know, these Bee and Macnamara types would be the first to fuck it up for everyone else. But hey, they where standing up and making a change, it was for freedom and unity and blah blah bullshit you've played into their hands you influential children.

 

That's why a Mask exemption pass and not a fucking scene.

 

@Bee is completely right, and i'm sure you know it deep down. Wearing an exemption is just as bad as wearing a mask. You might as well just wear the mask, as it won't harm you doing a 15 minute shop or whatever. 

 

Both the mask and exemption show you are playing along, thus justifying this psy-op.

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18 hours ago, Anti Facts Sir said:

BANG ON. Totally agree. In the same situation myself.

Personally I think the whole crypto thing is leading down the path that the global cult want us on, ie; digital currency. I feel that crypto is a training ground getting people ready to accept digital currency, which literally has no value, like all currency. They paste a 'freedom from government' label on it and everyone believes it. Its just numbers on a screen used to control you.

Although the idea of a 'freedom' type currency sounds great in theory, but, the thing I can never get passed is that we (the populace) dont own the internet and all digital currency is transacted that way including regular fiat for the most part. So, if the internet were taken down in a 'cyber attack' for any big length of time such a weeks or a few months, which has already been announced, then ALL currency you hold could be reset to zero to force people to use the new (Im assuming) world control currency.

And then, you have folks who think gold or silver will save them, but at the point where you need to use it there would most likely be people starving due to lack of funds to buy food. Who would trade gold or silver for food? The main argument being ' there will always be a black economy'- but will there? Its a heck of an assumption.

The only way out of the beast system is to not use any of it- food, money, shelter, energy.

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5 minutes ago, sambaking7 said:

 

@Bee is completely right, and i'm sure you know it deep down. Wearing an exemption is just as bad as wearing a mask. You might as well just wear the mask, as it won't harm you doing a 15 minute shop or whatever. 

 

Both the mask and exemption show you are playing along, thus justifying this psy-op.

 

Umm..... actually it will harm you. Wearing a mask for 20 minutes lowers your blood oxygen by 30%, which will literally lower you IQ over time. Plus, you are breathing back in your own bacteria and carbon dioxide which can lead to bacterial pneumonia. And, just as an aside, if you happen to buy a mask with nano particles in it or graphene then you may as well have the jab. So yeah, masks are harmful. Id rather wear an exemption than a mask, at least you can breathe with an exemption sticker or whatever, though in practice I wear neither.

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33 minutes ago, VictoriaZ said:

Hi all.

I've been looking out for any more info on the graphene oxide angle . I learned about the Spanish findings but they did not say how they came by the sample, and a study like this needs repeating before findings can gain any traction with the public.

 

Meanwhile, someone over on Twitter gave a number string that when input into Google led to this page on some site you need to use Google Translate on. I think the website relates to all sorts of patents , so is this a proposal or a patent relating to a currently active technology ? Hoping someone here can have a look and shed some insight please. Thanks.

 

https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/es/detail.jsf?docId=CN317065497&tab=PCTDESCRIPTION

 

Title

Nano-Coronavirus Recombinant Vaccine with Graphene Oxide as Carrier

 

 

 

English version

 

 https://patents.google.com/patent/CN112220919A/en

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9 hours ago, skitzorat said:

They were hollowed out ages ago no doubt, just as whats currently happening in the US Forces..

 

Here's a good inside into the state of the Aussie Forces; remember what they did in  Afghanistan..

 

'Filthy, Disgusting And Selfish'

New South Wales Police and The Australian Defence Force

https://waketfupweekly.substack.com/p/filthy-disgusting-and-selfish

 

I wonder what the ones that are now retired think about it all. Maybe they still have some patriotism left.

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1 hour ago, Morpheus said:

Mental, absolutely mental. I wonder if that happened here what the reaction would be? Probably why it's not happened yet. 

 I reckon here they would say no one could buy food until all are vaccinated. Push a little bit more our way. Plus very typical British thing to punish all together.

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2 hours ago, Morpheus said:

Mental, absolutely mental. I wonder if that happened here what the reaction would be? Probably why it's not happened yet. 

They burn.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

in hell

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12 hours ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

I haven't looked into it much, but one has to question whether the barrier to entry to the police force has been lowered to allow for these jobsworths that follow orders without asking questions.

 

Obviously for the higher up posititions you can put that down to masons and corruption, but for the low ranking cop, I would like to know what the hell is going on. lol

 

I have, over the years, spoken with 'old school' retired cops. And they are disgusted by all this new bullshit. All these new types are treasonous scum.

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12 hours ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Yeah, but then people would just argue that they're just using sex appeal if they use some thots to push the BS. People don't usually equate supermodels with brains.

 

If I'm going to be screwed either way, I'd rather look at a pretty face while it's happening.

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48 minutes ago, skitzorat said:

Some interesting articles here regarding the police brutality in Berlin. They're in German but the translator works

 

Police violence: "I thought they were going to kill him!"Bloody brutal mission: two lacerations on the head that had to be sewn

Bild

https://reitschuster.de/post/polizei-gewalt-ich-dachte-die-bringen-den-um/

 

Berlin: Protester dies after being arrested by the policeDocumented police violence, indexed like a porno

https://reitschuster.de/post/berlin-demonstrant-stirbt-nach-festnahme-durch-die-polizei/

 

10min combo of scenes from on the ground journalist

Brutal scenes: How the Berlin police attacked

https://rumble.com/vkma4p-brutale-szenen-wie-berliner-polizei-bei-der-verbotenen-corona-demo-zugriff.html

 

https://rumble.com/vkmqsp-mit-fusten-gegen-die-pressefreiheit-berlins-polizei-im-einsatz.....html

 

 

 

 

 

 

I see the Nazi doctrine is still alive and well and thriving in Germany.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Morpheus said:

Mental, absolutely mental. I wonder if that happened here what the reaction would be? Probably why it's not happened yet. 

 

Its interesting how different nations are responding. The French have been up and at it from the get go, true to form, whereas the Brits are slow burners - stiff upper lip and putting up with things. Being decent chaps for the sake of king and country and all that. We have a breaking point though, when enough is enough, and I feel that point is not very far off. Long history of uprisings when the feudal overlords pushed us too far.

 

 

 

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21 minutes ago, RobinJ said:

Personally I think the whole crypto thing is leading down the path that the global cult want us on, ie; digital currency. I feel that crypto is a training ground getting people ready to accept digital currency, which literally has no value, like all currency.

💯 Agreed! 

 

21 minutes ago, RobinJ said:

And then, you have folks who think gold or silver will save them, but at the point where you need to use it there would most likely be people starving due to lack of funds to buy food. Who would trade gold or silver for food?

Just wait a minute whilst I chip a 1 gram off this ingot and I'll have that loaf of bread. 

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11 minutes ago, Bombadil said:

 I reckon here they would say no one could buy food until all are vaccinated. Push a little bit more our way. Plus very typical British thing to punish all together.

Maybe, I just don't see the majority of the country ready to turn on their own if that was the case. Not yet anyway. 

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2 minutes ago, northern star said:

 

Its interesting how different nations are responding. The French have been up and at it from the get go, true to form, whereas the Brits are slow burners - stiff upper lip and putting up with things. We have a breaking point though, when enough is enough, and I feel that point is not very far off. Long history of uprisings when the feudal overlords pushed us too far.

 

 

 

Absolutely mate, I'm still wondering what the line is but I think I still maintain that it's going to be dead children which is a sickening and heartbreaking thought being a parent myself. 

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Hold up. I do not walk around with an exemption card around my neck. You seriously thought that its what I done and yet I'm taking shit about standing for rights, fighting for freedom and self-respect and you nobs thought I walk around with a fucking exemption card hanging round my neck.

 

The card stays in my wallet and if I was asked about my mask and if saying Im exempt want enough, then I'd flash the card. It simply served as a check mate should any rule-bag give me trouble.

 

Else, I'd just walk around as normal and think nothing of it, enjoying the impotent looks of disapproval from the subjugated turds skulking round, taking useless breaths through their dirty mouth bags of shame.

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It's true, we've become a nation of softies, BUT, I believe the fighting spirit is still in there somewhere and will be brought to the fore once we start losing all the things we've become accustomed to, ... our phones, our tv's, our houses, our money, our KIDS, .........................

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1 minute ago, webtrekker said:

It's true, we've become a nation of softies, BUT, I believe the fighting spirit is still in there somewhere and will be brought to the fore once we start losing all the things we've become accustomed to, ... our phones, our tv's, our houses, our money, our KIDS, .........................

You never let go of that primal instinct. 

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